The Trinity Doctrine

[NickHassan]

Quote (Dasgooey @ May 30 2008,00:53)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2008,13:50) Hi DG, Romans was written to the SAVED. Check Ch1. Nick, Could you explain then if we just repent and dont except christ as our savior how we are saved. Are we  not saved through christ. So if you dont accept christ then repenting would be useless. There is a whole group of people “the Jews” that dont accept christ as their savior but im sure they repent. What about them. They are a God fearing people but they dont accept christ.

Hi DG,
Let the bible teach.
What does the bible say?
Peter spoke of salvation at Pentecost.
Has he become a liar or are his words not anointed?
Where does the bible say ACCEPTING CHRIST saves anyone?

To know of God and His Christ is vital information-true.
Actions taken in support of that information matter more to God.

[chipwhite]

Hello again Nick I wonder what these scriptures are saying about who's name we are to be baptized in. (since you brought up the scripture)
The Account of the day of Pentacost in Acts Chapt 2:

Act 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Act 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

Act 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

I guess were the ones who are far or the children. But irregardless, it was when he was full of the Holy Spirit that he baptised 3,000 jews into the name of Jesus Christ. ( Had they not already received the baptism of John? {one of repentance} Yet this baptism was with the fire of the Holy Spirit.) What would be the difference from the baptisms done before Christ's death and then after? Your Brother in Christ Chip.

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

you say peter talked about salvation at the pentecost. Thats true.
Paul talked about salvation in Romans.

You said Romans were written to saved people. Ok. As believers we are called to spread the Good News to all the earth. Are you going to write a letter to saved people telling them how to be saved as in the Romans 10:10 and 10:9 and 10:13. If not whats the point of those passages.

Romans 10:10 says “With the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.”
So your right that repenting as peter talked about in Acts is part of salvation.

And if you read Romans 10:9 “If you confess with your mouth, “jesus is lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
And if you read Romans 10:13 “For everone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

John 3:3 says I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

John 3:5 says “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

So what does that tell you? I believe that it says believing in Christ is the first step. Accepting Christ as your lord and savior is Being born again so that you can see the kingdom of heaven.

Second is repenting and being baptized so that you can enter the kingdom of heaven.

If someone doesn’t make that first step repent will do nothing without believing first.

So what would you tell someone who is not saved?
Would you tell them to just repent your sins and they will be forgiven?
Or would you tell them to believe in Christ and accept in as your lord and savior then repent your sins so that they can be forgiven through Christ?

You can repent your sins all day long but if your not going through Jesus Christ what is it good for. Does it accomplish anything if you do not know Jesus Christ as your Lord?

[NickHassan]

Quote (chipwhite @ May 30 2008,08:03)

Hello again Nick I wonder what these scriptures are saying about who's name we are to be baptized in. (since you brought up the scripture) The Account of the day of Pentacost in Acts Chapt 2: Act 2:36   “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Act 2:37   When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Act 2:38   Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Act 2:39   The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.” I guess were the ones who are far or the children. But irregardless, it was when he was full of the Holy Spirit that he baptised 3,000 jews into the name of Jesus Christ. ( Had they not already received the baptism of John? {one of repentance} Yet this baptism was with the fire of the Holy Spirit.) What would be the difference from the baptisms done before Christ's death and then after? Your Brother in Christ Chip.

Hi chip,
Read on in Acts and see how the baptisms in Water [eg the Eunuch]and of the Spirit[eg acts 19] were done in obedience to the command of God

[NickHassan]

Hi DG,
The letters to the saved Roman Jews were to encourage them to WALK in the Spirit they had received. We must allow the Spirit to control us and express the gifts or they produce no fruit. We do not quench the Spirit and become as useless branches fit only for the fire.
Gal 5
Walk in the Spirit.

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

So do you not think that you must accept christ before you can walk in the spirit. You can believe jesus is the Messiah but not accept him as your lord and savior.

People can believe in something but not accept it as part of their life.

[NickHassan]

Hi DK,
Where does scripture speak of this ACCEPTING CHRIST?

Certainly the gospel of Christ is shared and it cuts to the heart so that men repent and seek God's forgiveness.

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

Ok so how do you repent if you dont first believe in christ?

1 John 4:13 says i have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you hve eternal life.

So are you saying that if someone repents they are saved whether or not they believe?

[NickHassan]

Hi DG,
So knowing about Christ and repenting is sufficient?
More was required of the one we say we follow.

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

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Hi DG,
So knowing about Christ and repenting is sufficient?
More was required of the one we say we follow.

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are you asking me that question?
I asked you if someone repents but doesnt not believe is he saved?

[NickHassan]

Hi DG,
Repentance alone does not save – except perhaps for the sovereign mercy of God.
It is usually essential to allow the inner work of God

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

So what does save or give someone Salvation?

[NickHassan]

Hi DS,
God alone saves through faith and through Jesus.
God judges the heart as Simon Magus found [acts8].

For our part we must obey and be born again of water and the Spirit.
Acts 2
Repent and be baptised each one of your for the forgiveness of you sins and you will receive…

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

So where does believing in christ come in?

[GeneBalthrop]

to All………John said i indeed baptize in water, But he who comes after me will baptize You with Spirit and Fire.

Ill paraphrase it …….John said i indeed baptize (emerge) in water, (BUT) He (Jesus) comes after me will baptize (emerge) you in Spirit and Fire (intense Judgments).

Knowing this the fiery trial which has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you. This fiery trials is part of our baptizing we are emerged into intense judgments.

Water baptizing is not the true baptism. All true believers are baptized in Holy Spirit, connected with fiery Judgments.

peace to all……………..gene

[NickHassan]

Quote (Dasgooey @ May 30 2008,11:42)

Nick, So where does believing in christ come in?

Hi DG,
The gospel is sown as seed and good soil responds.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
So the apostles were fools in Acts as they obeyed a more straightforward understanding?
Jesus and his disciples baptised in water.

[Dasgooey]

Nick,

So what happens to the seed that are sown on the path? I know what Mark 4:15 says but when can one consider themself a christian? Once they are sown on good ground. You have to remember there is multiple types of gound mentioned in the parable of the sower.

I know from experience that when i first came to know Christ that i still had alot of thorns to cut down. Actually i was initially sown on rocky ground when i became a believer. Sort of a Sunday Christian. Went to church on sundays but still lived my secular life during the week.

[NickHassan]

Hi DG,
What did Jesus say?
The “birds” remove them as they cannot take root in hard hearts.
Repentance is the clearing of the ground of thorns and thistles, the smoothing of the way of the Lord.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….What was Paul saying when He said there only one baptism, which one is it then, baptism with water, or baptism with the Spirit.

You can be baptized with water and only get wet, but if you are baptized with holy Spirit you will change. It's like circumcision of the flesh, you just get bloody but if you experience circumcision of the Heart you change.

Nick i think you need to reevaluate some things………..gene

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