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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2010,14:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2010,14:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 04 2010,18:30) So you are not witnessing to the world on behalf of Jehovah God?
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So are you or are you not, because you said I lied that you did say that you were unless you are witnessing to #117, is that the name of God, you are using?
I told you a number of times already what satan's title is!
You can choose to ignore this “Bible Truth” if you like; but I wouldn't recommend it.Just because you choose not to differentiate satan's title, don't think for a minute “I” will.
What is Satan's title again?Quote (katjo @ Feb. 05 2010,14:37) B.D. I am not judging them BUT it clearly states in the bible for you to accept Jesus as you Lord and Savior. It is the only way for Salvation that’s how you gain the holy spirit JOHN 14;16 Jesus words) I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THREW ME
ROMANS 10;19 if you confess with your mouth JESUS IS LORD; and beleive in your heart that God raised Him from the dead YOU WILL BE SAVED! FOR IT IS WITH YOUR HEART THAT YOU BELEIVE AND ARE JUSTIFIED, AND ITS WITH YOUR MOUTH THAT YOU CONFESS AND ARE SAVED. ANY ONE WHO TRUST IN HIM WILL NEVER BE PUT TO SHAMEGod Bless you…
katjo
So according to the Bible are The Jews going to hell?They don't accept Jesus as Christ in-fact most would say he is a false prophet so according to the scriptures are the Going to ETERNAL HELL?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,15:05) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2010,14:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 05 2010,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2010,14:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 04 2010,18:30) So you are not witnessing to the world on behalf of Jehovah God?
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So are you or are you not, because you said I lied that you did say that you were unless you are witnessing to #117, is that the name of God, you are using?
I told you a number of times already what satan's title is!
You can choose to ignore this “Bible Truth” if you like; but I wouldn't recommend it.Just because you choose not to differentiate satan's title, don't think for a minute “I” will.
What is Satan's title again?
Hi BD,Matt.7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Job 40:4: Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
vile means evil, 'satan is vile'!1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.God bless you my brother
Ed JWJ,
Are you after trying to 'test' God?Are you wanting God to prove himself to you?
I pray that you didn't mean that.
God's 'form' is that of Spirit. A spirit has no bounding 'shape'(form) but can occupy something that does have a physical bounding shape.
God's force is beyond being able to be contained and for that reason I imagine God sends his agents to deliver his will.
If Moses had been subjected to the 'face' of God he would not have lived.
Before the prophets God spoke directly to mankind through the medium of the air, clouds, atmostphere (a third party element) but this came out as loud thunder and lightening and the people complained and begged God to stop, hence he then passed his messages through a human person.
In short, if God were to come in person to earth, mankind would likely cease to exist.
B.D. He is our Savior.Is He not in there word? Im not being the judge I quotted you the scripts.
katjo
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 06 2010,04:12) B.D. He is our Savior.Is He not in there word? Im not being the judge I quotted you the scripts. katjo
You said he was your God, If I asked you who was the Lord God you would say Jesus Christ.So I ask you who is The Father of GOD? What is His name?
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 05 2010,11:21) WJ,
Are you after trying to 'test' God?Are you wanting God to prove himself to you?
I pray that you didn't mean that.
God's 'form' is that of Spirit. A spirit has no bounding 'shape'(form) but can occupy something that does have a physical bounding shape.
God's force is beyond being able to be contained and for that reason I imagine God sends his agents to deliver his will.
If Moses had been subjected to the 'face' of God he would not have lived.
Before the prophets God spoke directly to mankind through the medium of the air, clouds, atmostphere (a third party element) but this came out as loud thunder and lightening and the people complained and begged God to stop, hence he then passed his messages through a human person.
In short, if God were to come in person to earth, mankind would likely cease to exist.
JAWhy do you deny that the infinitely powerful God can take on any form that he desires?
So Moses and Jacob and Isaiah and others were false witnesses when they say they saw God?
I am not trying to be rude, but you guys should learn the scriptures before you make comments on something you may not know anything about!
Jesus own words deny what you just said…
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. “You have never heard his voice nor **seen his form**“, John 5:37
Blessings WJ
WJ………Your looking at God as a Person, but GOD is Not a person, He is SPIRIT and SPIRIT Is LIFE. All who have life have GOD in them or they could not live. Moses only saw the GLORY of GOD Pass Before HIM. Not a person, Remember John said no one has ever seen GOD and Jesus said what amounts to the same thing. GOD is SPIRIT (Intellect) the genders life you can not see HIM. No one has , If a person or angles is sent by GOD then they represent HIM even Jesus was representing GOD the Father to us by the endwelling of The Spirit in HIM. God is only seen through His creation.
All creation exhibits GOD in them , because the life in them is GOD'S Spirit. How do you think GOD can be (ALL) and IN (ALL) , He is it's life source and sustainer, He is what (LIFE IS)> No life exists apart from HIM> It just would not exist apart from HIM. He is VERY LIFE ITSELF. IMO
Quote (Gene @ Feb. 05 2010,20:59) WJ………Your looking at God as a Person, but GOD is Not a person, He is SPIRIT and SPIRIT Is LIFE. All who have life have GOD in them or they could not live. Moses only saw the GLORY of GOD Pass Before HIM. Not a person, Remember John said no one has ever seen GOD and Jesus said what amounts to the same thing. GOD is SPIRIT (Intellect) the genders life you can not see HIM. No one has , If a person or angles is sent by GOD then they represent HIM even Jesus was representing GOD the Father to us by the endwelling of The Spirit in HIM. God is only seen through His creation. All creation exhibits GOD in them , because the life in them is GOD'S Spirit. How do you think GOD can be (ALL) and IN (ALL) , He is it's life source and sustainer, He is what (LIFE IS)> No life exists apart from HIM> It just would not exist apart from HIM. He is VERY LIFE ITSELF. IMO
GeneWho was Moses talking to if he was not a person? The Bible doesn't say he just saw his Glory, it says he saw his Back!
Do you not believe Moses testimony?
No, I am looking at God the way Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah and Jesus and the Apostles saw him!
You are implying that it is not possible for God to reveal himself to man!
Is there something wrong with Jesus words?…
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. “You have never heard his voice nor **seen his form**“, John 5:37
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2010,14:27) Quote (mikeboll @ Jan. 31 2010,00:35) I agree, Gene. Let's keep it simple. As I understand it, the Trinity Doctrine states that there is one Godhead. This Godhead is one being shared by three co-eternal, co-equal persons:Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are all God, but each plays different roles. But God is, “from everlasting to everlasting…” according to Moses in Psalm 90:2. And Jesus is, “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15)
In Romans 6:9 it says, “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…” This shows that Christ was not originally created immortal. He could, and did die. Doesn't this contradict the co-eternal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
And doesn't John 14:28, “the Father is greater than I” contradict the co-equal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
I have never heard any Trinitarian explain this away. Forget twisting other scrips, can any pro-trinity person out there tell me how the only two adjectives in your doctrine(co-equal and co-eternal) can be proved false by just two scrips?
And how can you search scrip after scrip trying to find something to help you reason out an explanation for something that is so utterly flawed from its very definition?
MikeYou are new here, and I suggest that you go to the Trinity threads and catch up on what we Trinitarians do believe!
But for short…
Your questios has been answered many times here!
As far as Romans 6:9, here is the link of one discussion… Click here
As far as John 14:28 you might want to start Here
And Here!
Blessings WJ
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Wj,
I clicked on the links you sent for me. Seems like you think Jesus is Jehovah. Is that right? Instead of me being banished to reading thousands of threads just because I'm new, wouldn't it be easier for you to just answer yes or no…do you think Jesus and Jehovah are co-equal and co-eternal?WJ……….God is omnipresent , I don't want to go through all the scriptures That prove that , you already know it. The reason Jesus said to them they had Never Heard His voice and seen His form is because He has no voice or form, He is PURE SPIRIT (INTELLECT) and abides in and through HIS CREATION. His (INVISIBLE) attributes can be seen by the thing created , (WHY) because He is express by them. GOD can NO be SEEN WJ by no one now or ever will be. He lives in us and through Us, What Moses saw was His GLORY not a PERSON. John said it right (NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME. IMO
Sorry, been sick af few days. Jehovah God, humbled Himself(took on a different nature) came to earth in the flesh(in a man, Jesus. and was to be called (Emmanuel) GOD WITH US! is what that means; and when He WAS crucified and took on the sins of the world, He returned back to the glory He had before the world was. When he returns He will be all in all-KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!
katjo
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 08 2010,14:16) Sorry, been sick af few days. Jehovah God, humbled Himself(took on a different nature) came to earth in the flesh(in a man, Jesus. and was to be called (Emmanuel) GOD WITH US! is what that means; and when He WAS crucified and took on the sins of the world, He returned back to the glory He had before the world was. When he returns He will be all in all-KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! katjo
I hope you're feeling better
So you are saying that there are not two individuals but only one?
Jesus is Jehovah?
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 08 2010,14:16) Sorry, been sick af few days. Jehovah God, humbled Himself(took on a different nature) came to earth in the flesh(in a man, Jesus. and was to be called (Emmanuel) GOD WITH US! is what that means; and when He WAS crucified and took on the sins of the world, He returned back to the glory He had before the world was. When he returns He will be all in all-KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! katjo
Hope your feeling better Katjo.
God bless.WJ,
To try and not be rude to your opinions must be my test – and I fail…
I just spent the lst few minute laughing at the absurdity of your last posts here.
For instance, why WOULD God want to debase his majesty by becoming one of his creation – it is not a matter of whether he can or can't because CLEARLY he CAN – but WHY SHOULD HE?
Does the chief of a military army [a Field Marshall] pull on a private's uniform and go amongst his troop – Why not?
Also, you quote a verse showing Jesus stating that noone has seen God as your proof that some people have seen God.
So you now claim that Jesus is a liar.TT claims that God is a god of half-truths – and posted a quote showing that half-truth means DECEIVER.
You now claim that Jesus is a liar.What are you two on – I wanna know so I can avoid it – like Death!!
JA
some people will never receive understding nor answers;Lk 23:8 When Herod saw Jesus, he was greatly pleased, because for a long time he had been wanting to see him. From what he had heard about him, he hoped to see him perform some miracle.
Lk 23:9 He plied him with many questions, but Jesus gave him no answer.
Lk 23:10 The chief priests and the teachers of the law were standing there, vehemently accusing him.You could say that!
katjo
Quote (mikeboll @ Feb. 05 2010,21:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2010,14:27) Quote (mikeboll @ Jan. 31 2010,00:35) I agree, Gene. Let's keep it simple. As I understand it, the Trinity Doctrine states that there is one Godhead. This Godhead is one being shared by three co-eternal, co-equal persons:Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are all God, but each plays different roles. But God is, “from everlasting to everlasting…” according to Moses in Psalm 90:2. And Jesus is, “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15)
In Romans 6:9 it says, “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…” This shows that Christ was not originally created immortal. He could, and did die. Doesn't this contradict the co-eternal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
And doesn't John 14:28, “the Father is greater than I” contradict the co-equal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
I have never heard any Trinitarian explain this away. Forget twisting other scrips, can any pro-trinity person out there tell me how the only two adjectives in your doctrine(co-equal and co-eternal) can be proved false by just two scrips?
And how can you search scrip after scrip trying to find something to help you reason out an explanation for something that is so utterly flawed from its very definition?
MikeYou are new here, and I suggest that you go to the Trinity threads and catch up on what we Trinitarians do believe!
But for short…
Your questios has been answered many times here!
As far as Romans 6:9, here is the link of one discussion… Click here
As far as John 14:28 you might want to start Here
And Here!
Blessings WJ
Quote
Wj,
I clicked on the links you sent for me. Seems like you think Jesus is Jehovah. Is that right? Instead of me being banished to reading thousands of threads just because I'm new, wouldn't it be easier for you to just answer yes or no…do you think Jesus and Jehovah are co-equal and co-eternal?
Yes!Here is a couple of the reasons why…
Click here! and Here
Blessings WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 08 2010,07:54) For instance, why WOULD God want to debase his majesty by becoming one of his creation – it is not a matter of whether he can or can't because CLEARLY he CAN – but WHY SHOULD HE?
JABecause YHWH says he alone is our Savour, and no one else could abolish death and condemn sin in the flesh but God, and that is exactly what Jesus did! Do you laugh about that or do you give Jesus credit for it?
Blessings WJ
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