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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 29 2010,07:10) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2010,07:02) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 29 2010,06:04) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2010,05:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 29 2010,04:36) Hi TT,
Where in your concordance is a trinity god?
Have you been lazy on this matter?
Nick,Dung remark!
thinker
Hi TT,
Why do you ignore the elephant in the room?
There is no scriptural trinity.
I did not make up the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It was Jesus who said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Take your beef to Jesus.thinker
Hi TT,
You think all the apostles disobeyed him or have you got the wrong end of the stick?How would that define a trinity anyway?
The Apostle Paul:
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
The Apostle Peter:
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
thinker
hi TT,
If you were one of the US of 1 cor 8 you would get less confused.
Trawling for confusion to support your dogma does not help you either.Why not align with the Lord Jesus instead of wriggling on the hook?
To All………..This whole thing is simple, the problem is Trinitarians do (NOT) Believe JESUS or GOD the FATHERS WORDS. They muddy the water and then take some scriptures they can twist and force the text to come out their way.
Here is the simple (TRUTH) Jesus said 'FOR THOU ART THE ONLY TRUE GOD” (The word only means no other) (The word thou means someone other then the one speaking), so simple so clear what more need to be said. Just believe what Jesus said and you will be like Him and Worship (ONLY ONE TRUE GOD)AS HE DID> And if that is not sufficient Believe GOD the FATHER HIMSELF, “FOR YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GODS BESIDES ME. And again “THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME I KNOW NOT ONE> To everyone JUST BELIEVE what JESUS SAID and GOD the FATHER, and hold on to that , and these DELUDED IDOLATROUS TRINITARIANS Will not be able to deceive you.
I agree, Gene. Let's keep it simple. As I understand it, the Trinity Doctrine states that there is one Godhead. This Godhead is one being shared by three co-eternal, co-equal persons:Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are all God, but each plays different roles.
But God is, “from everlasting to everlasting…” according to Moses in Psalm 90:2. And Jesus is, “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15)
In Romans 6:9 it says, “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…” This shows that Christ was not originally created immortal. He could, and did die. Doesn't this contradict the co-eternal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
And doesn't John 14:28, “the Father is greater than I” contradict the co-equal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
I have never heard any Trinitarian explain this away. Forget twisting other scrips, can any pro-trinity person out there tell me how the only two adjectives in your doctrine(co-equal and co-eternal) can be proved false by just two scrips?
And how can you search scrip after scrip trying to find something to help you reason out an explanation for something that is so utterly flawed from its very definition?
Other followers! He is our Shepherd and we are the sheep.
katjo
There is more but these scriptures might help you. Luke15;1-7
katjo
Hi Kat,
Indeed God calls all men to repentance.
It is the first step into the kingdom.Put aside the falsehoods of men and repent
mikeboil……….You have it right brother. We are told in 2 Ths2, that because they recieved not the love of the truth, (GOD) would send them strong (DELUSIONS) IN ORDER FRO THEM TO BELIEVE (A LIE) THAT LIE IS, THAT JESUS IS GOD. There is (NO) triune GOD , there is (ONE) GOD in ALL and THOUGH ALL> God was (IN) Christ Jesus reconciling the world to (HIMSELF), through Jesus , but that no more Makes Jesus a GOD then it did the prophets who GOD Spoke Through also, “For GOD spoke to us in times past through the prophets has in these latter days spoken to us through a Son. Neither Jesus or the Prophets GOD (SPOKE) (THROUGH). are GODS. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Gene, great minds must think alike. As you were posting your comment about prophets to me, I was posting a similar comment on “title confusion” or something like that. Funny
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 10 2009,09:53) Hi BD,
But you serve another god and another master.
Nick is right BD, when are you you going to come back to the Living GOD(HolySpirit).Mt:18:16: But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 10 2009,09:53) Hi BD,
But you serve another god and another master.
Nick is right BD, when are you you going to come back to the Living GOD(HolySpirit).Mt:18:16: But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Nick also believes that other gods exist, I have no such belief. There is ONLY ONE GOD according to GOD HIMSELF,Is God lying that there is no god but HIM?
Quote (mikeboll @ Jan. 31 2010,00:35) I agree, Gene. Let's keep it simple. As I understand it, the Trinity Doctrine states that there is one Godhead. This Godhead is one being shared by three co-eternal, co-equal persons:Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are all God, but each plays different roles. But God is, “from everlasting to everlasting…” according to Moses in Psalm 90:2. And Jesus is, “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15)
In Romans 6:9 it says, “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…” This shows that Christ was not originally created immortal. He could, and did die. Doesn't this contradict the co-eternal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
And doesn't John 14:28, “the Father is greater than I” contradict the co-equal part of the Trinity Doctrine?
I have never heard any Trinitarian explain this away. Forget twisting other scrips, can any pro-trinity person out there tell me how the only two adjectives in your doctrine(co-equal and co-eternal) can be proved false by just two scrips?
And how can you search scrip after scrip trying to find something to help you reason out an explanation for something that is so utterly flawed from its very definition?
MikeYou are new here, and I suggest that you go to the Trinity threads and catch up on what we Trinitarians do believe!
But for short…
Your questios has been answered many times here!
As far as Romans 6:9, here is the link of one discussion… Click here
As far as John 14:28 you might want to start Here
And Here!
Blessings WJ
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 10 2009,09:53) Hi BD,
But you serve another god and another master.
Nick is right BD, when are you you going to come back to the Living GOD(HolySpirit).Mt:18:16: But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Nick also believes that other gods exist, I have no such belief. There is ONLY ONE GOD according to GOD HIMSELF,Is God lying that there is no god but HIM?
That's why you are deluded, you believe satan (falsely) doesn't exist!
satan's got your mind in a 'hammerlock'; believing he (falsely) doesn't exist?Jer.2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods(to satan), which are yet no gods?
but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit(satan).
Be astonished(at this FACT: BD), O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid,
be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils;
they have forsaken me(YHVH) the fountain of living waters, and hewed
them out cisterns, broken cisterns(from satan), that can hold no water.Jer.10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods(satan) that have not made the heavens
and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.Jer.1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness,
who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods(satan),
and worshipped the works of their own hands(the 'book of fraud').Turn to the Living God and stop worshiping satan, it is profiting you NOTHING!
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,16:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 10 2009,09:53) Hi BD,
But you serve another god and another master.
Nick is right BD, when are you you going to come back to the Living GOD(HolySpirit).Mt:18:16: But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Nick also believes that other gods exist, I have no such belief. There is ONLY ONE GOD according to GOD HIMSELF,Is God lying that there is no god but HIM?
That's why you are deluded, you believe satan (falsely) doesn't exist!
satan's got your mind in a 'hammerlock'; believing he (falsely) doesn't exist?Jer.2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods(to satan), which are yet no gods?
but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit(satan).
Be astonished(at this FACT: BD), O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid,
be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils;
they have forsaken me(YHVH) the fountain of living waters, and hewed
them out cisterns, broken cisterns(from satan), that can hold no water.Jer.10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods(satan) that have not made the heavens
and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.Jer.1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness,
who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods(satan),
and worshipped the works of their own hands(the 'book of fraud').Turn to the Living God and stop worshiping satan, it is profiting you NOTHING!
Satan does exist ED but he is not GOD do you believe that Satan is God?There is no god but GOD.
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,12:01) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,10:02) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,09:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,09:24) Hi TT,
Many men thought they saw or spoke with God when they met with his spirits[angels]
Are you saying that Jacob was wrong?So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:30
Are you saying that spirits could take human form and not God who is also a spirit? Are you saying that spirits have more power than God?
thinker
Hi thethinker:God may be seen through the works that HE does, but He himself is invisible, and so, as Jesus has said “He who has seen me has seen the Father”. How have we seen the Father when we have seen Jesus? It is through the works of obedience to God's Word that we have seen the Father.
And so, others may have seen God through the works that He did in the OT as well, but:
Quote Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, [fn] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him]. Quote Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Jacob was told that he wrestled with God. Jacob replied saying, “I have seen God face to face.”
24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day.
25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him.
26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”
But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”
27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”
He said, “Jacob.”
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”
And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”You deny what the narrative says because you deny that God can become a man. The man with whom Jacob wrestled was God Himself in human form. Your argument is wholly presuppositional and is without any basis in exegesis.
thinker
Hi thethinker:Jacob thought he had seen God, and God did speak to him through the man, but Jesus said no man has seen God at any time.
He also said God is a Spirit. A Spirit is invisible, and cannot be seen except through the works done by the spirit. The scripture also state that God is invisible.
And so, if Jacob thought that he had seen God with the naked eye, he was wrong.
He did wrestle with God and man and prevailed. He was a deciever, as the name Jacob testifies, and he stole his brother's birthrite, and then his blessing, and he wrestled with Laban as he worked to earn Rachel as his wife, and he wrestle with God in that he repented and God changed his name to “Israel” which means “prince with God”.
This who Jacob saw:
Quote Gen 32:1 So Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
Gen 32:2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is God's camp.” And he called the name of that place Mahanaim. [fn]This is Jacob's prayer to God as he was about to meet with Esau:
Quote Gen 32:9 Then Jacob said, “O God of my father Abraham and God of my father Isaac, the LORD who said to me, 'Return to your country and to your family, and I will deal well with you':
Gen 32:10 I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies and of all the truth which You have shown Your servant; for I crossed over this Jordan with my staff, and now I have become two companies.
Gen 32:11 Deliver me, I pray, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau; for I fear him, lest he come and attack me [and] the mother with the children.
Gen 32:12 For You said, 'I will surely treat you well, and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.' “And so, do you get the picture as to why through the man that he wrestled God was speaking to him of having delivered him from the hand of Laban and Esau, and as Jacob obeyed God, his name was changed to Israel or prince with God.
Love in Christ,
MartyEd -Bodhitharta's God is your God- Are you saying that what I feel about Muslim people is false? It isnt. It never has been. Why would I be misled by The Lord when I put all of my trust in God? I have been warned against other things but this is not something I have ever been warned against. When I did ask in prayer about Islam, I was given the story of the obediant Rechabites. Jeremiah 35 . That was all.
I havent yet been led to actually become a Muslim.
Like I say to you Ed, I like what you do, I get what you say, your posts get my attention. I like you. But it is the same God.
karmarie, people will believe what they want to believe.
God is either the truth or he is not. He cannot be all those God's unless he is a contradiction.
Even logic dictates that there can be only one truth.
So I would say it boils down to two possibilities.
1) No one knows truth
2) the truth is known (most likely by those who are open to the truth).But it cannot be that all is the truth.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 01 2010,03:33) Ed -Bodhitharta's God is your God-
Karmarie,What if I came up to you and told you we both had the same father. When you asked me to describe “our father”, there were some common characteristics, but others were different. I said he was 6' 2″ while your father is 5' 10″. I said he had jet black hair (when younger) and your father had blonde hair. I said he spoke with an English accent, when you know your father has a flat Midwest American accent.
Would you agree with me that we had the same father, knowing these differences?
There are many differences between the described Muslim god and the Christian god. Why should anyone conclude they are the same god then?
Unlike your father though, DNA testing cannot be done to prove the truth of the matter. And neither the god of Islam or the god of Christianity seem to be willing to clarify the situation. Heck, neither god seems to be able to reign in the confusion amongst their own personal followers!
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