March 19, 2018 at 4:56 pm #821725
You have not answered the simple question, who is the devil in Revelation 2?March 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm #821726
Yes that is what your imagination has revealed to you.
Go for it.March 19, 2018 at 4:59 pm #821727
See previous answer.
The servants of Satan are many and various.March 19, 2018 at 5:15 pm #821728
The kingdom of darkness is well organised but fails to have the spiritual unity of the kingdom of heaven.
The sons of God in heaven and on earth are unified by the one Spirit and cannot lose.
”..Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; How then will his kingdom stand?
If I by beelzebub cast out demons by whom do your sons cast them out.?
For this reason they will be your judges.
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property,
unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.”March 19, 2018 at 5:20 pm #821729
So Nick, you DENY the WORD?
Jeremiah 37: 9 Thus saith the LORD; Deceive not yourselves,
Romans 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world,
18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
“walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart:”
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, ACCORDING TO the TRADITIONS OF MEN, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:5:That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory…..14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither* can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was BORN AFTER the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
This is what I believe, but yet you falsely accuse me of following my own imagination, when I am believing the WORD!March 19, 2018 at 5:23 pm #821730
The excuse that the devil made me do it does not wash with God.March 19, 2018 at 5:26 pm #821731
I deny the imaginative dogmas you devise.
But I love the word and love defending it against folk like you.March 19, 2018 at 5:34 pm #821732
Man’s OWN IMAGINATION INFLUENCES him to sin. Scriptural FACT
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
God tests man, but man tempts himself, he is enticed by his OWN lusts.March 19, 2018 at 5:36 pm #821733
Absolutely the rebellious carnal mind is fertile ground for the work of Satan.March 19, 2018 at 5:38 pm #821734
Of course the indwelling lusts were not of the creation of man by God.March 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm #821735
What does Satan do that man does not do himself exactly, please tell?March 19, 2018 at 5:46 pm #821736
Satan rules and works through the bodies and minds of carnal men.
Instead of peace and love and order we see every variation of evil behaviour.
Disease, confusion, disorder, disruption, disputes, disasters all follow his influence.
Much as with Job.
The Son of God came to save us.
But folk still refer the fruit of their imaginations.March 19, 2018 at 6:10 pm #821737
We desire wisdom, that is instilled in us from God.
We desire to make sense of the world around us, that is also instilled in us from God.
When we rely on our own imaginations we create lies. We are independent thinkers, are we not? With that independence we can rely on God or we can rely on our own imaginations, right?
In order to survive we need to eat food.
Because we fear death man will do evil in order to acquire food, will he not?
God gave us SENSES which bring us pleasure, we can use those senses in a godly manner or we can use our imaginations to use them in fashion against their natural function.
Really Nick? What influence exactly do you believe that your Satan causes in man, that man cannot cause himself.March 19, 2018 at 6:44 pm #821738
When Satan is imprisoned for 1000 years peace will reign.March 19, 2018 at 7:07 pm #821739
You seem to say Nick that the lusts come from a supernatural influence.
However scripture says it comes from ignorance, something we are BORN with, something that is of our NATURE.
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. (archon, also translated prince)
We live in darkness because of our IGNORANCE, we lust because of our IGNORANCE.
God did not want us to be robots or puppets, therefore we had to be created with an independent mind being born in ignorance. From the beginning God had a plan to turn the created living being into an image of God. We can see this is not an easy task, for we indeed are not robots, we have our own mind that can think independently.
Romans 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Nick the first commandment of the 10 commandments is that We Shall Have No Other gods Before God. Look at what man has imagined to worship throughout history. What they worshiped was from pure ignorance as they tried to make sense of the world through their own imaginations.
Men BECAME FUTILE THROUGH THEIR OWN SPECULATIONS!!! Did God not make us CURIOUS CREATURES? Did God not make us IGNORANT, so that He could seek Glory in producing perfection in man, and man thus working his way towards his own glory?
Through our ignorance and our own imaginations can we not create false speculations? Jesus did not create false speculations he had a history of men failing to produce true wisdom as an example not to follow, he had the Spirit of God guiding him to true wisdom, wisdom not of this world, not of man, but the righteous wisdom of God.March 19, 2018 at 9:51 pm #821740
No the creation of God was very good.
The rebellion of Eve and Adam and their idolatry of the god of this world is the problem.March 20, 2018 at 3:25 am #821741
The creation of this world was indeed good, but it was NOT PERFECT. It was not perfect because man was IGNORANT and had the ability to speculate, thus create lies from man’s own imagination.
Once again you seem to deny the simple scripture that says THROUGH a HUMAN BEING SIN ENTERED.
You say sin entered because of a supernatural entity that deceived man.
Tell me this, is your Satan also a creation of God with an independent mind?
You believe this Satan fell from heaven correct? Which heaven? Surely not God’s righteous abode, where those who are not perfected would be consumed with fire in His presence?
Was there some other sort of supernatural entity influencing your Satan? …or is he evil from his own mind?March 20, 2018 at 3:56 am #821742GeneBalthropParticipant
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Jodi….Who was GOD ADDRESSING when he said to the serpent, ” because you have done this, you shall craw on your belly all the days of your life. Was it Adam, EVE, OR SOMEONE ELSE?
Peace and love to you and yours…….geneMarch 20, 2018 at 4:26 am #821743
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness*, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while*, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
The slanderers roaming about searching for whom they may devour are crafting men, men who will crucify those who speak of Christ. The Pharisees questioned Jesus hoping that he would speak a word of which they could use to condemn him. They controlled the power of the air, for it is the wisdom of BLIND MEN following their fleshly desires, it is the natural man, the RULERS who creates the false wisdom of this world.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.#rl 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever* sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?#rl 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon*. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.#rl 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon*. 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment*, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also* outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore*, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
MEN are in FACT CRAFTY THEMSELVES they are the SERPENT, a BEAST SET out to DEVOUR the followers of Christ. The Prince of the power of the air, devours the man who SPEAKS truth, he crucifies him. The Prince/Ruler of the power of the air creates every WIND of FALSE DOCTRINE established through his OWN imaginations and SPECULATIONS.
The “adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”, are MEN in their OWN CRAFTINESS behaving like a wild beast, like that of a serpent, who ONLY knows how to follow his carnal NATURE.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
That roaring lion that is called a devil is a MAN, he is a brute beast speaking evil by what HE KNOWS NATURALLY.
Do the scriptures speak truth? …or is it NOT truly by what a man knows naturally because of his ignorance and speculations, but rather what a man knows from the influence of another one of God’s creatures with supernatural powers?March 20, 2018 at 6:44 am #821744
God was addressing the serpent, the vessel for evil.
By the judgement of God the vessel too deserved punishment.
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