The Trinity Doctrine

[Proclaimer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,03:04)

Hi t8 Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,18:06) Jesus was and is worshiped/honored as the son of God and the lamb of God. Nowhere in scripture is he worshiped/honored as God. Maybe you can show me a scripture that says they “worshipped/honoured” God as God”! You are assuming, because if Yeshua is being worshipped as God then that is because he is God. The burden of proof is on you, for what we do have is about 17 times in scripture that the NT writers used the same word ‘PROSKUNEO” for the worship of Yeshua that Yeshua used for the true worship of the Father. Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,18:06) So no point in arguing that he is worshiped as God is there? Then why are you arguing that he is not?

WJ.

Jesus is not worshiped as God, but the son of God and the lamb of God.

God is worshiped as God, and not as the son of God or the Lamb of God.

Jesus taught us to worship the Father for he seeks worshipers.

I am arguing that he wasn't worshiped as God because scripture doesn't say that he is worshiped as God. If you say that, then you are adding your own interpretation to scripture and therefore you are arguing that he is worshiped as God, with no scriptural basis for saying that he is/was worshiped as the Most High.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say
“Yeshua made this statement after Phil 2, when he was rich and became poor for us by taking on the likeness of sinful flesh and being found in fashion as a man Humbled himself even to the death of the cross.”

In what way was he then rich?
He had already taken on the likeness of our sinful flesh.

and how did he become poor?

[Not3in1]

rank1 Audio Help /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body.
2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.

one Audio Help /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.
2. being a person, thing, or individual
3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.

Question: can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?

[gollamudi]

Hi Mandy,
To whom this question is pointed to?

[dirtyknections]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24)

rank1   Audio Help   /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body. 2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.   one   Audio Help   /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.   2. being a person, thing, or individual   3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.   Question:  can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?

Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity…

[NickHassan]

Hi,
It is unwise to deny the Son of God.
We must beleive in him as well as God[Jn14]
No mention of having to believe in a third person God.

So the Son is not his own Father God.

[Not3in1]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 27 2008,02:28)

Hi Mandy, To whom this question is pointed to?

There was something in WJ's previous post to mine that made me ponder “rank” and the fact that God is One.

Anyway, the question was for anyone who cared to answer.

[Not3in1]

In my sincere study of the scriptures – wanting to find the Trinity there – I realized that God is a jealous God and he will NOT share his glory with another.

The glory assigned to the Son is that of the Only begotten Son, not Creator. There are some verses that seem to point to Jesus being God, but certainly not as many that point to the fact that there are literally three persons in One God. In fact, there are NO scriptures that say God is a triune God. This idea has to be deduced and quilted together with other scriptures to create this theology.

The OT children praised One God (one person).
The NT children praised One God (one person) who gave such authority to a man (Jesus).

The ideas surrounding a three-in-one, and the absurd ideas of incarnation have been built upon for millennia. There is no need to build upon the ideas surrounding One God who is the Father of all.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24)

rank1   Audio Help   /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body. 2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.   one   Audio Help   /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.   2. being a person, thing, or individual   3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.   Question:  can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God?

Hi Mandy

There can if the scriptures say there can!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1   Audio Help   /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body. 2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.   one   Audio Help   /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.   2. being a person, thing, or individual   3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.   Question:  can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God? Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity…

DK

Last time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved.

Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure.

The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.

[gollamudi]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,05:44)

In my sincere study of the scriptures – wanting to find the Trinity there – I realized that God is a jealous God and he will NOT share his glory with another. The glory assigned to the Son is that of the Only begotten Son, not Creator.  There are some verses that seem to point to Jesus being God, but certainly not as many that point to the fact that there are literally three persons in One God.  In fact, there are NO scriptures that say God is a triune God.  This idea has to be deduced and quilted together with other scriptures to create this theology. The OT children praised One God (one person). The NT children praised One God (one person) who gave such authority to a man (Jesus). The ideas surrounding a three-in-one, and the absurd ideas of incarnation have been built upon for millennia.  There is no need to build upon the ideas surrounding One God who is the Father of all.

Hi Mandy,
Nothing better than this can be told on Trinity myth.
Love to you
Adam

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,05:44)

In my sincere study of the scriptures – wanting to find the Trinity there – I realized that God is a jealous God and he will NOT share his glory with another. The glory assigned to the Son is that of the Only begotten Son, not Creator.  There are some verses that seem to point to Jesus being God, but certainly not as many that point to the fact that there are literally three persons in One God.  In fact, there are NO scriptures that say God is a triune God.  This idea has to be deduced and quilted together with other scriptures to create this theology. The OT children praised One God (one person). The NT children praised One God (one person) who gave such authority to a man (Jesus). The ideas surrounding a three-in-one, and the absurd ideas of incarnation have been built upon for millennia.  There is no need to build upon the ideas surrounding One God who is the Father of all.

Hi not3,
Yes God does GIVE many things to His son during and after his successful mission. But some seem to think he always had these things as some sort of equal of God's.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15)

The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.

That's right. Scripture teaches us that there is one God the Father. God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Babylon had a Trinity too. Says it all doesn't it?

Either the Father is the one true God or the Trinity is.

I choose what scripture reveals and that is the Father is the one true God.

[Irene]

W.J.I will give you the one scripture that I like to show that there is not a trinity.
Ephesians 4:4-6
“There is one body, and one SPIRIT, just as we are called in one hope of your calling.
verse 5 “one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
verse 6 ” ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH US ALL AND IN US ALL.”

VERSE 6 IS THE VERSE THAT PROVES THE TRINITY WRONG FOR SURE. THE TRINITY TEAXCHES 1IN3
GOD TEACHEAS THERE IS ONLY ONE, THE FATHER WHO IS ABOVE ALL.

End of Story
Peace and Love Irene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Irene @ July 02 2008,12:57)

W.J.I will give you the one scripture that I like to show that there is not a trinity. Ephesians 4:4-6 “There is one body, and one SPIRIT, just as we are called in one hope of your calling. verse 5 “one Lord, one faith, one baptism. verse 6 ” ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH US ALL AND IN US ALL.” VERSE 6 IS THE VERSE THAT PROVES THE TRINITY WRONG FOR SURE. THE TRINITY TEAXCHES 1IN3 GOD TEACHEAS THERE IS ONLY ONE, THE FATHER WHO IS ABOVE ALL. End of Story Peace and Love Irene

Irene

Its really sad that you have studied scriptures so long and think that your quote proves the Trinitarian view wrong.

Some day I pray that God will open your eyes to see Yeshua as God like the scriptures say he is.

And that you would begin to honour him as you honour the Father. He is worthy of your worship!

WJ

[Proclaimer]

There is one true God and it also says that there is one God the Father.

Nowhere is it revealed that there is one God, the Father, Son, Spirit. That is the invention of man and probably a doctrine of demons.

God judged Babylon and he will judge Mystery Babylon in the last days.

Idolatry is wrong and God hates it.

Making idols with your hands to worhip, or re-creating God into a tri-God will not be tolerated forever.

[GeneBalthrop]

t8………..Amen to that.

peace …….gene

[dirtyknections]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15)

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1   Audio Help   /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body. 2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.   one   Audio Help   /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.   2. being a person, thing, or individual   3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.   Question:  can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God? Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity… DK Last time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved. Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure. The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods.

But I don't believe those things…so they are just as confused as you…

(I may be a little confused also..but I am pointing fingers write now so lay off me )

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (t8 @ July 02 2008,16:53)

There is one true God and it also says that there is one God the Father. Nowhere is it revealed that there is one God, the Father, Son, Spirit. That is the invention of man and probably a doctrine of demons. God judged Babylon and he will judge Mystery Babylon in the last days. Idolatry is wrong and God hates it. Making idols with your hands to worhip, or re-creating God into a tri-God will not be tolerated forever.

t8

I pray for you as I do Irene. That he will show you there are no other “gods” or divine beings but one.

The Lord says you are not to even make mention of any.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (dirtyknections @ July 03 2008,02:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2008,10:15) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2008,02:24) rank1   Audio Help   /ræŋk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[rangk] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a number of persons forming a separate class in a social hierarchy or in any graded body. 2. a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.   one   Audio Help   /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.   2. being a person, thing, or individual   3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.   Question:  can there be “rank” inside of the “one” God? Of course not Mandy…WJ knows this..but he chooses to still follow the Pagan Babylonian,Egyptian, Greek Trinity… DK Last time I looked Watch tower has many pegan beliefs like Yeshua was Michael, or the Word was “a god” or if you are not a member of the JW church you are not saved. Pagan, Babyloniash, and Egyptian, and unscriptural concepts for sure. The Paganistic Babyloniash, and Egyptian religions believed in many gods. But I don't believe those things…so they are just as confused as you… (I may be a little confused also..but I am pointing fingers write now so lay off me   )

DK

But yet you fellowship with them?

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