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December 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm#324226

journey42

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Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 16 2012,06:13)

Don't forget that people will always attack what they don't understand and are unwilling to know.

I am not one who cannot learn something about God's word, but if I don't believe in what someone believes, I don't get offended and believe that I can justify myself by attacking them.

I get tired of people who attack others over the Word having never known that person or what they are about.

I have been saved for 39 years and have studied for all those years making sure I know what I am talking about. One time in 2000 I took about 5 and 1/2 months spending about 8 hours a day just listening to Alexander Scorby read the New Testament on cassette tapes so I can let the Spirit talk to me without any teachers, opinions, or anyones ideas.

I'm far from perfect or having all understanding, but what I know I can say I have a “full assurance of understanding and faith” according to the words of Paul.

If you don't know what I am talking about, try to understand before attacking what you don't know. You are showing your true nature when you do this.

Richtuner,

Amen to this too.

December 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm#324240

journey42

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2012,02:04)

Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 16 2012,06:13)

Don't forget that people will always attack what they don't understand and are unwilling to know.

I am not one who cannot learn something about God's word, but if I don't believe in what someone believes, I don't get offended and believe that I can justify myself by attacking them.

I get tired of people who attack others over the Word having never known that person or what they are about.

I'm far from perfect or having all understanding, but what I know I can say I have a “full assurance of understanding and faith” according to the words of Paul.

If you don't know what I am talking about, try to understand before attacking what you don't know. You are showing your true nature when you do this.

Richtuner,

Amen to this too.

Hi Richtuner

Please let me explain something.
I went back to page one of this post, only to find out more about what Marlin has been preaching, and I came across you're conversations, and found that you were being attacked for every word and scripture you gave, and I saw that you answered well with wisdom and understanding, and with a meek spirit.

I would just like to say that I am truly sorry for what I said to you about being clear, for I thought that I was being attacked also, as this happens to me, being attacked alot for what I say, or quote, and if I had read your posts earlier, I would of known that you are very humble man. So again, I am deeply sorry and ashamed, and I hope you stay on here because your input is valuable and I wish there were more like you here.

Thank you for being sincere in your service to God,
and for having your speech being seasoned with salt.
God bless.

December 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm#324243

Richtuner

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Thank you journey42,
I made a thread in “View Points” wanting others to give their alliance or affiliation so we can better understand how to communicate on the posts, but not very many was willing to put up what they were.
If your a Baptist then we pretty much know what you believe in.
I have found out there is some J.W.'s and Muslims among others here that answer some post.

I can agree to disagree with anyone on any subject without condemning them, but some here are here to play the office of a judge and pass judgment upon them with harsh words.

God will be the judge of us all. If I am wrong, then let God show me, as He knows I am open to His Word of truth, not the scorn of others who don't see beyond their own thoughts.

Same to all, let God show you, but when scriptures are way too plain, then at least look at them.

People are continent having someone teach something that has the bible warning of those who have tickling ears, and will adhere to those things and will show blindness to scriptures that contradict what they believe in.

I have heard, (and know) of people who have been saved for years and still are a baby in Christ and need the milk of the Word not the meat.

Paul said one time that he could not say some thing because they could not hear or bear it. It would go beyond their understanding.

Jesus said the same thing.
The meat of the Word takes some foundation that the milk of the Word has built.
When you think that we will for eternity be learning, how can we think that it will not take effort on our part to learn here in this life where we have to fight with the flesh and the UN-renewed mind.

I would say there are things that God cannot show us because we could not wrap our minds around or our spirits could not get now.

It's all about faith. “By faith we understand……”. Faith comes by hearing God's Word.

We have faith in our school teachers in what they say, which brings natural knowledge, how about God's Word which brings Spiritual knowledge.

If all you are going on is natural knowledge that you can wrap your minds around and not by faith, which is God's word which is always discerned by the spirit then you will have confusion in you beliefs not being able to include any scriptures that the whole of the bible contains.

I think the milk of the Word can be seen by anybody, but it's the meat that is not available to those who are not spiritual.

December 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm#324246

Wakeup

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 12 2012,10:51)

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Rev 12:9 And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, …CALLED THE DEVIL and SATAN., which decieveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him.

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In Revelations serpent seems to be use as meaning the same as satan.

Why then?

Sister Journey,

1) Why did the eating of fruit, require a blood sacrifice?

2) Please explain the seed of the serpent?
The seed of the woman, was the flesh seed (Jesus) and the seed of the serpent was the same.

Then I will address your question.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

Marlin1.

Adam and Eve did not sin because of the eating of the fruit.
They sinned because they have broken the simple law for a simple pair of humans.

They have believed the serpent rather than God,making God a liar.

The result of believing the serpent;God has given them over into satans care.

And the result is the first murder committed,when Cain slew Abel.(because of jealousy)And jealousy has followed mankind ever since, and murder, and wars,and greed,and law breakers.These are the things we have inherited.

And from then on man has been lead by satan; and the result of that is what we have inherited during the ages.
Wars,and all sorts of problems happening to mankind up to now.

For this reason God created israel his people;so that he could send his prophets to teach them about God.
As we know;they rejected the prophets and failed.

So God sends his own son,to reconnect them with God,but he was refused by them and killed.

So God sends the apostles and Paul,to teach the gentiles;to teach them about God,and they accepted. But still not in truth, but in hypocrisy,untill today.
Todays preaching is just for a witness;not knowledge.

But the time will come that the truth will be taught by the saints,and Christ as king,then knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth.

Gods spiritual woman is Zion,holy Jerusalem,peace and God fearing.

Satans spiritual woman is babylon the great;this world system of things,free from Gods laws.(we do it our way).

wakeup.

December 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm#324248

Marlin1

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I've already explained this. Rev chapter 12. (Zion, The WOMAN) , and the Serpent is no other than SATAN. Whoever is of Babylon, Satan's kingdom, is the seed of the serpent, and whoever is of Zion, God's kingdom is the seed of The Woman.

You know the parable of the sower. The sower is sowing seed (truth) in a field (the world) and in the night the enemy comes and sows another seed (weeds, which are lies, false doctrines)
You are the seed, spiritually speaking. But who sowed you? What did you feed on? Truth or lies? Which foundation did you build on?
And the weeds and the wheat have to grow together, and when harvest comes they must be separated. Then all will know who's seed we are from.

My Dear Sister Journey,

You have tried to use Rev 12 for a spiritual meaning only and the truth is it is speaking real events that took place HERE on EARTH.
1) The meaning of the Woman here is God's true church (Israel), not spiritual Israel.
2) The SUN here is God over His church.
3) The Moon here is the reflection of the SUN, The Bride of Christ.
4) The woman gave birth to a human SON, Jesus.
5) The Red Dragon has always been Rome.
6) Who tried to kill the child, Rome. Herod.
The symbols in Revelations almost always point to real events. So if you could see, you would see the seed of the woman in Genesis pointed to a real person (Jesus). Just like the seed of the serpent point to a real person.

You have missed the real meaning the the story of the sowers. You have tried to make it line up with your doctrine, when it says in black and white that there were TWO different SEEDS. It had nothing to do with, which one a person fed.
The seed of God could only come up as Wheat, period.
The seed of satan could only come up as a Weed, period.

Now, to put this into us, we are a MIXED SEED, Our blood is tainted. We are BORN SINNERS, by our very nature. Not the nature of Adam, but OUR very nature, because of what they did.

There is only one sin that can transfer from father to son, according the God's Word. And that is a child of wrongful means. That is a sin against ones own body.

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1) Why did the eating of fruit, require a blood sacrifice?
Brother, please make yourself more clearer here

How many times have you read the Genesis story and not understood. Did God accept the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made? NO He did not.
God killed an animal and made them skins to wear. Blood Sacrifice was required from the beginning. WHY?

Did God accept Cains sacrifice of his 1st fruits. NO He did not.
By revelation Able knew it required a blood sacrifice.

It so amazes me that you can see a curse in verse 14 and 17, but not curse in 16. The word curse is not used in v16, so you are blind to the fact.

What is a curse?
define – A solemn utterance to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.

If God would have left the word curse out of v17, it still would have been a curse.
So in v16, I will greatly multiply Is a curse on women. (weather you can see it or not)

In 4:3-4, God made the 1st sacrifice, and it was a blood sacrifice. 3:21

Where does it say that Cain didn't bring his best?, you are adding to scripture to fit your doctrine.
Where did I say that Able was a sacrifice? Able was murdered by Cain (the serpents seed)

Without the understanding of the 1st sin, you just keep twisting the scripture more and more.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm#324249

Ed J

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Hi Marlin,

Rev.22:3 says the curse is removed;
exactly what do you say this means?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 12, 2012 at 11:58 pm#324255

Marlin1

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Rev.22:3 says the curse is removed;
exactly what do you say this means?

God bless
Ed J

Brother Ed,

This is my take on this scripture.
GEN 2:17 † But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

II PETER 3:8 † But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

REV 20:4 † “……. and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. “

II Peter 3:8 “….. and a thousand years as one day.

The reign of man upon the earth for one thousand years “ends the curse”.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 13, 2012 at 12:03 am#324256

Wakeup

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,09:02)

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does anyone knows what truth we HAVE to know to be saved or it is not a matter of knowledge but of truthfulless in our hearts and so love him with the knowledge that we constantly aquire on a daily base by studying his word ???or ……….???

THIS WE MUST DO:

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except YE EAT THE FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK HIS BLOOD, ye have NO life in you.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth MY FLESH, and drinketh MY BLOOD, hath eternal life; and I WILL raise him up at the last day.

John 6:55 FOR MY FLESH is meat indeed, and MY BLOOD is drink indeed.

John 6:56 HE THAT EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKED MY BLOOD, DWELLETH IN ME, AND I IN HIM.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I LIVE BY THE FATHER: SO HE THAT EATETH ME, EVEN HE SHALL LIVE BY ME.

John 6:58 This is THAT BREAD which came down FROM HEAVEN: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of THIS BREAD shall live for ever.

wakeup.

December 13, 2012 at 1:45 am#324271

Ed J

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 13 2012,09:58)

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Rev.22:3 says the curse is removed;
exactly what do you say this means?

God bless
Ed J

Brother Ed,

This is my take on this scripture.
GEN 2:17 † But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

II PETER 3:8 † But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

REV 20:4 † “……. and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. “

II Peter 3:8 “….. and a thousand years as one day.

The reign of man upon the earth for one thousand years “ends the curse”.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

Can you explain the part I have highlighted?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 13, 2012 at 3:56 am#324284

Marlin1

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Can you explain the part I have highlighted?

God bless
Ed J

Brother Ed,

what is to explain, No man has lived a DAY since the curse. That is the why of the 7th day reign.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 13, 2012 at 4:04 am#324286

journey42

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Brother Marlin

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My Dear Sister Journey,

You have tried to use Rev 12 for a spiritual meaning only and the truth is it is speaking real events that took place HERE on EARTH.

Yes Marlin, we are into solid food now. These scriptures reveal so much and seldom spoken of. These events are past and present. They are very real.

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1) The meaning of the Woman here is God's true church (Israel), not spiritual Israel.
2) The SUN here is God over His church.
3) The Moon here is the reflection of the SUN, The Bride of Christ.
4) The woman gave birth to a human SON, Jesus.
5) The Red Dragon has always been Rome.
6) Who tried to kill the child, Rome. Herod.

Please let me explain again chapter 12. Let's examine;

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

This WOMAN is in HEAVEN, so she is not earthly, but from above.
She is clothed with the Sun, meaning she is bright, full of light (truth, power, glory).
The fact that she has the moon under her feet only confirms once again that she is from above,
not here below, for she is HEAVENLY,
and the crown of twelve stars are the appostles,
for they are of the foundation,
the first ones hand picked by God,
to spread the good news,
and the first ones of man to testify and witness that the report of our Lord Jesus Christ is true,
so the message can be spread throughout the earth.

So when you say, this Woman is not spiritual Israel, but fleshly Israel, it does not gel. For fleshly Israel did not come from above, but below. Fleshly Israel were under the Law, and they killed all the prophets of God, and most of the appostles..Being under the law, they were still in darkness, and Christ was the FIRST to bring the light, and his appostles were with him, feeding off him, and being sent out. Because of them, the news of the Kingdom has been spread throughout the whole earth,….. because of them,….and what they endured, and they make up the crown of 12 stars, because they are part of the foundation, with Christ being the corner stone.
Crown means rulership. King. And on this crown is 12 stars. Stars are bright, and these 12 have glory with the king.

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had TWELVE FOUNDATIONS, and in them NAMES of the TWELVE APPOSTLES of the Lamb.

Saying that the moon is a reflection of the sun is putting science into it now, for it only represents that the woman is higher than the moon, meaning earth is under her feet for she is in heaven, above earth.
The woman is clothed with the sun. This is her covering, light..truth.
This woman is that holy city Jerusalem, called Zion, and she will produce children, and Christ is her firstborn. So yes you are right on this one,and he did come out of Mary's womb, but this is the physical side, but Mary is not Holy Jerusalem, or Zion, for we are not of Mary's seed, but of God's. Christ is of God's seed also for he was in the womb of Zion.

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The symbols in Revelations almost always point to real events. So if you could see, you would see the seed of the woman in Genesis pointed to a real person (Jesus). Just like the seed of the serpent point to a real person.

Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

December 13, 2012 at 4:08 am#324288

journey42

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Brother Marlin

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True. It's just a parable, an example. Two seeds sown. One by Christ and one by the devil, the enemy. Let the two grow together, and at the harvest we will separate them.
Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire,; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them in a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

A seed grows. It's what's in you. What you have been taught. These bad seeds don't belong in the kingdom, and Christ's kingdom will be cleaned out. So, will just little seeds of truth and lies be thrown out, or will there actually be real people thrown out too? It's what they have been feeding on that corrupts them, and they were intermingled with the good seed.

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Now, to put this into us, we are a MIXED SEED, Our blood is tainted. We are BORN SINNERS, by our very nature. Not the nature of Adam, but OUR very nature, because of what they did.

Yes, we are born sinners for sure, I do not disagree with that.

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There is only one sin that can transfer from father to son, according the God's Word. And that is a child of wrongful means. That is a sin against ones own body.

And between one's own spirit. There are sins leading to death and sins not leading to death.. I don't know where you are going with this one?

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How many times have you read the Genesis story and not understood. Did God accept the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made? NO He did not.
God killed an animal and made them skins to wear.

That had to happen or else we would all be walking around half naked now.

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Blood Sacrifice was required from the beginning. WHY?

Did God accept Cains sacrifice of his 1st fruits. NO He did not.
By revelation Able knew it required a blood sacrifice.

Where does it say that God required a blood sacrifice? I can't find it. Please show me a scripture supporting this, and then I can understand what you are talking about.

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It so amazes me that you can see a curse in verse 14 and 17, but not curse in 16. The word curse is not used in v16, so you are blind to the fact.

I could be wrong, but I saw they were punished, and I read that God did not curse Adam or Eve, only the Serpent, the GROUND, and Cain.
Gen 3:17 …..cursed is the ground FOR THY SAKE.

I see that God cursed the ground instead of Adam. I could be wrong, but that is what I see.
I know what God said to them after that as well, and things would not be so easy for them, but when you think of it, God being ALL KNOWING, and knowing the end from the beginning, intended for man to die, and get sick and experience corruption of the flesh, and experience evil, so that we can learn from it, and be a different type of creation than the angels, because they were created holy, and perfect, knowing only good, but with us, he is creating spiritual chrildren from the inside, and then will perfect the body at the end, if it's deserving. We are given a choice, and we come to him by choice, despite all the hardships and tribulations involved, we choose God and his righteous ways, over the other.
I also see later that God cursed man, and everything he made besides Noah and his family just before the flood. I see that as a curse, because all the world ended up dead. Stopped dead in their tracks. Just like Sodom and Gomorrah for example, and just like Judas, and HEROD, and the two who sold their house and kept the money for themselves, all killed instantly. Never a chance to repent. Finito. Gone.

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What is a curse?
define – A solemn utterance to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.

If God would have left the word curse out of v17, it still would have been a curse.
So in v16, I will greatly multiply Is a curse on women. (weather you can see it or not)

Maybe your right and I am wrong but I explained before. Everything is pre-determined. Planned out in the beginning.

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In 4:3-4, God made the 1st sacrifice, and it was a blood sacrifice. 3:21

Genesis 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. Ad the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Thank you for giving scripture, now I know what you are talking about. So the first sacrifice God made for himself was killing an animal so that they could have skins to cover them? Is that what you are saying?
Mmm never heard that one before. This is getting interesting brother.

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Where does it say that Cain didn't bring his best?, you are adding to scripture to fit your doctrine.
Where did I say that Able was a sacrifice? Able was murdered by Cain (the serpents seed)

I was guessing what you mean't because you didn't give scripture. NO SCRIPTURE, NO CLEAR.

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Without the understanding of the 1st sin,
you just keep twisting the scripture more and more

. Thank you my dear brother for your comments also.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 13, 2012 at 4:17 am#324291

journey42

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Brother Marlin

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Now, to put this into us, we are a MIXED SEED, Our blood is tainted. We are BORN SINNERS, by our very nature. Not the nature of Adam, but OUR very nature, because of what they did.

Yes, we are born sinners for sure, I do not disagree with that.

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There is only one sin that can transfer from father to son, according the God's Word. And that is a child of wrongful means. That is a sin against ones own body.

And between one's own spirit. There are sins leading to death and sins not leading to death.. I don't know where you are going with this one?

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How many times have you read the Genesis story and not understood. Did God accept the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made? NO He did not.
God killed an animal and made them skins to wear.

That had to happen or else we would all be walking around half naked now.

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Blood Sacrifice was required from the beginning. WHY?

Did God accept Cains sacrifice of his 1st fruits. NO He did not.
By revelation Able knew it required a blood sacrifice.

Where does it say that God required a blood sacrifice? I can't find it. Please show me a scripture supporting this, and then I can understand what you are talking about.

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It so amazes me that you can see a curse in verse 14 and 17, but not curse in 16. The word curse is not used in v16, so you are blind to the fact.

I could be wrong, but I saw they were punished, and I read that God did not curse Adam or Eve, only the Serpent, the GROUND, and Cain.
Gen 3:17 …..cursed is the ground FOR THY SAKE.

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What is a curse?
define – A solemn utterance to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.

If God would have left the word curse out of v17, it still would have been a curse.
So in v16, I will greatly multiply Is a curse on women. (weather you can see it or not)

Maybe your right and I am wrong but I explained before. Everything is pre-determined. Planned out in the beginning.

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In 4:3-4, God made the 1st sacrifice, and it was a blood sacrifice. 3:21

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

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Where does it say that Cain didn't bring his best?, you are adding to scripture to fit your doctrine.
Where did I say that Able was a sacrifice? Able was murdered by Cain (the serpents seed)

I was guessing what you mean't because you didn't give scripture. NO SCRIPTURE, NO CLEAR.

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Without the understanding of the 1st sin,
you just keep twisting the scripture more and more

. Thank you my dear brother for your comments also.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 13, 2012 at 4:51 am#324293

journey42

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Marlin1,Dec. wrote:

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Brother Marlin

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5) The Red Dragon has always been Rome.
6) Who tried to kill the child, Rome. Herod.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in HEAVEN: Michael and his angels fought against THE DRAGON; and the DRAGON fought and his angels;

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in HEAVEN.

Rev 12:9 And the GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, that OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world. he was cast out into the EARTH and his angels were cast out with him.

Q. When was Rome ever in Heaven?

By the way, the Jews ordered Christ's death. They were the ones after his blood.

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Luke 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Brother, I hope these scriptures can give you more insight.

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December 13, 2012 at 4:55 am#324294

journey42

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