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- December 6, 2012 at 3:47 am#323511RichtunerParticipant
Marlin1, Okay, you don't believe that Adam's sin was passed down to us all, then explain why we are born sinners.
Why all of us need redemption.God did not make Adam a sinner, so how are we made sinners.
There are things that you cannot understand about man and God and will never understand redemption.
You will not understand the other things that pertain to this subject, and cannot because you refuse the knowledge that will unlock the all scriptures that does not contradict the scriptures.
Just because you can't wrap your mind around this does not mean it's not truth.
Jesus told Nicodemus, “how can you not understand the natural things, and how will you understand the Spiritual then”
December 6, 2012 at 5:40 am#323513Ed JParticipantQuote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 06 2012,10:19) Brother Rich, If your ok with staying in the dark, that is your choice. I for one never understood why God would charge Adam's sin to me. It always seem like it was contrary to His Word and it was. Then one day God opened my eyes to the truth of why we are all born sinners. Like you said, His Word is TRUE, when He says the fathers sins do not transfer to the sons, He meant every WORD of it.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Hi Marlin,Are you going to share your understanding with us?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDecember 6, 2012 at 6:52 am#323515Marlin1ParticipantBrother Rich and Brother Ed,
Just like you, I was taught and believed that Adam and Eve, our first parents in the garden of Eden, ate an apple from the tree in the midst of the garden, and through this act of disobedience the whole world plunged into sin. WAS IT AN APPLE THAT EVE DID EAT? Why should it be an apple when apples were never mentioned in the Word of God in reference to the Garden of Eden? Although the Bible speaks that they were not to eat of the TREE of the knowledge of good and evil, but never can we find in the entire Scriptures that it was an apple that have caused our transgressions and fall (Genesis 2:17).
It will be difficult for many readers to believe this, but of a truth, it was SEX or ADULTERY with the SERPENT that caused the fall of EVE and ADAM, through which sin came into the world and brought each of us under its curse.
the true revelation of the SERPENT’S SEED, and here is what really happened in the Garden of Eden. The Word says that Eve was beguiled by the serpent. She was actually seduced by the serpent. Satan took advantage of the serpent’s physical characteristics to use him to beguile Eve. Remember that it was Lucifer’s ambition to build himself a greater kingdom than Michael did in heaven, before he was kicked out on earth. And still, he wanted to pursue his evil plan in this world after that. And the only way for Satan to accomplish what he wanted to do was to enter the serpent in Eden even as he entered by evil spirits into the swine at Gadara. He could not have a child directly by Eve as did God by Mary, so he entered into the serpent and then beguiled Eve. He seduced her and by her did Satan have a child vicariously – CAIN, the seed of the serpent, who bore the full spiritual characteristics of Satan and the animalistic (sensual, fleshly) characteristic of the serpent, and a murderer, too.
It says in Genesis 3:1, “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.” This beast was so close to a human being (and yet was pure animal) that he could reason and talk. He was close to a man. He was so close to being human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive. Before Adam ever had a carnal knowledge of Eve, the serpent had that knowledge ahead of him. And that one born of it was CAIN. “Cain was of (born of, begotten of) that “Wicked One”, according to I John 3:12 Notice what God said to the SERPENT in the garden. Genesis 3:15, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.”
If we give credit to the Word that the woman did have a seed, then the serpent must have surely had a SEED also. If the SEED of the woman was a MAN-CHILD apart from the man, then the SEED of the serpent will have to be in the same pattern, and that is another male must be born apart from human male instrumentality.
As the Seed of the woman was literally God reproducing Himself in human flesh, so the seed of the serpent is the literal way that Satan found he was able to open the door to himself into the human race. It was impossible for Satan (for he is only a created spirit-being) to reproduce himself in the manner which God reproduced Himself, so the Genesis account tells how he produced his seed and introduced or injected himself into the human race. “Her (Eve’s) eyes, with sight she saw the serpent. He was beautiful, handsome, far better than her own husband. He was the most subtle of all the beast of the field. And he was probably a fairer looking than her husband; he look like a great masculine giant beast standing there. How great he was, and he was trying to tell her what a great thing it was. And the first thing she did, she opened up her mind. And when she did, human reasonings caught it.
When this illicit act happened between Eve and the serpent, God cursed the serpent. He changed every bone in the serpent’s body so that he had to crawl like a snake. “And the Lord God said unto the SERPENT, because thou hast done this, thou art CURSED above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy BELLY shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life”.
Science can try all it wants to, and it won’t find the MISSING LINK between man and animal. God saw to that. Man is smart and he can see an association of man with animal and he tries to prove it out of evolution. There isn’t any evolution. But man and animal did mingle. That’s one of the mysteries of God that has remained hidden, but here it is revealed by the prophet of Rev 10:7. It happened right back there in the midst of Eden when Eve turned away from Life to accept Death.
Immediately after EATING the FRUIT (remember that we are the FRUITS of our mother and father), they quickly knew that they were NAKED. And they hid themselves from God and made aprons of fig leaves to cover their NAKEDNESS (Gen. 3:7-8). SURELY this must speak to our understanding that it was SEX, and NOT EATING APPLES (or else Adam and Eve could have made aprons for their mouth, instead of covering their private parts). Also take note that after this affair, God did not curse Eve by punishing her with more apples to eat, but said, “Unto the woman He said, I will multiply thy sorrow and thy CONCEPTION; in sorrow thou shalt BRING FORTH CHILDREN, and thy desire shall be to thy husband..” (Gen. 3:16). This tremendous act has brought forth the advent for man’s sexual reproduction, which was never God’s original plan, because God just speaks His children into existence and they come forth out of the dust, just like the way He created the first man, Adam.
The fruit or result of Eve being sexually known by the serpent and Adam was that she conceived both CAIN and ABEL. The truth of the matter is that Eve had in her womb TWO sons (TWINS) from SEPARATE IMPREGNATIONS. She was carrying TWINS, with Cain’s conception sometime previous to that of Abel’s. To those who think that this is not possible, let it be known that the medical records show many cases where women have carried twins who were of separate ova and separate insemination with the fertilization of the eggs being days apart, and NOT ONLY SO, but some of the records show that the twins were fathered by separate males.
Worldwide coverage was given to a Norwegian mother who was suing her husband for support for herself and her twins, one of which was white and the other black. She admitted that she had a Negro lover. The two conceptions were about three weeks apart. In Beaumont, Texas, in 1963, the records again set forth a multiple birth wherein pregnancies were many days apart, in fact so much so that the woman almost died along with one child in childbirth.
Cain went to the land of Nod, produced giants, and then they come to the land of Noah. They worked brass; they worked iron; they worked metals. They invented things. They tempered different metals, and built houses, smart people. Gen 4.
It is amazing that Jude 14 records that ENOCH was the SEVENTH from Adam, which confirms that CAIN was really NOT the son of Adam, but the SON of the SERPENT. The genealogies of ADAM was on this wise : (1) Adam, (2) Seth, (3) Enos, (4) Cainan, (5) Mahaleel, (6) Jared, (7) Enoch.
Notice that Cain was never mentioned in the list of the Bible as a son of Adam; and Abel, of course, was no longer mentioned because he was murdered by Cain, and did not have any descendant. In the New Testament, we can find traces of the serpent seed through the persons of the religious Pharisees and Saducees as John the Baptist addressed them as such. Matthew 3:7- “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” Jesus called them the same thing in Matthew12:34 -” O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the
mouth speaketh.” Also in Matthew 23:33- “[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”We are born in sin, shaped in iniquity, come to the world speaking lies, because we have MIXED BLOOD, MIXED DNA, we have fallen FLESH.
God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 6, 2012 at 7:18 am#323518Ed JParticipantHi Marlin,
The Bible says that Adam also did eat.
Are you suggesting that Adam also had
sexual relations with the serpent as well?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDecember 6, 2012 at 11:55 pm#323561RichtunerParticipantMarlin1,
Quote Satan have a child vicariously – CAIN, the seed of the serpent Sir, please read Gen. Chapter 4. It says that Adam knew Eve and she had THEIR first man child CAIN.
Read this carefully,
Joh_8:41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh_8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of itIF CAIN WAS THE SEED OF ADAM AND WE SEE THAT JESUS CALLED THE PEOPLE OF HIS TIME, THAT THEY WERE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL, THEN WE MUST ALL BE FROM CAIN'S SEED, WHICH IS CRAZY. DID THE SERPENT HAVE SEX WITH EVERY WOMAN?
I'm not too sure where you got this, but this is the first time I have ever heard this.
I don't want to sound harsh, but that is rubbish because it has no scriptures to back that story, in fact the scriptures above shows the opposite.
December 7, 2012 at 12:43 am#323567Marlin1ParticipantQuote The Bible says that Adam also did eat.
Are you suggesting that Adam also had
sexual relations with the serpent as well?God bless
Ed JGEN 3:6 † And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 † And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.Eve was for and part of Adam, she committed adultery with the serpent. Then she gave herself to Adam with him knowing full well what she had done.
And afterword they KNEW THEY WERE NAKED
God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 7, 2012 at 1:27 am#323573Marlin1ParticipantQuote Sir, please read Gen. Chapter 4. It says that Adam knew Eve and she had THEIR first man child CAIN. Read this carefully,
Joh_8:41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh_8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of itIF CAIN WAS THE SEED OF ADAM AND WE SEE THAT JESUS CALLED THE PEOPLE OF HIS TIME, THAT THEY WERE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL, THEN WE MUST ALL BE FROM CAIN'S SEED, WHICH IS CRAZY. DID THE SERPENT HAVE SEX WITH EVERY WOMAN?
I'm not too sure where you got this, but this is the first time I have ever heard this.
I don't want to sound harsh, but that is rubbish because it has no scriptures to back that story, in fact the scriptures above shows the opposite.
Brother Rich,
The scriptures above do not show the opposite, in fact 8:44 tells you flat out the truth and you deny it. What did Cain do from the beginning, killed his brother without a cause.
You will never find a place in scripture where Cain is of Adam.In fact I JOHN 3:12 † Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one,
Here we are told that Cain is of the wicked one, Adam was never known as that wicked one.GENESIS 4:1 † And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2 † And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.1st the serpent knew Eve and then Adam knew Eve. And two children (Cain, of that wicked one) and (Abel, from Adam)
Both of them had to come from the Lord, for all life comes from the Lord, the weeds and the wheat.Then in Gen 4:25, Adam knows Eve again and they have Seth.
Now this is how we are all born sinners and God Word is not broken. We every one of us is a MIXED TREE. Good and Evil, mixed blood, mixed DNA.
Quote I don't want to sound harsh, but that is rubbish because it has no scriptures to back that story, in fact the scriptures above shows the opposite. Open your eyes my brother, do you really think because you have never heard of something it must be false.
The scriptures are all there for anyone to see. All they have to do is look without all their preconceived ideas.
But most will hold true to form and won't even look.Many truths were revealed by the 7th church age prophet, Rev 10:7, Mal 4:5, Luk 17, Amos 3:7
It shall be LIGHT in the EVENING TIME and then the END shall come.God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 7, 2012 at 8:12 am#323599journey42ParticipantMarlin
Satan appeared as a serpent, not a man.
Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT was more subtil than any BEAST of THE FIELD which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
God is not using code talk here. He is telling us exactly how it happened. Satan appeared as a SERPENT because Adam & Eve were the only 2 humans on the earth at that time, and they knew it, because Adam named all the animals.
Only later, did the fallen angels appear as men and take wives for themselves. These ones were punished for that act, and are locked up till this day. Satan was to clever to do that himself, or he would be locked up too.
December 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm#323607RichtunerParticipantMarlin1, you did not read my whole post. If Jesus told the people of his day they were of their father the devil, then all would be of Cain.
The truth is, that speaks of Adam's fallen nature passed down. If the people then and now do the works of the devil, their father, then we are all of Cain and not Adam.He is of the wicked one because of his deeds. Jesus did the works of God His father (“God”).
Read other scriptures that identify people who do wicked works and see that they are identified with the devil.
Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.You cannot get by Gen. chapter 4 that says Adam knew Eve and they had Cain. that is way too plain too miss.
December 7, 2012 at 9:39 pm#323617Marlin1ParticipantQuote Satan appeared as a serpent, not a man. Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT was more subtil than any BEAST of THE FIELD which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
God is not using code talk here. He is telling us exactly how it happened. Satan appeared as a SERPENT because Adam & Eve were the only 2 humans on the earth at that time, and they knew it, because Adam named all the animals.
Only later, did the fallen angels appear as men and take wives for themselves. These ones were punished for that act, and are locked up till this day. Satan was to clever to do that himself, or he would be locked up too.
Brother Journey,
And what is a serpent, it is not a snake (3:14), for that was the curse. The serpent was not a man, but like unto a man, totally animal, who satan came into.
The serpent had a seed (3:15), just like the woman and Cain was the offspring. He was not of Adam, he was of the wicked one.1John3:12
And what was the curse to the woman, that child birthing PAIN would be greatly multiplied. Gen 3:16
Don't try to make the scriptures line up to your doctrine, line up your doctrine to the scriptures.
It is much more difficult to believe that angels mated with women, then to believe the truth.
Sons of God were the males of the lineage of Adam.
Daughters of man were the females of the lineage of Cain.
Gen 6:2Your doctrine of fallen angels mating with women is FALSE.
God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 7, 2012 at 10:10 pm#323618Marlin1ParticipantQuote Marlin1, you did not read my whole post. If Jesus told the people of his day they were of their father the devil, then all would be of Cain. Brother Rich,
This is your opinion. We have mixed blood in us, evil and good in all. It is a matter of choice, freewill.
Quote The truth is, that speaks of Adam's fallen nature passed down. If the people then and now do the works of the devil, their father, then we are all of Cain and not Adam. Yes brother satan is deceiving the people now, just like he always has. The first sin was because Eve believed satan's lie over God's Word. That in no way changes the fact that our flesh is evil from birth and has to die, be changed.
Quote He is of the wicked one because of his deeds. Jesus did the works of God His father (“God”). This again is your opinion, if he was of Adam, he would show as the first born of Adam. Look at the nature of Cain. He believed in God and was very religious and worshiped God. He built an altar and brought the first fruits of his crops. Instead of doing what was right, he murdered his brother. He was of the evil one, a giant of a man, half human and half pure animal.
Jesus came as THE Son of God. He didn't come in fallen flesh, He came just like the first Adam, God created.
Quote You cannot get by Gen. chapter 4 that says Adam knew Eve and they had Cain. that is way too plain too miss. Again your opinion, before Adam knew Eve, the serpent knew her.
Gen 4, shows that Adam knew Eve two times and three sons were born.
Cain did not have the nature of Adam, Able and Seth did have Adam's nature.
Seth was Adam's first born son that lived. Luke 3:38
Cain is not listed, because he is not Adam's son. 1 John 3:12God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 7, 2012 at 10:15 pm#323619terrariccaParticipantthis topic is about truth it seems that some tries to tell his own truth
all
I start to believe that not to many understand what is required of every beleiver to do when it comes to the truth of God ,
do you think that we can be true if we lie or cheet to others ,or even to our self like knowing very well that what you say and think is not true but confussing ,do you think that is being truthful
the game that some play may well be play by God to them without them knowing it ,this is deceit God does not let his spirit go to a untrue person ,the foundation of God his truth ,anyone who can not be truthful in all things ,he as a vain faith ,useless ,he has no faith.
get me right we are not perfect ,but there are action to errors ,
can anyone thing differently and still be loved by God and his son
December 8, 2012 at 12:57 am#323634journey42ParticipantQuote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 06 2012,16:52)
It says in Genesis 3:1, “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.” This beast was so close to a human being (and yet was pure animal) that he could reason and talk. He was close to a man. He was so close to being human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive. Before Adam ever had a carnal knowledge of Eve, the serpent had that knowledge ahead of him. And that one born of it was CAIN. “Cain was of (born of, begotten of) that “Wicked One”,Brother Marlin
I am female just like Eve, but not as naive because I have the scriptures to follow just like you do, but you are seeing something in there other than the simple truth. You cannot see that the devil turned himself into a serpent, (yes a talking snake) and decieved Eve. The scriptures does not say that the snake had sex with Eve, but decieved her with his words. So simple even a child can understand. From that day forth sin was born, and it was born of the devil, and what was in his heart became manifest.
So one simple rule, Do not eat the fruit of that tree.
ONE SIMPLE RULE.
Did God command them and say,
“ye shall not have sex with anyone else but each other?”
There has to be a rule before you can break it.
God got angry because they broke that one simple rule. They ate the forbidden fruit which they were told not to eat. SIMPLE. It starts from there, no where else.Quote It will be difficult for many readers to believe this, but of a truth, it was SEX or ADULTERY with the SERPENT that caused the fall of EVE and ADAM, through which sin came into the world and brought each of us under its curse. So just to confirm again, what you are saying is that Eve had sex with a snake and conceived Cain? Is that correct?
December 8, 2012 at 2:09 am#323647terrariccaParticipantj42
Quote God got angry because they broke that one simple rule you are not naive at all
but the rule that God put before Adam and Eve was in no danger to themselves because we know they did not die from poisoning ,but it was a simple fact of obedience and respect and give honor to their creator ,but even that simple obedience Adam could not ,was not to honor,
now how is this translated in today's world
December 8, 2012 at 7:19 am#323695Marlin1ParticipantQuote I am female just like Eve, but not as naive because I have the scriptures to follow just like you do, but you are seeing something in there other than the simple truth. You cannot see that the devil turned himself into a serpent, (yes a talking snake) and decieved Eve. The scriptures does not say that the snake had sex with Eve, but decieved her with his words. So simple even a child can understand. From that day forth sin was born, and it was born of the devil, and what was in his heart became manifest. So one simple rule, Do not eat the fruit of that tree.
ONE SIMPLE RULE.
Did God command them and say,
“ye shall not have sex with anyone else but each other?”
There has to be a rule before you can break it.
God got angry because they broke that one simple rule. They ate the forbidden fruit which they were told not to eat. SIMPLE. It starts from there, no where else.Quote
It will be difficult for many readers to believe this, but of a truth, it was SEX or ADULTERY with the SERPENT that caused the fall of EVE and ADAM, through which sin came into the world and brought each of us under its curse.So just to confirm again, what you are saying is that Eve had sex with a snake and conceived Cain? Is that correct?
Sister Journey,
First I will answer your question, The serpent was NOT a SNAKE, God's curse changed every bone in its body and turned it into a snake. Gen 3:14. Also in 3:15 you are told that the serpent had a seed just like the woman. Yes, Cain came from that union.
You are deceived right now, just like Eve was and just like the 7th church age (Rev 3:17), you don't know it.
Now this is going to sting, just a little.
If you will go back and read Genesis, you will see the Eve was not part of the original creation, She was made from Adam. God knowing that Adam could not be deceived. Adam willfully disobeyed God because of his love for Eve, Eve was DECEIVED. For that reason, God gave us 1 Tim 2:12.This is not fiction, this is revealed Word for this hour.
Jesus ask, will I find faith when I return. NO, not much faith in the revealed Word for the hour we live.God bless you sister in your search
bro. MarlinDecember 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm#323726journey42ParticipantBrother Marlin,
For the love of the truth, please reconsider this strange doctrine of yours. (not really yours, because you learn't it from another fold)
Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 08 2012,17:19)
Sister Journey,First I will answer your question, The serpent was NOT a SNAKE, God's curse changed every bone in its body and turned it into a snake. Gen 3:14.
Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, BECAUSE THOU HAST DONE THIS, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly thou go, and dust shall thou east all the days of thy life.
…Because thou hast done what?
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee thou wast naked? Hast thou EATEN of the TREE, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest NOT EAT?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to bewith me, she gave me of the tree, AND I DID EAT.
Gen 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, Whatis this that thou hast done? And the woman said, THE SERPENT BEGUILED ME, and I DID EAT.So what the serpent did, was decieve Eve into EATING the very fruit of that tree that God told them not to EAT, …because the serpent told them that if they did EAT of that tree, they would be as Gods, knowing good and evil, and Eve wanted to be wise.
It's all about eating the fruit Marlin. Nothing to do with sex.
The very scripture you quoted does not say that God's curse changed every bone in Satan's body and turned him into a snake.again, it says this;
Quote Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly thou go, and dust shall thou east all the days of thy life. Satan is cursed above every creature…..Before he abided in heaven as a cherub, now he is the LOWEST thing to the GROUND…..”upon thy belly”, just like a snake, and he shall eat only dust from now on ( No more spiritual food, no word of God ever again for him) but only dust..which is dirt (spiritually speaking)
December 8, 2012 at 4:42 pm#323728terrariccaParticipantall of you here
Quote Satan is cursed above every creature…..Before he abided in heaven as a cherub, now he is the LOWEST thing to the GROUND…..”upon thy belly”, just like a snake, and he shall eat only dust from now on ( No more spiritual food, no word of God ever again for him) but only dust..which is dirt (spiritually speaking) could anyone tell me HOW CAN SATAN BE LOWERED DOWN TO ;;ABOVE THE CATLE AND SO BE ON THE GROUND ;;;CAN YOU PICTURE THIS
December 8, 2012 at 5:00 pm#323733RichtunerParticipantMarlin1, I would like to know where you got this doctrine from, I have been in the Word for 39 years and have run across many different views and teachings, but this takes the cake for me.
When The Word states as plainly as it does in Gen. 4 that “Adam knew Eve and she bear Cain” would have to purposely miss quoted in order to believe in a false doctrine of how sin came into the world.
It is also plainly stated that by one man, (Adam) sin came into the world, not Cain.I have seen people who will try and change what the Word is saying so that they can believe in something that is not supported by those scriptures
Case in point was about Paul who some believed God made or called him to go to Jerusalem where He knew he would be imprisoned and would write the prison Epistles.
It comes from the statement of the ones in Acts 21:4 who said through the Spirit that he should not go up to Jerusalem.These people say that what it means is, they said by their own spirit not by the Spirit of God thus making it God's will that he should go and the people's will that he should not go.
I would not take any teachings that you have to say, “what this really means is…..”
December 8, 2012 at 8:38 pm#323737Marlin1ParticipantQuote It's all about eating the fruit Marlin. Sister Journey,
Yes ma, it is surly the fruit.
GEN 30:2 † And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?1) The serpent is not satan, satan is a spirit. The serpent was a giant of a beast, so close to man that his seed could and did germinate Eve's egg. Gen 3:1. satan went into the serpent, just like he does to man today.
2) The curse removed the serpent's legs. 3:14
3) Enmity (hatred) between the serpent's seed (offspring) and the woman's seed (offspring) 3:15
a good share of the bibles don't use seed here at all, they use offspring. Which is the same, but maybe easier for some to understand.4) Cain was of the wicked one (1 john 3:12)
5) Cain's nature was not like Adam's, Able's, or Seth's, it was animal like.
6) Cain was a murderer
7) Cain was very religious, he knew God, he worshiped God, he built an altar and made his sacrifice.
He had what he thought was the truth and went by that, even God couldn't change his mind. 4:7-8
Just like so many people today.8) The sins of Adam, do not go to the Sons. Eze 18:20
We are not held accountable for Adam's disbelief. We, everyone of us are born sinners, because of fallen flesh, mixed blood. 6:29) The woman tried to reason with the serpent and was deceived, Just like today. And she did actually partake of the tree.
10) After she ate and gave to her husband, they KNEW they were NAKED.
Think about it, what could they have eaten to make them know they were naked.11) It was a BLOOD sin and required a blood sacrifice.
Even a child would see the truth of this, if the child didn't come with preconceived ideas. Go back and reread the scriptures, if you are interested in truth.
This is a little harder then seeing the truth about baptism, but like baptism, it is every bit in the scriptures. Even though the correct bible baptism is written right straight in the Word (acts 2:38), most deny that. It doesn't make it any less true.
God Bless
bro. MarlinDecember 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm#323738Marlin1ParticipantQuote Satan is cursed above every creature…..Before he abided in heaven as a cherub, now he is the LOWEST thing to the GROUND…..”upon thy belly”, just like a snake, and he shall eat only dust from now on ( No more spiritual food, no word of God ever again for him) but only dust..which is dirt (spiritually speaking) could anyone tell me HOW CAN SATAN BE LOWERED DOWN TO ;;ABOVE THE CATLE AND SO BE ON THE GROUND ;;;CAN YOU PICTURE THIS
Brother Pierre,
That is because the scripture is talking about the serpent, not satan(a spirit). satan went into the serpent a beast and deceived Eve.
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