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Nick………..Did you miss what it says' ” For (BY) ONE Spirit (WE ARE ALL BAPTIZED)INTO ONE BODY> Its a spiritual Baptism , come on can't you even see that. It has nothing to do with water baptism. John's baptism was a (WATER baptism) the HOLY SPIRIT IS A SPIRITUAL BAPTISM.
One is of the flesh and one is of the Spirit and the only one needed is the SPIRITUAL BAPTISM . You can be Baptized in water a million times and it won't do you ANY Good. It's not what counts, it's SPIRITUAL BAPTISM the Counts.
IMO…………gene
Hi GB,
Indeed as Spirit baptism is specified here it is what is being referred to.
But you should not assume other unspecified baptisms in scripture refer to it.Nick……….And you should not assume that other baptisms are needed either, especially when in scripture Paul said there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM . And considering what Jesus and John said also.
IMO………….gene
Nick………i have said before most people here just take snap shot of scriptures and do not take the Sum of God's word into consideration most of the time. I have seen that done with people saying things like Jesus is the (WORD) when Jesus said they weren't His words He was speaking to us. They simply ignore the rest of the scriptures to get their point across.
IMO………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 03 2008,14:07) Nick……….And you should not assume that other baptisms are needed either, especially when in scripture Paul said there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM . And considering what Jesus and John said also. IMO………….gene
Hi GB,
Where in scripture does it say there is ONLY ONE baptism?Nick…… if you are so dense you can't realize what it says and understand it there is simply no point discussing the issue with you. But i do believe you see it, but your pride won't let you admit your wrong in your assumptions. So go ahead and believe it's water baptism that saves you then. I and Paul and John, and Jesus, believe it's a Baptism of the Spirit that saves you.
I don't want to play your foolish mindless games………..sorry…………gene
Why brother, Nick you want catch silly things and argue?
Please see the totallity not in fragments as Gene was telling.
AdamHi GB,
I will know you are safely back on track when you humble yourself and restore the reputation of the anointed apostles and acknowledge the written saving plan of God for men.Nick………when have i defamed the Apostles, by saying they were growing in understanding about spiritual things as the went along. Have you resorted now to lying about my views. I really believe you need to humble yourself and realize you can't understand the difference between some physical things and spiritual things. Whats Most important is our spiritual understanding.
And as you said the reputation of the (ANOINTED) apostles , were they anointed with water when they were baptized or were they Baptized with SPIRIT, which anointing are you referring to or do you know the difference. You don't seem to.
IMO…………..gene
I'm sorry but it seems you guys ar going around in circles…
Gene and gollamundi…say that “baptism” in the spirit saves…but water baptism is ok long as the person being baptized recognizes that its the baptism of the spirit that saves (correct if i'm wrong)
Nick says water baptism is necessary while still saying that the baptism of the spirit is what ultimately saves…basically you should do both if at all possible..(correct me if i'm wrong)
Its essentially the same comments, whats different is where you are placing the emphasis (correct me if i'm wrong)
Just to chime in…I too believe “baptism in the spirit” is what ultimately saves you…but I do not believe that it negates the need for water baptism….the apostles and disciples practiced it…and likewise so should we…whats important though is that we realize that water baptism can do nothing for us apart from the spirit…
Simply put..if their was no water..could I be saved? YES…without a doubt…but if there is water I personally feel it necessary to outwardly show, thru this humble act, the dedication I have to God…
To sum up:
Baptism in spirit—> then water baptism to outwardly show what has taken place between myself and the spirit of God
DK……right i never said it was wrong to water Baptize, but that baptism is not the baptism that saves you, it's the Baptism of the Spirit that save a person. And thats the ONE Baptism Paul was talking about.
It's not hard to see what i was saying, but NICK loves to argue and starts these mindless games to try to prove he has a better understand when in fact He seems to only be able to just take snap shots of scriptures like many do here, but we are told “The Sum of God's Word is Truth. Not little snap shots here and there.
thanks for seeing my point anyway……peace to you……….gene
Hey Gene…
I can clearly see the spirit working in you both…I just thank God for the thoughts…(although I don't agree with everyones)…that you all express here…it personally helps me by letting me see alternative points of reason…which in turn causes me to sometimes test and retest my understandings…most of the time i see no reason for change…in the cases where i do..i pray that God further convicts my heart to what I need to know…
So blessings to you and Nick both….and everyone else here for that matter
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,04:06) DK……right i never said it was wrong to water Baptize, but that baptism is not the baptism that saves you, it's the Baptism of the Spirit that save a person. And thats the ONE Baptism Paul was talking about. It's not hard to see what i was saying, but NICK loves to argue and starts these mindless games to try to prove he has a better understand when in fact He seems to only be able to just take snap shots of scriptures like many do here, but we are told “The Sum of God's Word is Truth. Not little snap shots here and there.
thanks for seeing my point anyway……peace to you……….gene
Hi GB,
Hearing what you believe is not hard.
But finding scriptural support for your opinions is.The apostles worked and wrote in the anointing of God's Holy spirit.
It is a brave man who would deny that anointing.
Do not deny the Spirit of our God.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2008,03:50) Nick………when have i defamed the Apostles, by saying they were growing in understanding about spiritual things as the went along. Have you resorted now to lying about my views. I really believe you need to humble yourself and realize you can't understand the difference between some physical things and spiritual things. Whats Most important is our spiritual understanding. And as you said the reputation of the (ANOINTED) apostles , were they anointed with water when they were baptized or were they Baptized with SPIRIT, which anointing are you referring to or do you know the difference. You don't seem to.
IMO…………..gene
Hi Gb,
Does the “growing in understanding” of the anointed men of God mean that thier actions and words were wrong? Does that mean that sections of scripture are wrong?Do we now have greater understandings that make these pioneers seem ignorant and immature? Claiming superior knowledge is a sign Paul warned us about among the false apostles.
You cut your self loose from their shared anointing if you decry their work done in God. They are part of the body and we must join with them, not despise them.
There is only one Spirit uniting the sons of God and that Spirit is essential. But Scripture never says that was all we needed for salvation but warned us to test the spirits.
Hi,
It was opinion loosely based on scripture that led to the heretical trinity dogma in the first place.
We need to honour and safeguard the sacred scriptures and take care not to step beyond the safety of those boundaries.
That is how we avoid the influence of the clever corrupting spirits and maintain fellowship with the Father and the Son.[2Jn]Nick………true but when you deny scriptures plainly quoted to you and look for something to change to over all subject matters as you do, that makes it a little sinister, especially when you just take little pieces of scriptures and try to prove your right with them, and use it to dodge the issues being discussed, and over exaggerate what a person says.
Lets take what i said about the apostles were growing and learning things as the went along, you pushing it to where i am some how dishonoring them. Now to prove what i said was right, some of the apostles were still requiring circumcision and Paul had a pretty big dispute with Peter when Peter was being hypercritical by separating Himself from the gentiles when the Jew came calling.
So to say they were still learning is not a put down to them as you try to make it out to be.
And YOU should honor and safeguard the true intension of the scriptures and not step beyond the safety of those boundaries yourself. So who's doing that here (YOU) perhaps. Who made you the decider of what over stepping is, or what honoring or dishonoring .
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