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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 02 2008,13:07) Quote (Irene @ July 02 2008,12:57) W.J.I will give you the one scripture that I like to show that there is not a trinity.
Ephesians 4:4-6
“There is one body, and one SPIRIT, just as we are called in one hope of your calling.
verse 5 “one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
verse 6 ” ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH US ALL AND IN US ALL.”VERSE 6 IS THE VERSE THAT PROVES THE TRINITY WRONG FOR SURE. THE TRINITY TEAXCHES 1IN3
GOD TEACHEAS THERE IS ONLY ONE, THE FATHER WHO IS ABOVE ALL.End of Story
Peace and Love Irene
IreneIts really sad that you have studied scriptures so long and think that your quote proves the Trinitarian view wrong.
Some day I pray that God will open your eyes to see Yeshua as God like the scriptures say he is.
And that you would begin to honour him as you honour the Father. He is worthy of your worship!
WJ
Hi WJ,
If the branch is one with the vine how can it worship the vine?
Surely both as one worship and serve the Vinedresser.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2008,05:55) Quote (dirtyknections @ July 03 2008,02:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1 Audio Help /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body.
2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.one Audio Help /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.
2. being a person, thing, or individual
3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.Question: can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?
Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity…
DKLast time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved.
Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure.
The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.
But I don't believe those things…so they are just as confused as you…(I may be a little confused also..but I am pointing fingers write now so lay off me
)
DKBut yet you fellowship with them?
I fellowship with you also..so what does that say?It says that if you love truth and are trying to walk with Christ..I judge not..I simply rejoice that Christ is being Preached..
Quote (dirtyknections @ July 05 2008,03:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2008,05:55) Quote (dirtyknections @ July 03 2008,02:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1 Audio Help /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body.
2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.one Audio Help /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.
2. being a person, thing, or individual
3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.Question: can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?
Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity…
DKLast time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved.
Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure.
The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.
But I don't believe those things…so they are just as confused as you…(I may be a little confused also..but I am pointing fingers write now so lay off me
)
DKBut yet you fellowship with them?
I fellowship with you also..so what does that say?It says that if you love truth and are trying to walk with Christ..I judge not..I simply rejoice that Christ is being Preached..
DKYes, but you wouldnt go to my church and sit under the ministry of a Trinitarian though would you?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2008,19:17) Quote (dirtyknections @ July 05 2008,03:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2008,05:55) Quote (dirtyknections @ July 03 2008,02:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1 Audio Help /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body.
2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.one Audio Help /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.
2. being a person, thing, or individual
3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.Question: can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?
Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity…
DKLast time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved.
Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure.
The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.
But I don't believe those things…so they are just as confused as you…(I may be a little confused also..but I am pointing fingers write now so lay off me
)
DKBut yet you fellowship with them?
I fellowship with you also..so what does that say?It says that if you love truth and are trying to walk with Christ..I judge not..I simply rejoice that Christ is being Preached..
DKYes, but you wouldnt go to my church and sit under the ministry of a Trinitarian though would you?
WJ
Sure would…I don't have a problem following Hebrews 10:24, 25 with you..You are my brother WJ…Hi brother WJ,
I am also attending only the Trinitarian church called NLAG(New Life Assembly of God) Church. I do enjoy their worship because we are all the members of God's Universal Church.
peace to all
AdamHi brother,
Our doctrines will not save us and I am confident that most of our doctrines are not deviating from the ultimate requirement for our Salvation. God is the one who is calling us with His eternal purpose and Election I am not afraid of any false doctrine which can nullify God's working in His Children.
Blessings
AdamPlease don't misinterpret my words. No tradition can save us except God. I have not come to this God through any tradition or doctrine. All our debates are present my friend. God is able to protect His children in the midst of all these confusions. I believe He is able and faithful nothing can separate us from the love of Christ.
Blessings
AdamAdam……Amen brother, if we are trusting in God and Jesus what doe we have to fear, it's the unbelievers that are fearful..And will have their part in the lake of Fire it says. But we walk in confidence and trust in the living God who is able to Keep us and bless us.
peace and love to you and your family Adam…………gene
I know brother and I am aware of them but the one who is in me is greater than the one who is influencing those false religions.
Thanks to both brother Gene and Nick.
AdamTo deny the Trinity is to deny the Bible and Christianity.
The Trinity is as real as I am alive at this moment.
Hi TaA,
Where is this trinity taught in the bible?
Was it taught by Jesus?If not why should we believe you?
NIV Bible committee(team) says it is revealed by Jesus in Baptismal formula of Matt 28:19.
Is it correct?Quote (Theologian-and-Apologist @ July 14 2008,09:24) To deny the Trinity is to deny the Bible and Christianity. The Trinity is as real as I am alive at this moment.
Sorry to hear of your passing.Quote (gollamudi @ July 16 2008,02:07) NIV Bible committee(team) says it is revealed by Jesus in Baptismal formula of Matt 28:19.
Is it correct?
It is very easily provable that Mathew was originally written in Hebrew. In order to undestand the meaning of this verse you must translate back to the hebrew.Disciple = Follower
Name = Character trait
Father = He who gives strength to the family.
Son = offspring who is like the father
Holy = Set asside for a special purpose
Spirit = breath/ source of life
Baptize = emmerse (Gr)With these understandings in place look at the verse again.
Go therefore and make followers of all the nations, immersing them in the character traits of the one who gives strength to the family and of his offspring who is like Him and of the special breath which is set asside for the purpose of being the source of life.
The “Great Commission” is neither a Trinitarian proof text nor even a complete water baptism verse. Water baptism is only a shadow of the deeper emersion we are to have in the Character of God as shown through His son Jesus.
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