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TO ALL…..Yahweh or Yahovah, “is”, Our rightiousnes, and Jesus’ also. , are you people just now figuring that out? ” (ONE), God in “all” and through “all”. GOD THE FATHER WAS “IN”, Jesus reconcilling the world unto “himself”. He was in Jesus by the “Christos” or anointing of the Holy Spirit, that Jesus recieved after he was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan river.
Satan’s job is to seperate Jesus from his human brothers and sisters, who side are you people on? Thats the question. Do you truly believe Jesus when he said ” Father this is eternal life , that they might come to know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true God, “AND” CHRIST (the “anointed “one) who you have sent”.
Peace and love to you all and yours………..gene
Mike: They are not only two distinct persons, as you pointed out. They are also two distinct gods.
Berean: Show me the apostles of Christ speaking this way, please.
John 1:18… No one has ever seen God; the only begotten god, who is close relationship with the Father, he has explained Him.
Is that good enough for you to see that there is one god whom no one has ever seen… and also this OTHER begotten god who came to explain the god no one had ever seen?
Or would you like to see more?
LU: Mike,
The God that I worship as the creator is Yahweh who is both the Father and the Son together, two distinct persons who created the world in unity. So, your answer is “NO,” the Father and the Son together as the creator do not have a son named Jesus, the Son who created with the Father as Yahweh, is Jesus.
I realize that this has got to be incredibly tough for you, but we need the utmost clarification before we decide to join your religion.
John 3:16… For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son…
Just to be clear, the God who so loved the world is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
Hebrews 1:1-2… Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…
Just to be clear, the God who spoke to Jews’ ancestors through prophets and to the Jews through Jesus is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
John 20:17… Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Just to be clear, the God that Jesus explicitly said was both our God and his God is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance for your direct and honest answers. They will help us make our decision about whether your doctrine aligns with the Bible.
LU: Let US make man… The “US” do not have a son named Jesus. Jesus is part of the “US.”
Agreed on both counts. Jesus is definitely one of the gods who was part of the “US” in that verse. And no, God and His heavenly court do not have a son named Jesus.
Mike: Kathi, I also just noticed something in Rev 3:12 that might be huge. Notice that Jesus is going to write on them (1) the name of his God, (2) the name of the city of his God, ie: New Jerusalem, and (3) his own new name.
What the freak? Is that Jesus telling us point blank that “Yahweh Our Righteousness” IS the name of New Jerusalem, Jesus, and Jesus’ own God Yahweh?
LU: I have wondered that same thing. Is this you finally admitting that Jesus will be named “Yahweh our Righteousness?”
Yes, I think it is. What would be the odds, considering the known name of the Father and the combination of the verse about Jesus and the verse about New Jerusalem? I suppose that it could refer to writing 3 completely different names on them, but in light of those other verses, I think that it clearly refers to the one name. How about you?
Hi Mike,
You said:
Do you believe that the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself out to be the Most High God that no man has ever seen? As if Jesus was literally trying to convince people that he was the very God who dwells in unapproachable light – whom no man can see and live?
It seems to me that the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself out to be one who was “above” the law, one who can do whatever God can do and deserves the same honor. If they did not honor Jesus with the same honor as God, they were not really honoring God. They saw Jesus as one who thought He, like God, was above the law, particularly of the law of the Sabbath in that context.
Mike,
You said:
I think that it clearly refers to the one name. How about you?
I don’t think that is is clear to be only one name “Yahweh, our Righteousness.”
I do believe that the Father is righteous, however it is the Son that is “our” righteousness and hence called “Yahweh, our righteousness.”
Also, regarding Jerusalem being called “Yahweh, our righteousness.” I think it is possible that the verse in Jeremiah 33:16 should be read as Jerusalem we be called by whom is named Yahweh our Righteousness. I say that because the Hebrew words, Strong’s #2088 and #7121 are in the masculine form, not feminine form which it would be if the name “Yahweh our Righteousness” were to be Jerusalem’s name, I’m guessing since Jerusalem is a feminine name. I could be wrong but that caught my eye as strange. I compared it to Zechariah 8:3 and the same Strong’s word #7121 is in the feminine form this time and not the masculine form as in Jeremiah 33:16. Both verses are talking about Jerusalem and being called.
I know that was not that easy to follow. Let me know if I need to clarify further.
LU……JESUS said, (not me)…..“why call “ME” good, there is “none” good , except ONE , (God)” Jesus sure did not think he was good, now did he? , but the true question is as usal, do you “TRULY” believe Jesus and what he actually says? And again he also said……“the son of man can do “nothing” of himself”. SO TRYING TO SWITCH or make equal, God the Father with Jesus, is not the way Jesus thinks or sees it, now is it?
You must really, Start to truly “BELIEVE” what Jesus “himself”, “actually said”, instead of the Doctrine of the trinity, You recieved from your all those false churches out there, or you will be rejected as they are also? Jesus by the very breath of his own mouth will destory that false teaching at his return, as shown in 2ths2.
Peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Gene,
You said to LU:
LU……JESUS said, (not me)…..“why call “ME” good, there is “none” good , except ONE , (God)” Jesus sure did not think he was good, now did he?
You are wrong.
Let’s see what Jesus said elsewhere.
John 10:14 I am the GOOD shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.SO YOU BELIEVE . What Jesus said in one place, he was lying about himself in another place .
Let me tell a true story ok? I KNOW A MAN OUNCE WHO WAS A EXCELLENT mechanic, in fact he did all my fleet work of seventeen vehicles in his shop. If anyone ask me if he was a “good” mechanic , I would say yes. But was he a “Good person “, NO HE WAS NOT, he is setting in prisom on death row, right now , has been for 40 years now, , for killing, his step mon and step dad, as well as his second wife and his third wife , with Paraquat posion, SHW WAS a wounderfull lady and was my assistent couch on a school little leage baseball team. Forty years ago, now tell do you think he was a good “PERSON”, because he was a good mechanic.
Question still remains, when are you people going to “truly”believe “everything” Jesus said? If you did your view Jesus would be, completely different then you now have. You would come to see him more like A REAL “HUMAN” BEING , WHO UNDERSTOOD HOW TO HAVE A RIGHT RELATIONSHIP WITH , HIS GOD AND OUR GOD, HIS FATHER AND OUR FATHER.
Trust me when i tell you this, Satan and his ministers do not want you to identify with Jesus in any personal “human”way. He wants you to move Jesus away from you, being able to identify with Jesus as a real human being in anyway? That was his plan when he, AND HIS MINISTERS, started the whole iniquity taching of the “TRINITY DOCTRINE” from the very beginning of the churches, Jesus is the “ONLY” HUMAN BEING SITTING IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND BEING DESPLAYED AS A GOD, THAT EVER EXISTED. 2ths2.
IT’S ALL THERE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EYES TO SEE.
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Hi Gene,
Where in the story does Jesus deny that He is good? If you believe that Jesus is not good, what does He lack in your opinion?
Mike you asked:
John 3:16… For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son…
Just to be clear, the God who so loved the world is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
Why would you say that?
Just to be clear, the God who spoke to Jews’ ancestors through prophets and to the Jews through Jesus is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
And what makes you say that?
Just to be clear, the God that Jesus explicitly said was both our God and his God is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
And why would you say that?
Mike,
You said:
Yahweh is that Most High God of gods. Jesus is one of the other gods of whom Yahweh is God.
Yahweh is also the Lord of lords, not just God of gods. Jesus is the Lord of lords.
LU……Jesus “LACKED” nothing, he was just being honest, “there is “none” good but “ONE”, God the Father “alone.” . Why would Jesus say to her, “why” callest “ME” good”, if he wasen’t talking about himself? Question still remains, do you “truly” believe him”.? Or the False Jesus the false churches has created for you?
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Hi Gene,
Regarding my question here: “Where in the story does Jesus deny that He is good? If you believe that Jesus is not good, what does He lack in your opinion?”
You said:
Jesus “LACKED” nothing, he was just being honest, “there is “none” good but “ONE”, God the Father “alone.” . Why would Jesus say to her, “why” callest “ME” good”, if he wasen’t talking about himself?
I do believe you missed the message. A young rich guy came to Jesus, bowing before him and calling Jesus “good.” Jesus questions that because according to the commandments, the rich guy missed the number one commandment and thus the number two and number three commandment. The rich guy put his possessions first, not God. He made graven images out of riches, instead of worshiping God. He put himself out there as one who followed the commandments but did not put God first in his life and thus took the name of God in vain.
Jesus mentioned the last six commandments of which the young rich guy said that he had followed. But then, Jesus tested the guy about the first three commandments by asking him if he really wants to completely follow the commandments, he needs to get rid of what he has placed in front of God, i.e. his possessions. Sadly, the rich guy couldn’t sell his possessions.
So, since Jesus teaches to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind…but the rich guy doesn’t follow that example since we see that he actually loves his riches more, why would he think the teacher that teaches to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, is “good?” Jesus pointed out the truth of the guy’s heart. Basically, the rich guy was calling Jesus “good” with his lips and not with his heart and actions. That is why Jesus asked why the rich guy was calling Him “good.” This is not about Jesus claiming that He, Himself is not good, Gene. The rich guy was flattering Jesus and Jesus exposed the lie of flattery through showing him that he was worshiping possessions more than following Jesus’ teachings about God being first in our lives, not possessions, not people, not comfort, not food, not power, etc.
Jesus is making a point of what the guy is lacking. Which is to put God as first place, not second to his riches. Jesus puts God as first place by doing everything He sees the Father doing and saying everything the Father has for Him to say.
If we are to follow Jesus’ example, Gene, we would call Jesus “good” and mean it by our actions of putting God on the highest throne. For Jesus, the Father is on the throne. For us, the Father and the Son are on that throne. As Jesus follows the Father, we follow Jesus.
Rev 3:21
The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.
The first throne is the throne of David which we can sit on with the Messiah. The Father’s throne is the throne of the Most High God, the Father with the Son. IF we look up to see the throne of God, we will see both the Father AND the Son.
If we follow a list of what to do but do not follow the person of Christ to eternal life, we are not following the first few commandments.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. If someone does not follow Him to the point of surrendering all things in this life and even our very life, then they are not worthy of entering the kingdom of God.
John 24
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25“He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal. 26“If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.
Blessings, LU
LU…….what a spin you put on Jesus words, it never ceases to amaze me how people cantske a simple scripture and read so much into it that has apsolute ““NOTHING”to do with what was written. Talke about a classic”smoke and mirrors” demistration , you just won the reward. Problem people like Berean buy into it sad to say.
Jesus meant “exactly” What he said and he was showing there is none good but God “himself” . Or haven’t you ever read this,
ROM 3:10…….“AS IT IS WRITTEN”, there is “NONE” righteous”, “NO, “NOT ONE”. (12) They are “all” gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is “NONE” that does “GOOD”, no “NOT ONE”.
Just as Jesus said “why call me good there is “NONE” GOOD”, EXCEPT “ONE” that’s “GOD” ONLY.
Peace and love to you and yours LU………gene
Hi Gene,
You: LU……Jesus “LACKED” nothing, he was just being honest,
“there is “none” good but “ONE”, God the Father “alone.”
ME: SO ACCORDING TO YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOOD?
YES OR NO PLEASE?
. Why would Jesus say to her, “why” callest “ME” good”,
if he wasen’t talking about himself?
THAT’S RIGHT Gene:
JESUS DEFINITELY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, BUT NOT JUST FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, OR MORE ACCURATELY, FROM YOUR CORRUPTED PERSPECTIVE.
YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LEAST SITUATION SO LONG YOU HUMILIATE JESUS!
YOU WILL NEVER SEE JESUS’ FACE, THE SON OF MAN! NEVER MIND SEE THE FACE OF THE FATHER EMBODIED IN
JESUS CHRIST! ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD.
ANSWER, Gene SINCE YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A GENIOUS???
WHY DID JESUS SAY SO?
THE FATHER IS DEFINITELY ONLY GOOD! NO?
BUT JESUS WAS BOTH GOOD AND EVIL FOR THE SAKE OF THE HUMAN RACE, FOR THE SAKE OF
GOD’S KINGDOM AS CHILDREN OF GOD IN CHRIST, Well clear in
Hebrews 2:13…….Behold I and my children, whom God hath given me.
NOW LET’S READ MORE SCRIPTURE!
2Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us,
who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
JESUS IN THE ABOVE MADE US RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, WHILE GOD MADE
JESUS TO BE SIN FOR US!
BUT NOT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOOD!
IN FACT, JESUS WAS TOO GOOD, AS THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO FULFILL JUSTIFICATION BY HIMSELF!
More scripture:
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,
being made a curse for us:…..
OK Gene?
JESUS IS GOOD AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS,
JESUS IS THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE Hebrews 1:3, NOT ONLY THAT BUT
ONLY HE AS THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES,
MADE HIMSELF A CURSE FOR US!
More scripture:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God,
thought it NOT ROBBERY to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation,
DID YOU GET THAT Gene?
JESUS MADE HIMSELF of no reputation!
HE MADE HIMSELF NO GOOD!
FOR OUR SAKE! READ:
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
JESUS WAS TOO GOOD, TOO GENEROUS!
NOW ALL THE ABOVE Mr. Gene, OCCURRED BEFORE THE WORLD WAS? READ:
John 17: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which
I had with thee before the world was.
JESUS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
WAS IN ONE GLORY WITH GOD THE FATHER,
WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD, AND
IN THE ONLY IMAGE OF GOD! MORE PRECISE
THE ONLY PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF GOD! Then what?
Read Gene AGAIN the next part of Philippians 2:7
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
THAT MEANS Gene, THAT JESUS ON HIS BIRTH WAS
BOTH GOD AND A SERVANT,
BOTH THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN,
BOTH ALL THE GOOD, THE HEAVENLY, AND ALL THE EVIL, THE EARTHLY!
THE ENTIRE CREATION, ALL IN HIM,
TO RECONCILE ALL TO THE FATHER IN HIS EMBODIMENT! Well asserted in
1Colossians 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say,
whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The above Gene, was the cake, now here is the icing:
John17:10 And all mine are thine, and
thine are mine;
OK Gene ALL THE FATHER’S THINGS BELONG TO JESUS Mr. GENIOUS!
SO JESUS IS ALSO GOOD AS THE FATHER IS!
ASSERTED HEREUNDER! AND DOWN TO YOUR GUTS!
and I AM glorified in them.
BOTH THE GOOD AND THE EVIL!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
I’m thankful for your question about the “good Master” verse. I dug into the Greek and what I wrote was as a result of seeking out the matter. Maybe you can be real specific with what I said that you claim as “spin.” I would be happy to explain it further to you.
Btw, please answer this…who is on the Father’s throne with the Father now?
Rev 3:21
The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.
God bless, LU
Why do you call me good? It was not Jesus denying his divinity. Instead, he invited the young man to think about it. It’s like Jesus saying, “Do you really know what you’re saying when you call me good?”
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