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Nick…… We are not transformed by the spirit of Jesus Christ, we are transformed by the same spirit Jesus had in Him. The word (of) means here the same Spirit Jesus Had. Not from Jesus. But from the Father. Are we on the same page with this.
peace brother……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,17:05) Nick….So when John said “NOW we are the SON'S of God He didn't mean it right. Nick i am trying to follow you brother but i think you may be in the maze.
love and peace ……gene
Hi GB,
Why would you think that?
John's letters always speak to reborn sons.
He shows what we should have become if we are established.Hi GB,
The Spirit of Jesuis is the Spirit of God given to him and we can share in that Spirit.[Rom8]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,17:14) Nick…… We are not transformed by the spirit of Jesus Christ, we are transformed by the same spirit Jesus had in Him. The word (of) means here the same Spirit Jesus Had. Not from Jesus. But from the Father. Are we on the same page with this. peace brother……………gene
2 Corinthians 13:5
Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you–unless indeed you fail the test?The Father in Jesus and Jesus in the Father and Jesus disciples in each other and in the Father and Son.
Unity of the Spirit.
Not meant as some doctrine that they are the same being.
One in Spirit.
Two divine beings huh? I thought there was only one. No one is like YHWH t8.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,So much for Henotheism….
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,19:30) Two divine beings huh? I thought there was only one. No one is like YHWH t8. Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,So much for Henotheism….
Actually probably millions partaking in divine nature.
Praise God.
Being a “partaker” in the divine nature does not, to my mind, intimate that the divine nature is to be permanently and irrevocably conferred on the believer, that it will become intrinsic to us. It seems to me that the very word he used (partakers – koinonos) argues against this notion. Someone does not become, or take on, the thing in which they “partake” in. When Paul warns the Corinthians against being “participants” with demons, it's obvious from the context that he does not imagine there is a tangible risk that that demonic nature would become intrinsic to them. And certainly the semantic range of “koinonos” does allow for the idea of participating, or fellowshipping in, something temporarily. Being a “partaker” in the context of 2 Peter 1:4 may simply mean that believers would one day 'experience' God. Alternatively, it may very well be a present-tense reference to believers taking on the qualities and attributes of Christ, by virtue of us being “born again” into Him. I think this later interpretation is supported by the later part of the verse:
“For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.”
The past tense word “escaped” denotes something that has already taken place. Peter, far from anticipating something, appears to be affirming that the “participation” provides a means of escape in this life from the “corruption in the world caused by evil desires.”. This theme that is pressed even further in the next verse – “Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge”. The context here switches to the present tense, the here and now, and the verbs Peter used were manifestly present tense. Many scholars hold to this view. At any rate there is more than enough doubt in the verse as to invalidate it’s viability as a supporting crutch for your Mormonesque view that we will be become divine beings in the next life. We are human and will always be as such. This notion of the post-resurrection deification of believers runs completely counter to biblical revelation on monotheism. So an appeal to this verse as a means of equating Yeshua’s “divine” nature with ours, thereby downplaying it (for Yeshua), unwittingly evokes polytheism, only from another angle.
From (with modifications): https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….75;st=0t8, rather than just citing this verse ad nauseum, I would appreciate it if you would address the points I've made here. I think you have misinterpreted it. Prove me wrong.
Blessings
Jesus partook of flesh.
He became like us.
We can partake in divine nature.
Guess who we can be like?
Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;So Jesus who has divine nature partakes of flesh nature and we who are of flesh nature can partake of divine nature.
Isn't that great. Jesus is truly our brother, not the Most High God and God is our Father, not brother anyway.
Is: those scriptures are not really for slandering those who believe it.
But persecution is fine from my point of view, it leads to blessing because the Pharisees also persecuted Christ and I am honoured to suffer in the same way as him. Although that suffering is nothing compared to what he went through admittedly.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,19:30) Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Is Yeshua like YHWH t8?, you say they both have divine nature, how do you reconcile that notion with what YHWH says in Is 46:9?God obviously shares his nature as he does his Spirit.
Remember that there is one Spirit, and yet that Spirit is in many and in addition if we recieve the Spirit, then we are not the Spirit that we receive.
Similarly God shares his nature, and therefore it is not hard to grasp that we are not YHWH because we receive or partake in YHWH nature.
But the part that you seem to miss is that God is the originator of all, and we and Jesus are recipients. That is the explanation.
So there is one God the Father FROM where all things came/come and one Lord Jesus Christ THROUGH who all things came/come.
It is written.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2008,20:46) So was YHWH lying when He said there is no one like Him?
Well the whole point is that we are to be like God, so does that make God a liar?My guess is that there is no one from where all things came. Even Jesus cannot claim that because all things came through him. He is no the originator.
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Yes Jesus is like God because he chooses God's will over his own and to only say and do that which he sees the Father saying and doing. And we can be like God too as we are made in his image and he has given us his Spirit.
I think that it isn't too hard to see that there are some things that God has and is that no one is like and not even the image of God can claim.
Thanks for listening.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,15:37) Nick……….it's becoming clear you don't know the difference between Jesus an the Spirit that was in Him the Word Christ Means (the Anointed,) now what do you think He was anointed with, was it His self or the Spirit of God. And if you don't think the spirit of God is what changes you and gives you a new nature you really don't understand conversion at all. Jesus is call (the Christ) do you know what that means. What do you think the Spirit of His Son is, is it not God the Fathers Spirit that was in Jesus or do you think Jesus had His own special spirit that we recieve from Him apart form God.
You seen to think you repent you way into salvation on your own, Free Will, not giving the Spirit of God the Credit for anything. Tell me what do you think comes first, repentance, forgiveness, cleansing, tell me the order of these things .
IMO……gene
Wonderful post Gene,
I now can understand clearly that the Spirit which we have in us is the same Spirit which was in Jesus, the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of anointing. That's why Paul tells in Gal 4:5, ” God has given to you the Spirit of His son ….therefore you are calling Him Abba Father”. I used to understand this verse that it is Jesus spirit literally. But I now can understand it is God's Spirit which was also in Jesus.
Thank you very much brother
AdamGollmaudi……….We are all saved by one Spirit from one God and Father of all, it's just that simple, there is only One Spirit, One Baptism, One God the Father , and ONE Mediator between God and Man, the (MAN) Jesus, it all just that simple. Why is there (ONLY ONE) so that ONE GOD may in (ALL) and through (ALL) by (ONE SPIRIT).
Jesus Said the Father (IN ME) (HE) doth the works and that Same Father is In ALL who have (HIS SPIRIT) in then, and they are (NOW) SONS OF GOD, and JOINT HEIRS with Jesus their Brother. We are (NOW) begotten of GOD the same way Jesus Was and BY the Same Spirit that Begot Him, or what does John mean when he says “For His Seed abides in you”, That seed is GOD the Father's Spirit. And (IF) the spirit of Him who raised Christ Jesus from the Grave (ABIDES) in YOU, (IT) shall ALSO (like it did Jesus), Quicken your mortal body.
Its all simple, only preexistences and trinitarians keep mudding up the water by their false assumptions and are causing a log jam in the Gospel message with all their unprovable doctrine's and misquotations. Neither can they not see themselves but cause others also, with their damnable Heresies.
It always amazes me who someone can come along a just see and understand so clearly and so simply, with out hardly much theological studying having taken place, and to be able to see through all the confusion, in indeed a miracle of God and it's AMAZING to me.
God has blessed you and given you this Adam. He may have plans for you in INDIA. And as you see him at work in your lives and the people around you, it will also AMAZE YOU.
Love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Thank you very much my brother Gene,
for your kind words, infact you are absolutely right I am an ordinary man who has not attended any seminary or a scholar in theological college. God is blessing me with such understanding through brothers like you.
Peace to you
AdamQuote (Gene Balthrop @ June 03 2008,03:25) Gollmaudi……….We are all saved by one Spirit from one God and Father of all, it's just that simple, there is only One Spirit, One Baptism, One God the Father , and ONE Mediator between God and Man, the (MAN) Jesus, it all just that simple. Why is there (ONLY ONE) so that ONE GOD may in (ALL) and through (ALL) by (ONE SPIRIT). Jesus Said the Father (IN ME) (HE) doth the works and that Same Father is In ALL who have (HIS SPIRIT) in then, and they are (NOW) SONS OF GOD, and JOINT HEIRS with Jesus their Brother. We are (NOW) begotten of GOD the same way Jesus Was and BY the Same Spirit that Begot Him, or what does John mean when he says “For His Seed abides in you”, That seed is GOD the Father's Spirit. And (IF) the spirit of Him who raised Christ Jesus from the Grave (ABIDES) in YOU, (IT) shall ALSO (like it did Jesus), Quicken your mortal body.
Its all simple, only preexistences and trinitarians keep mudding up the water by their false assumptions and are causing a log jam in the Gospel message with all their unprovable doctrine's and misquotations. Neither can they not see themselves but cause others also, with their damnable Heresies.
It always amazes me who someone can come along a just see and understand so clearly and so simply, with out hardly much theological studying having taken place, and to be able to see through all the confusion, in indeed a miracle of God and it's AMAZING to me.
God has blessed you and given you this Adam. He may have plans for you in INDIA. And as you see him at work in your lives and the people around you, it will also AMAZE YOU.
Love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Hi GB,
We are all saved by one Spirit?
Is this written?We must be born again of water and the Spirit.
We must die before we can be resurrected.[rom6]Nick……if you don't even know that you need to totally reevaluate you belief system.
You really don't know that it's the spirit of God that Saves us. And is given by THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD> 1 CO 12:13…> “for by (ONE) Spirit, are we all BAPTIZED onto (ONE) body, whether bond or free; and have been (ALL) made to drink into; (ONE SPIRIT).Nick ….i am beginning to think you just like to argue no matter what it is.
IMO……………gene
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