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Hi GB,
So tell us what the apostles did or said that showed the ignorance and immaturity you spoke of.To all……..Fully man and Fully God is an (OXYMORON) If you believe that then is there such thing as a square circles or hot ice. “God is Not a Man that He should LIE or a (Son of Man) that He should repent”, I believe Jesus called Himself (Son Of Man) right.
Peace……………..gene
I have no idea how that post landed here I wrote for the people debating with t8.and hit the quick post and it landed here.
Nick………read what i posted and figure it out for yourself if you can.
peace………..gene
gollmaudi………those who dishonor Jesus by saying He was not (TRULY) the second Adam not dishonor Him but Dishonor Paul, who chose to compare Jesus as a second Adam. But continue to go with the scriptures specifically say and you won't get caught up in these preexistences and Trinitarian log jams. Remember if it not there don't try to make it be there as they do.
Peace to you and yours……….gene
Hi GB,
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—Romans 5:14
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.So the first Adam sinned and became the author of death for all
but the second did not sin and became the fountain of eternal life?Anything else?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 06 2008,14:08) gollmaudi………those who dishonor Jesus by saying He was not (TRULY) the second Adam not dishonor Him but Dishonor Paul, who chose to compare Jesus as a second Adam. But continue to go with the scriptures specifically say and you won't get caught up in these preexistences and Trinitarian log jams. Remember if it not there don't try to make it be there as they do. Peace to you and yours……….gene
Hi GB,
Paul was worthy of honour.
He baptised in water..does that not make him less in your view?Hi GB,
This is what you said
“Nick……The Apostles all baptized with water at first, they were new in the faith and were growing in understanding all the time from a Carnal way of looking at things to a Spiritual way of seeing things.”Perhaps we have misunderstood what you meant but at first glance it seems you think Paul was still carnal in his work and understandings.
Hi Gb,
Also you said
“Nick……….As i said before the apostles were still babes when the church began , but Peter plainly grow in spiritual understanding and got to a point where He said that the baptism of washing of the filth of the flesh did not remove sin, but the baptism of the Spirit does remove sin and cleans us inside. You can view things two ways, Spiritual or Physical, you choice.”Should we throw out their teachings then if they are shown to vary and evolve, to change and so to be unreliable as a doctrinal base? God is not a God of confusion so it seems you say they are not inspired by the Spirit of God.
Can we honour men as you said we should if this is the case?
Gollmaudi….. You as well as i know Jesus was a true exact copy of the first Adam, thats why he is referenced as a (SECOND) ADAM . there was no difference between Him and the first Adam or Paul couldn't have used that example< he would have been lying, to say he was when in reality he wasn't'.
Paul know fully well Jesus was a Purely Human being who Had been given God's Spirit Who God perfected to be the First to totally Image Him. Paul also know there was (ONE) Baptism not two or three of the Spirit, that saves us.
I am glad you read the post of Pastor Adam about John 1:1.It was straight forward and fairly accurate.Also I want you to Know I have mailed you some books and my papers on the trinity and the man of sin, and some of Issac Newton wittings and other articles I have studied. Hop you find them helpful.
love and peace to you and yours………gene
Hi GB,
ADAM means MAN
Second Adam, second man.
It is beyond revelation to say this infers exactitude in similarity.
But he is the man from heaven.You elevate Paul having denigrated him?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 06 2008,14:57) You as well as i know Jesus was a true exact copy of the first Adam, thats why he is referenced as a (SECOND) ADAM . there was no difference between Him and the first Adam or Paul couldn't have used that example< he would have been lying, to say he was when in reality he wasn't'.
Hi Gene,I agree with Nick here in that the first Adam was from the earth, while the second Adam was from heaven. This is a huge difference, bro. It appears that their origins are different or something? What is your take on those scriptures? Thanks.
Not3in1……Both Adams were from God There both called sons of God. the reference made by the second Adam was heavenly was to show God was indwelling Jesus and the First Adam Had a Carnal mind and the Second Adam was given a spiritual Mind BY he Holy Spirit that was given Him, so he was considered Heavenly. That is the only difference one was carnal minded and the other was Spiritual minded. Both were flesh and blood and brought forth by God in their appointed times.
Jesus was simple another Human being who the Father brought into existence at the appointed time and and God Perfected Him Thats how he (LEARNED OBEDIENCE) by the things He suffered, If it says He Learned it then He did not know it before He learned it right. Jesus did not preexist before his berth except in the plan and will of God.
Mandy you already know that.
peace to you and your…………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 06 2008,14:57) Gollmaudi….. You as well as i know Jesus was a true exact copy of the first Adam, thats why he is referenced as a (SECOND) ADAM . there was no difference between Him and the first Adam or Paul couldn't have used that example< he would have been lying, to say he was when in reality he wasn't'. Paul know fully well Jesus was a Purely Human being who Had been given God's Spirit Who God perfected to be the First to totally Image Him. Paul also know there was (ONE) Baptism not two or three of the Spirit, that saves us.
I am glad you read the post of Pastor Adam about John 1:1.It was straight forward and fairly accurate.Also I want you to Know I have mailed you some books and my papers on the trinity and the man of sin, and some of Issac Newton wittings and other articles I have studied. Hop you find them helpful.
love and peace to you and yours………gene
Hi Gene,
I appreciate your concern for me my brother. God has given me Spirit of understanding with broad mind to listen to the sound doctrine of you and few other brothers and sisters in this forum. I will gothrough the material you have mailed to me.
I am very much grateful to you for that.
Peace to you
Adam
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