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[Marlin1]

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no one knows that it was an apple but an fruit, and it was by thier action of desobedience ,to the order that God give them “”” do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil “”” AND THE ACTION OF EATHING AD BROKEN THAT COMMAND OF GOD AND PROVEN THEIR DISOBEDIENCE, AND NOW THEY WERE SINNERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DISOBEY , THAT IT NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.

Brother Pierre,

Now Listen close,  If you believe the disobedience of eating a piece of fruit (apple, orange, esc), could transfer over to us, then “YOU MAKE GOD A LIAR”.

Let every man be a liar and my Word be true.
THE SINS of THE FATHER DO NOT TRANSFER to the SON

Now if you were to put down your doctrine and just think about it for a minute.  What sin could transfer over, without BREAKING the WORD, there is only one and it did.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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Could you please tell me which denomination teaches this doctrine? thankyou.

Sister Journey,

You tell me which denomination teaches the truth and is not a daughter to her mother, (the great whore) and I will tell you which one it is.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 15 2012,02:16)

Quote no one knows that it was an apple but an fruit, and it was by thier action of desobedience ,to the order that God give them “”” do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil “”” AND THE ACTION OF EATHING AD BROKEN THAT COMMAND OF GOD AND PROVEN THEIR DISOBEDIENCE, AND NOW THEY WERE SINNERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DISOBEY , THAT IT NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS. Brother Pierre, Now Listen close,  If you believe the disobedience of eating a piece of fruit (apple, orange, esc), could transfer over to us, then “YOU MAKE GOD A LIAR”. Let every man be a liar and my Word be true. THE SINS of THE FATHER DO NOT TRANSFER to the SON Now if you were to put down your doctrine and just think about it for a minute.  What sin could transfer over, without BREAKING the WORD, there is only one and it did. God Bless bro. Marlin

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THE SINS of THE FATHER DO NOT TRANSFER to the SON

WERE IS THIS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES

PLEASE QUOTE THE CHAP;AND VERSE .

[Marlin1]

Brother Pierre,

Eze 18:20

You know this scripture and one point to make is no where does it say “EXCEPT Adam and Eve's sin”
Sin did come over to us, but NOT the WAY MOST have LEARNED from MANS WISDOM.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 15 2012,03:37)

Brother Pierre, Eze 18:20 You know this scripture and one point to make is no where does it say “EXCEPT Adam and Eve's sin” Sin did come over to us, but NOT the WAY MOST have LEARNED from MANS WISDOM. God Bless bro. Marlin

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Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:
Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife.
Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin
and takes no usury or excessive interest.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live.
Eze 18:18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

read this scriptures very slow and carefully analyzed them and ask your self WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS ATTACHE TO WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS,please tell me

[journey42]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 15 2012,07:24)

Quote Could you please tell me which denomination teaches this doctrine? thankyou. Sister Journey, You tell me which denomination teaches the truth and is not a daughter to her mother, (the great whore) and I will tell you which one it is. God Bless bro. Marlin

It's ok Marlin,

I found information, and I know now know who's doctrine you are following, and the man responsible for introducing this to the Christian world. I put on a new post in truth and tradition. Please read it with an earnest heart. More importantly, read the read the scriptures, for they are more powerful than anything I could ever say.

[Marlin1]

Brother Pierre,

If you have a point to make, then go ahead and make it.

bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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I found information,  and I know now know who's doctrine you are following, and the man responsible for introducing this to the Christian world.  I put on a new post in truth and tradition.  Please read it with an earnest heart.  More importantly, read the read the scriptures, for they are more powerful than anything I could ever say.

Sister Journey,

I have never heard of this Dr. Murry before, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you where it came from, you are closed minded to the truth.  You have put up your denominational WALLS.  

No matter what you think, the serpent in Genesis is not satan.  From what I could find about your Dr. Murry, he believed it was satan, IF that be the case, I don't believe that.  Before the curse the serpent was like unto a man, except all animal (beast God called him), after the curse he was like unto a snake.

You also put forth his beliefs on the mark of the beast.  The right hand or the head, I tell you millions and millions have already received the mark.  The right hand of fellowship with a LIE or believing a LIE and being damned by it, that is the Mark.

I am glad that you didn't try to give me a denomination that is TRUE to the WORD, For there is NONE.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 15 2012,08:46)

Brother Pierre, If you have a point to make, then go ahead and make it. bro. Marlin

m1

according to those scriptures I showed you GOD IS NOT AN LIAR BUT YOU ARE ,BIG DIFFERENCE

[Marlin1]

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according to those scriptures I showed you GOD IS NOT AN LIAR BUT YOU ARE ,BIG DIFFERENCE

Brother Pierre,

Thanks for the input,  I had a feeling that you thought, God didn't mean what He had said in v20.
I don't see how you come up with that, but it is ok.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[terraricca]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 16 2012,02:02)

Quote according to those scriptures I showed you GOD IS NOT AN LIAR BUT YOU ARE ,BIG DIFFERENCE Brother Pierre, Thanks for the input,  I had a feeling that you thought, God didn't mean what He had said in v20. I don't see how you come up with that, but it is ok. God Bless bro. Marlin

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read what it says ;;
Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:
Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife.
Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin
and takes no usury or excessive interest.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live.

what are the condition for the son not to bare the sins of his father ??

[Richtuner]

It seems that no one can see the difference between a fathers sins that he commits and sins that can be passed down.

In these scriptures you can see that God does visit the iniquity of the father upon his children. Why?
Notice “of them that hate me”. It is a sin to hate God and teach or pass down your beliefs, (or doubt) to your children, because they will hate God just like you did. and if they do they will get them same results as your father.

Sure if my father commits murder I will not have to go to jail or answer to God for his sins.

If you can see this then it will be easer to understand that when Adam sinned, death was passed down to us all even though we were not there, not did we sin like Adam did.

Just the same what Jesus did is passed down to us through faith being born again, (the new birth).

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Deu_5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

[journey42]

Quote (Richtuner @ Dec. 16 2012,16:21)

It seems that no one can see the difference between a fathers sins that he commits and sins that can be passed down. In these scriptures you can see that God does visit the iniquity of the father upon his children. Why? Notice “of them that hate me”. It is a sin to hate God and teach or pass down your beliefs, (or doubt) to your children, because they will hate God just like you did. and if they do they will get them same results as your father. Sure if my father commits murder I will not have to go to jail or answer to God for his sins. If you can see this then it will be easer to understand that when Adam sinned, death was passed down to us all even though we were not there, not did we sin like Adam did. Just the same what Jesus did is passed down to us through faith being born again, (the new birth). Exo_20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Deu_5:9  Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

Richtuner

Well explained. I hold this view too.

[Marlin1]

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Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked. Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin and takes no usury or excessive interest. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. what are the condition for the son  not to bare the sins of his father

Brother Pierre,

So according to the scriptures you have showed, in order for the son to have the fathers sin, the son must commit them himself.  And that is exactly what v20 says,  The sins of the father do not transfer to the son.

If the son sins copy the fathers, they are now the sons own sin, because he has commited them and they are not chargeable to the son, until he commits them.

Do you see it different?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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Exo_20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Deu_5:9  Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

Brother Rich,

This in no way changes Eze 18,  If you commit the sin, then it is chargeable to you, if you don't then it is not chargeable to you.  You may be more likely to hate if you are raised by a hating father, but even that in no way makes you born a hater or liar.  Yet scripture says you are born a liar.

Our Flesh is fallen and there is no good thing in it.  It has to perish, be changed, for it is corrupted.  If it was just a spiritual thing as you think, then once Jesus took over your life, your flesh would be just fine, (perfect again, just like Adam's was).

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,09:23)

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 16 2012,02:02) Quote according to those scriptures I showed you GOD IS NOT AN LIAR BUT YOU ARE ,BIG DIFFERENCE Brother Pierre, Thanks for the input,  I had a feeling that you thought, God didn't mean what He had said in v20. I don't see how you come up with that, but it is ok. God Bless bro. Marlin m1 read what it says ;; Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked. Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin and takes no usury or excessive interest. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. what are the condition for the son  not to bare the sins of his father ??

He does not carry stones in his pockets.

[journey42]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 17 2012,08:54)

Quote Exo_20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Deu_5:9  Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me Brother Rich, This in no way changes Eze 18,  If you commit the sin, then it is chargeable to you, if you don't then it is not chargeable to you.  You may be more likely to hate if you are raised by a hating father, but even that in no way makes you born a hater or liar.  Yet scripture says you are born a liar. Our Flesh is fallen and there is no good thing in it.  It has to perish, be changed, for it is corrupted.  If it was just a spiritual thing as you think, then once Jesus took over your life, your flesh would be just fine, (perfect again, just like Adam's was). God Bless bro. Marlin

Marlin

Did you even hear what Richtuner stated?

If you are a God hater, then you will teach your children to hate God, and they will teach their children to hate God and they will teach their children to hate God, so this goes on to the 3rd and 4th generation. No believers in this family. No light for them.

And the 10 commandments were given to the Israelites to obey. That law was for them, and we are not under that old law, but the law of grace, and you can apply it to today as well. Generations of non believers. Passing down no hope to their children. Not teaching their children to love the Lord, and obey the things written in the New testament. So no light or spiritual blessings for these generations.
…But if your father committed murder, you can not be punished for his sin, as every man is responsible for his own actions.

You could not discern what Rich was saying, but I heard him straight away, because this subject baffled me a long time ago, and the answer came to me then, exactly like Rich explained.

[terraricca]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 17 2012,03:26)

Quote Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked. Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin and takes no usury or excessive interest. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. what are the condition for the son  not to bare the sins of his father Brother Pierre, So according to the scriptures you have showed, in order for the son to have the fathers sin, the son must commit them himself.  And that is exactly what v20 says,  The sins of the father do not transfer to the son. If the son sins copy the fathers, they are now the sons own sin, because he has commited them and they are not chargeable to the son, until he commits them. Do you see it different? God Bless bro. Marlin

m1

yes that is true ,but in the case of Adam there was no sons it was only Adam and Eve so they have to be fully responsible for their actions right and if they have kids now the kids pay for what their parents did before they came to be ;

so where is the injustice of God Ezek 18 does not apply to this .

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,09:23) Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 16 2012,02:02) Quote according to those scriptures I showed you GOD IS NOT AN LIAR BUT YOU ARE ,BIG DIFFERENCE Brother Pierre, Thanks for the input,  I had a feeling that you thought, God didn't mean what He had said in v20. I don't see how you come up with that, but it is ok. God Bless bro. Marlin m1 read what it says ;; Eze 18:14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: Eze 18:15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel. He does not defile his neighbor’s wife. Eze 18:16 He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked. Eze 18:17 He withholds his hand from sin and takes no usury or excessive interest. He keeps my laws and follows my decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. what are the condition for the son  not to bare the sins of his father ?? He does not carry stones in his pockets.

Like the ones you now carring

[Marlin1]

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yes that is true ,but in the case of Adam there was no sons it was only Adam and Eve so they have to be fully responsible for their actions right and if they have kids now the kids pay for what their parents did before they came to be ; so where is the injustice of God Ezek 18 does not apply to this .

Brother Pierre,

That is strictly your opinion, unless you can produce scripture to that effect.
You are grabbing at straws that are not there.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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