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Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 08 2010,07:54) Also, you quote a verse showing Jesus stating that noone has seen God as your proof that some people have seen God.
So you now claim that Jesus is a liar.
JaJesus said also…
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth “ye know him, and have seen him“. John 14:7
from henceforth ye know him (God), and have seen him(God).
I don't suppose that you can't imagine that God can also reveal himself in degrees of glory can you?
Moses could not look at Gods face but he did see Gods back!
Jesus statement is true in that no-one can see or has seen God in all of his Glory and live.
Yet Jesus said he is the only one that has seen God in all of his Glory!
In fact no man can see Jesus in all of his Glory and live…
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, “the King of kings, and Lord of lords“; Who only hath immortality, “dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Tim 6:15, 16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: “God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory“. 3:16
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
God was manifest in the flesh.
He often uses human vessels to do His works.
You could not see Jesus without seeing God in Him doing works of power.
God can live in you and you can usefully serve Him if you choose to repent of your false gods and come to His son.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2010,12:50) Hi WJ,
God was manifest in the flesh.
He often uses human vessels to do His works.
You could not see Jesus without seeing God in Him doing works of power.
God can live in you and you can usefully serve Him if you choose to repent of your false gods and come to His son.
NHIf you believe this, then why is it so hard for you to believe that God can reveal himself to man litterally without agency?
WJ
Hi WJ,
Why add to what is written?
Assumptions are not a sound basis for doctrine.
God was in Christ, and can be in you, reconciling the world to Himself.WJ wrote:
Quote Jesus statement is true in that no-one can see or has seen God in all of his Glory and live. Yet Jesus said he is the only one that has see God in all of his Glory!
In fact no man can see Jesus in all of his Glory and live…
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, “the King of kings, and Lord of lords”; Who only hath immortality, “dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Tim 6:15, 16
Please can you quote me a verse stating that “Noone has seen God in his full Glory“
Please can you quote me a verse stating that “Noone has seen Jesus in his full Glory“
Since everything came forth from God he is in everything. Jesus came to earth to reveal him to us so that if we believe in him we will obtain eternal life in him (God).
Jesus words stating that “if you have seen me you have seen the father” – Was Jesus his own father, then?
Even two identical twins can say “If you have seen me you have seen my sibling” but that does not make them the same person.Moreover, if we saw the father, literally, in teh son then we should all be frazzled.
Not even in Heaven are the father and teh son looking alike.
Therefore the reference cannot mean in any sense a physical one (See = visual sensation). We know that Jesus was nearly always speaking in teh spiritual sense and it can be summized that this was the same here, too:
“Spiritually, we are the same – how can you ask me for a diference?:
We speak the same, think the same, do the same
– or more precisely:
I speak how He Speaks, I think how HE thinks, I do how HE does – that's why he loves me and BEGOT ME as HIS OWN SON.”Quote (Gene @ Feb. 06 2010,13:56) WJ……….God is omnipresent
Gene,Jesus is omnipresent too. So what's your point? “Where two or three are gathered IN MY NAME there I AM in their midst.”
thinker
WJ,
I think you are debasing God. You are thinking of him with a human mind – and even a human in a high position would not do what you are saying that God did.
Maybe it is for that very reason that God does not show his face – so that you do not make pictures of him and worship that – we don't even know what Jesus looks like and yet we make figurines of him – some make him Black, Some make him White Some make him Jewish with short or Long hair and a beard or not and yet noone has a description.
Moses did not “see” God, all the other people who claim to have seen God did not “See” God – They only believed that that was who they saw but if they had they would not have lived to tell anyone.
Read again, and you will find that there was always an agent involved whether it be an angel or a physical earthly object (The container through which God 'showed' himself)
If the burning bush had survived till now there would be a pilgramage to it and it would be worshipped…
JustAskin said:
Quote For instance, why WOULD God want to debase his majesty by becoming one of his creation – it is not a matter of whether he can or can't because CLEARLY he CAN – but WHY SHOULD HE?
LOVE!thinker
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2010,04:43) Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 08 2010,07:54) Also, you quote a verse showing Jesus stating that noone has seen God as your proof that some people have seen God.
So you now claim that Jesus is a liar.
JaJesus said also…
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth “ye know him, and have seen him“. John 14:7
from henceforth ye know him (God), and have seen him(God).
I don't suppose that you can't imagine that God can also reveal himself in degrees of glory can you?
Moses could not look at Gods face but he did see Gods back!
Jesus statement is true in that no-one can see or has seen God in all of his Glory and live.
Yet Jesus said he is the only one that has see God in all of his Glory!
In fact no man can see Jesus in all of his Glory and live…
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, “the King of kings, and Lord of lords“; Who only hath immortality, “dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Tim 6:15, 16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: “God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory“. 3:16
Blessings WJ
WJ,Amen! No one can see Jesus in all His glory. When He appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus Paul was blinded by the light of Christ's glory. Had Jesus turned on His glory to full blast Paul and His friends would have been disintegrated on the spot.
thinker
TT, “Love”,
He did that through his SON – you know the scriptures – why are you belittling your knowledge?
Nick said:
Quote You could not see Jesus without seeing God in Him doing works of power.
Nick,You speak only half the truth and a half truth is a falsehood. Jesus said, “The Father IN Me and [b]I IN the Father.”
thinker
TT,
Paul was not blinded 'by the light' by itself – He was made blind because Jesus wanted to force him to do HIS Will and he knoew that Paul would have been stubborn.
Remember that there were others there with him. The blinding was directed explicitly at Paul.
TT wrote: “You speak only half the truth and a half truth is a falsehood.”
TT, you know allabout “Half Truths' don't you – “Your God” is the author of that – you said!
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,05:37) TT, “Love”, He did that through his SON – you know the scriptures – why are you belittling your knowledge?
JA,Hush up! You're no match for me! Your logic infers that the love of Jesus was greater than God's love. Jesus said, “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his own life for another.”
So the only way God's love can match the love of Jesus is if Jesus was God in the flesh. For it was Jesus who loved the greatest by laying down HIS OWN LIFE.
If you reject that Jesus was God in the flesh then God's love was inferior to the love of Jesus.
Quite a conundrum for you isn't it?
thinker
Hi TT,
Is God in you?
Are you in Christ?He is in God but not that God. This unity is the plan of God but you stumble because of you false babylonian god.
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,05:41) TT, Paul was not blinded 'by the light' by itself – He was made blind because Jesus wanted to force him to do HIS Will and he knoew that Paul would have been stubborn.
Remember that there were others there with him. The blinding was directed explicitly at Paul.
When Paul stood before his accusers he CLEARLY said that he could not see because of the glory of the light (Acts 22:11).That light was Jesus. It was the glory of Jesus. I would agree with you though that Paul was singled out.
thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,05:53) TT, TT, TT, What is wrong with you:
“For God so loved the World [ ]” – fill in the blank space.
More half truths.The fact is that Jesus did the greatest act of love because He laid down HIS OWN LIFE. So if He was not God in the flesh then His love is greater than God's love.
“Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down His own life for another.”
Either Jesus was God in the flesh or His love was greater than God's love.
You haven't solved your conundrum.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,05:46) Hi TT,
Is God in you?
Are you in Christ?He is in God but not that God. This unity is the plan of God but you stumble because of you false babylonian god.
Christ is in me and I in Christ by His Spirit.The Father was IN the Son and the Son IN the Father without an intermediate agent.
thinker
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