The paradise trinity

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Colter.

There is only one Michael the arch angel.
And he is created by the word.
Therefore Michael can not be the word.
Without the word was not anything made that was made.

wakeup.

Michael that John saw in his vision was Christ Michael, I'm not sure about Daniels arch angels.

Colter

Colter.

You are dancing with words.
Michael the arch angel called Jesus,the Lord.
Jesus is king and Michael is his general.

There are 3 that bears witness in heaven.
The Father;the Word; and the Holy ghost.

By the *Word* was Michael created.
Without the *Word* was nothing made that was made.

The Holy bible is the **WORD OF GOD** and we need to eat his flesh,to have life. MEANING STUDY THE HOLY BIBLE
SO IT BECOMES PART OF US. DIGEST IT.

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ;THEY ARE SPIRIT,AND THEY ARE LIFE.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

John did not call Michael and arch angel:

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

That is past tense, it refers to Michael incarnate as Jesus.

You may eat the Bible if you want to, i don't make false idols out of anything.

Colter

Colter.

The jws and the sda believed the same as you do.
You have developed a taste for strange flesh.
You have been eating the ub.
You can not eat swine flesh and have life.

Michael was not made flesh,but the word was made flesh.

wakeup.

Actually the revelation in the UB is substantially different then the JW's and sda's.

I have a relationship with God and he knows exactly whats in my heart.

Colter

Hi Colter.

No one can come to the Father but by Jesus;jesus is the door to God.
You are going to God by the back door.
No can do.

April 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm#353999

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Colter.

There is only one Michael the arch angel.
And he is created by the word.
Therefore Michael can not be the word.
Without the word was not anything made that was made.

wakeup.

Michael that John saw in his vision was Christ Michael, I'm not sure about Daniels arch angels.

Colter

Colter.

You are dancing with words.
Michael the arch angel called Jesus,the Lord.
Jesus is king and Michael is his general.

There are 3 that bears witness in heaven.
The Father;the Word; and the Holy ghost.

By the *Word* was Michael created.
Without the *Word* was nothing made that was made.

The Holy bible is the **WORD OF GOD** and we need to eat his flesh,to have life. MEANING STUDY THE HOLY BIBLE
SO IT BECOMES PART OF US. DIGEST IT.

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ;THEY ARE SPIRIT,AND THEY ARE LIFE.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

John did not call Michael and arch angel:

That is past tense, it refers to Michael incarnate as Jesus.

You may eat the Bible if you want to, i don't make false idols out of anything.

Colter

Colter.

The jws and the sda believed the same as you do.
You have developed a taste for strange flesh.
You have been eating the ub.
You can not eat swine flesh and have life.

Michael was not made flesh,but the word was made flesh.

wakeup.

Actually the revelation in the UB is substantially different then the JW's and sda's.

I have a relationship with God and he knows exactly whats in my heart.

Colter

Hi Colter.

No one can come to the Father but by Jesus;jesus is the door to God.
You are going to God by the back door.
No can do.

Wakeup,

You are making false accusations against me.

I have faith in the Father and in the Son, you have no right to pass judgment on me or my relationship with God. You savior of the arrogance of those yoked to the quibble technicalities of doctrine rather than the living gospel.

John 14

14 “Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. 2 There is more than enough room in my Father’s home.[a] If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? 3 When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.”

5 “No, we don’t know, Lord,” Thomas said. “We have no idea where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. 7 If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is.[c] From now on, you do know him and have seen him!”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.”

9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?

To know Jesus is to know the Father.

Colter

April 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm#354000

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Colter.

There is only one Michael the arch angel.
And he is created by the word.
Therefore Michael can not be the word.
Without the word was not anything made that was made.

wakeup.

Michael that John saw in his vision was Christ Michael, I'm not sure about Daniels arch angels.

Colter

Colter.

You are dancing with words.
Michael the arch angel called Jesus,the Lord.
Jesus is king and Michael is his general.

There are 3 that bears witness in heaven.
The Father;the Word; and the Holy ghost.

By the *Word* was Michael created.
Without the *Word* was nothing made that was made.

The Holy bible is the **WORD OF GOD** and we need to eat his flesh,to have life. MEANING STUDY THE HOLY BIBLE
SO IT BECOMES PART OF US. DIGEST IT.

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ;THEY ARE SPIRIT,AND THEY ARE LIFE.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

John did not call Michael and arch angel:

That is past tense, it refers to Michael incarnate as Jesus.

You may eat the Bible if you want to, i don't make false idols out of anything.

Colter

Colter.

The jws and the sda believed the same as you do.
You have developed a taste for strange flesh.
You have been eating the ub.
You can not eat swine flesh and have life.

Michael was not made flesh,but the word was made flesh.

wakeup.

Actually the revelation in the UB is substantially different then the JW's and sda's.

I have a relationship with God and he knows exactly whats in my heart.

Colter

Hi Colter.

No one can come to the Father but by Jesus;jesus is the door to God.
You are going to God by the back door.
No can do.

Wakeup,

You are making false accusations against me.

John 14

5 “No, we don’t know, Lord,” Thomas said. “We have no idea where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.”

To know Jesus is to know the Father.

Colter

Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

April 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm#354001

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Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

April 9, 2013 at 7:28 pm#354002

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Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,03:59)

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Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter.

The 1st trumpet is going to sound soon,and there are 6 more after. Those are the wrath of God on the wicked.

I am sure many of us here will agree,I dont write the bible.
I am just pionting out scriptures to you.
I can see that I touched a raw nerve.
The truth does hurt. Why cant you defend yourself with quoting the ub verses. Because it is hollow spiritually.

wakeup.

April 9, 2013 at 7:34 pm#354003

Participant

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,03:59)

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Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter.

The 1st trumpet is going to sound soon and there are 6 more to come after, Those are the wrath of God on the wicked.

I am sure many of us here will agree.
I am just pionting out scriptures to you.
It seems I have touched a raw nerve.
The truth does hurt.

Why dont you defend yourself by quoting ub verses.
it is because it is hollow spiritually.

wakeup.

April 9, 2013 at 7:37 pm#354004

Participant

Sorry for repeating myself;I blame my computer.

wakeup.

April 9, 2013 at 7:59 pm#354005

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Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter.

The 1st trumpet is going to sound soon and there are 6 more to come after, Those are the wrath of God on the wicked.

I am sure many of us here will agree.
I am just pionting out scriptures to you.
It seems I have touched a raw nerve.
The truth does hurt.

Why dont you defend yourself by quoting ub verses.
it is because it is hollow spiritually.

wakeup.

I haven’t been quoting the UB to you because you reject anything other then the bible idol. Jesus instructed us in the futility of casting pearls of truth before fools. Had you been a Jew you would have rejected Jesus to while suffering from the same pride blindness and cowering behind the Hebrew scripture.

I've shown you the inconsistency of your own doctrines but you are intellectually dishonest in accepting the counterpoints. You are unreachable.

For the last 2 thousand years preachers have been teaching that Jesus is soon to return to carry out the failed Messianic prophecies.

John the Baptist also warned to prepare for the wrath to come. No wrath came, just a very nice man who presented a mature and Loving God.

Colter

April 9, 2013 at 8:40 pm#354006

Participant

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,06:59)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,06:34)

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,03:59)

Quote

Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter.

The 1st trumpet is going to sound soon and there are 6 more to come after, Those are the wrath of God on the wicked.

I am sure many of us here will agree.
I am just pionting out scriptures to you.
It seems I have touched a raw nerve.
The truth does hurt.

Why dont you defend yourself by quoting ub verses.
it is because it is hollow spiritually.

wakeup.

I've shown you the inconsistency of your own doctrines but you are intellectually dishonest in accepting the counterpoints. You are unreachable.

For the last 2 thousand years preachers have been teaching that Jesus is soon to return to carry out the failed Messianic prophecies.

John the Baptist also warned to prepare for the wrath to come. No wrath came, just a very nice man who presented a mature and Loving God.

Colter

Colter.

Jesus said the kingdom of God is at hand,but it is 2000yrs ago and its not here still,so they say.I dont think he is coming.

This is because there is no spiritual knowledge.
Jesus spoke to that generation face to face,and they are all dead now,they dont have to wait 2000yrs to see the kingdom.

To them it is near,and to every generation it is near,because we only live for 70.80 yrs,some die early.

If they were 30yrs old,all they have to wait is another 40.50yrs. Some die even ealier.

The dead does not wait in their graves;time stops for the dead.

wakeup.

April 9, 2013 at 10:15 pm#354007

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Colter.

You have read it many times but still can not register.
Jesus is the *word*, and he is the way.
The Holy bible is the *word*; this is the way.
Dont go some other way;your own way.

John6:54.Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Eating strange flesh only leads to Gods wrath.
Now dont get agitated; all done in peace.

wakeup.

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter.

The 1st trumpet is going to sound soon and there are 6 more to come after, Those are the wrath of God on the wicked.

I am sure many of us here will agree.
I am just pionting out scriptures to you.
It seems I have touched a raw nerve.
The truth does hurt.

Why dont you defend yourself by quoting ub verses.
it is because it is hollow spiritually.

wakeup.

I've shown you the inconsistency of your own doctrines but you are intellectually dishonest in accepting the counterpoints. You are unreachable.

For the last 2 thousand years preachers have been teaching that Jesus is soon to return to carry out the failed Messianic prophecies.

John the Baptist also warned to prepare for the wrath to come. No wrath came, just a very nice man who presented a mature and Loving God.

Colter

Colter.

Jesus said the kingdom of God is at hand,but it is 2000yrs ago and its not here still,so they say.I dont think he is coming.

This is because there is no spiritual knowledge.
Jesus spoke to that generation face to face,and they are all dead now,they dont have to wait 2000yrs to see the kingdom.

To them it is near,and to every generation it is near,because we only live for 70.80 yrs,some die early.

If they were 30yrs old,all they have to wait is another 40.50yrs. Some die even ealier.

The dead does not wait in their graves;time stops for the dead.

wakeup.

The kingdom of heaven is already here, it has been here since Jesus established it. It is the spiritual fellowship among believers.

“the kingdom of heaven s within you”

Colter

April 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm#354008

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Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,06:59)

Wakup,

God has no wrath, that’s a human way of thinking. But some people need to be frightened of God’s wrath because they don’t realize his love.

Maybe you are projecting onto me your own simplemindedness? Are you dense? Could it be that you can write but you cannot read?

I do believe in the Father and in the Son, you are just being proudly stubborn like the religious Jews who hid behind what they called the word.

You seem to be a religious fanatic; you should sit and think for a while or maybe get some counseling with your reading comprehension problem.

Realizing that you have been molested by some sick preacher types, the same silliness won’t work with me.

Colter

Colter this is an error repeated by many. They would like to think that all are saved and there is nothing but love and mercy.

Wrong. God gave humans free will. To believe the above is to deny that the sovereign God gave up sovereignty of each person's decisions to accept, love, hate, reject God.

Thus, while I do not teach nor believe that God will torture souls for all eternity because that is not written, he will certainly destroy souls that reject him. And why? Because if they reject him with their own free will, then they reject life and love because that is who God is. Search all the verses with the words “wicked” and “destruction” or “wicked” and “persish”. Even the most quoted verse covers this.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whomever shall believe in him will NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life”. It is also written elsewhere that the wicked will perish like animals. In other words they die for all eternity, never to be raised to life.

What you teach is that we do not have ultimate free will and that God will force us to love and live with him, even if we hate him and don't want to believe in him. That means that we are robots who will be programmed to obey one way or another. In other words, we are not free.

You seem to promoting an arranged marriage with God where we have an appearance of consent but ultimately do not have the right to not be one with God.

April 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm#354009

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PS, I am taking for granted at this stage that you believe that no one will be punished or destroyed by everlasting death. If not, then let me know what it is you exactly believe. Will all be saved? Or some be saved? Or we are already saved? Or what?

April 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm#354010

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Yes, those who completely reject salvation do not awake from the sleep of death, it is as if they never existed.

In 70 AD, when Gentile vengeance finally fell upon Israel, it wasn't so much that God destroyed Israel in his wrath, he just stopped subsidizing it. <—- my words.

I also agree that man has free will and the evil ones had free will as well as power and authority which they abused in misleading the whole world.

(41.6) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.UB

Colter

April 10, 2013 at 1:56 am#354011

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Yes, those who completely reject salvation do not awake from the sleep of death, it is as if they never existed.

In 70 AD, when Gentile vengeance finally fell upon Israel, it wasn't so much that God destroyed Israel in his wrath, he just stopped subsidizing it. <—- my words.

I also agree that man has free will and the evil ones had free will as well as power and authority which they abused in misleading the whole world.

Colter

Colter.

You say the wicked that are in the grave will simply not be resurrected.

So lets live and be merry,and enjoy life as much as you can for tomorow we die,and there is no judgement.

Dont worry about the commandments,for there is no judgement day. Lets just live life Colter,just go for it.

wakeup.

April 10, 2013 at 2:12 am#354012

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Yes, those who completely reject salvation do not awake from the sleep of death, it is as if they never existed.

In 70 AD, when Gentile vengeance finally fell upon Israel, it wasn't so much that God destroyed Israel in his wrath, he just stopped subsidizing it. <—- my words.

I also agree that man has free will and the evil ones had free will as well as power and authority which they abused in misleading the whole world.

Colter

Colter.

You say the wicked that are in the grave will simply not be resurrected.

So lets live and be merry,and enjoy life as much as you can for tomorow we die,and there is no judgement.

Dont worry about the commandments,for there is no judgement day. Lets just live life Colter,just go for it.

wakeup.

It genuinely perplexes me how you conclude things that I never said??

* yes there is judgment, i never ever said there is not judgment. Where did you get that notion?

* It is the will of God that we turn to him with a whole heart and do his will, that we live a decided life, he is the Father, we are his children, he is the principle, we are his agents.

Doing Gods will in all of our affairs is the foundation, the center of our faith life. But he who commits sin (knowingly rejecting Gods will) is the bond servant of sin, and the bond servant is not likely to abide in the Fathers house forever. Such an unruly individual will eventually reap what he has sown. An unrepentant individual will eventually be cut off. A person dedicated to iniquity with no desire for forgiveness will have no place. He will not know the day of the resurrection.

Lucifer, Satan and their fallen angels were taken into custody when Jesus was on the earth. They were bound for the Judgment courts. If their trials are finished they will be destroyed, gone, all records erased.

Colter

April 10, 2013 at 4:07 am#354013

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Yes, those who completely reject salvation do not awake from the sleep of death, it is as if they never existed.

In 70 AD, when Gentile vengeance finally fell upon Israel, it wasn't so much that God destroyed Israel in his wrath, he just stopped subsidizing it. <—- my words.

I also agree that man has free will and the evil ones had free will as well as power and authority which they abused in misleading the whole world.

Colter

Colter.

You say the wicked that are in the grave will simply not be resurrected.

So lets live and be merry,and enjoy life as much as you can for tomorow we die,and there is no judgement.

Dont worry about the commandments,for there is no judgement day. Lets just live life Colter,just go for it.

wakeup.

It genuinely perplexes me how you conclude things that I never said??

* yes there is judgment, i never ever said there is not judgment. Where did you get that notion?

* It is the will of God that we turn to him with a whole heart and do his will, that we live a decided life, he is the Father, we are his children, he is the principle, we are his agents.

Colter

Colter.

quote:Yes, those who completely reject salvation do not awake from the sleep of death, it is as if they never existed
unquote:

wakeup.

April 22, 2013 at 6:54 pm#354014

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Divine Forgiveness

(1898.1) 174:1.1 For several days Peter and James had been engaged in discussing their differences of opinion about the Master’s teaching regarding the forgiveness of sin. They had both agreed to lay the matter before Jesus, and Peter embraced this occasion as a fitting opportunity for securing the Master’s counsel. Accordingly, Simon Peter broke in on the conversation dealing with the differences between praise and worship, by asking: “Master, James and I are not in accord regarding your teachings having to do with the forgiveness of sin. James claims you teach that the Father forgives us even before we ask him, and I maintain that repentance and confession must precede the forgiveness. Which of us is right? what do you say?”

(1898.2) 174:1.2 After a short silence Jesus looked significantly at all four and answered: “My brethren, you err in your opinions because you do not comprehend the nature of those intimate and loving relations between the creature and the Creator, between man and God. You fail to grasp that understanding sympathy which the wise parent entertains for his immature and sometimes erring child. It is indeed doubtful whether intelligent and affectionate parents are ever called upon to forgive an average and normal child. Understanding relationships associated with attitudes of love effectively prevent all those estrangements which later necessitate the readjustment of repentance by the child with forgiveness by the parent.

(1898.3) 174:1.3 “A part of every father lives in the child. The father enjoys priority and superiority of understanding in all matters connected with the child-parent relationship. The parent is able to view the immaturity of the child in the light of the more advanced parental maturity, the riper experience of the older partner. With the earthly child and the heavenly Father, the divine parent possesses infinity and divinity of sympathy and capacity for loving understanding. Divine forgiveness is inevitable; it is inherent and inalienable in God’s infinite understanding, in his perfect knowledge of all that concerns the mistaken judgment and erroneous choosing of the child. Divine justice is so eternally fair that it unfailingly embodies understanding mercy.

(1898.4) 174:1.4 “When a wise man understands the inner impulses of his fellows, he will love them. And when you love your brother, you have already forgiven him. This capacity to understand man’s nature and forgive his apparent wrongdoing is Godlike. If you are wise parents, this is the way you will love and understand your children, even forgive them when transient misunderstanding has apparently separated you. The child, being immature and lacking in the fuller understanding of the depth of the child-father relationship, must frequently feel a sense of guilty separation from a father’s full approval, but the true father is never conscious of any such separation. Sin is an experience of creature consciousness; it is not a part of God’s consciousness.

(1898.5) 174:1.5 “Your inability or unwillingness to forgive your fellows is the measure of your immaturity, your failure to attain adult sympathy, understanding, and love. You hold grudges and nurse vengefulness in direct proportion to your ignorance of the inner nature and true longings of your children and your fellow beings. Love is the outworking of the divine and inner urge of life. It is founded on understanding, nurtured by unselfish service, and perfected in wisdom.”

Colter

April 25, 2013 at 5:05 am#354015

Charity

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You will need to explore the door used to create the trinity!
As mentioned years an years ago, the father figure has been exchanged for god!

The trinity is a an interpretation that even turms Jesus into god if ypu let it
The romans have stolen an re vamped from the original text, mainly to excommunicate kings david from the triangle
God David an Jesus have formed Jerusalem, an the Romans don't want that argument while everythings turning civilized, an there over running
Kingdom as spoil!

April 25, 2013 at 1:06 pm#354018

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Colter, I apologise. I was deleting a double post using my Mod privileges and I deleted your post instead. This is only the second time I have done this since the Forum started back in 2000.

Fortunately I hit my back button and copied your post because it was cached. Feel free to leave it below in my post window, or re-post it by copying and pasting what is between the double lines. Again I apologise for this oversight.

Your post here:

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Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness…”

Hello Mary,

In the UB Jesus is NOT the second person of the Paradise Trinity.

The “truth” of the Trinity as revealed in the UB is ….”one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality.” That becomes the pattern for all other deity and personality relationships.

Growth of the Trinity Concept

(1143.1) 104:0.1 THE Trinity concept of revealed religion must not be confused with the triad beliefs of evolutionary religions. The ideas of triads arose from many suggestive relationships but chiefly because of the three joints of the fingers, because three legs were the fewest which could stabilize a stool, because three support points could keep up a tent; furthermore, primitive man, for a long time, could not count beyond three.

(1143.2) 104:0.2 Aside from certain natural couplets, such as past and present, day and night, hot and cold, and male and female, man generally tends to think in triads: yesterday, today, and tomorrow; sunrise, noon, and sunset; father, mother, and child. Three cheers are given the victor. The dead are buried on the third day, and the ghost is placated by three ablutions of water.

(1143.3) 104:0.3 As a consequence of these natural associations in human experience, the triad made its appearance in religion, and this long before the Paradise Trinity of Deities, or even any of their representatives, had been revealed to mankind. Later on, the Persians, Hindus, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and Scandinavians all had triad gods, but these were still not true trinities. Triad deities all had a natural origin and have appeared at one time or another among most of the intelligent peoples of Urantia. Sometimes the concept of an evolutionary triad has become mixed with that of a revealed Trinity; in these instances it is often impossible to distinguish one from the other.

1. Urantian Trinity Concepts

(1143.4) 104:1.1 The first Urantian revelation leading to the comprehension of the Paradise Trinity was made by the staff of Prince Caligastia about one-half million years ago. This earliest Trinity concept was lost to the world in the unsettled times following the planetary rebellion.

(1143.5) 104:1.2 The second presentation of the Trinity was made by Adam and Eve in the first and second gardens. These teachings had not been wholly obliterated even in the times of Machiventa Melchizedek about thirty-five thousand years later, for the Trinity concept of the Sethites persisted in both Mesopotamia and Egypt but more especially in India, where it was long perpetuated in Agni, the Vedic three-headed fire god.

(1143.6) 104:1.3 The third presentation of the Trinity was made by Machiventa Melchizedek, and this doctrine was symbolized by the three concentric circles which the sage of Salem wore on his breast plate. But Machiventa found it very difficult to teach the Palestinian Bedouins about the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit. Most of his disciples thought that the Trinity consisted of the three Most Highs of Norlatiadek; a few conceived of the Trinity as the System Sovereign, the Constellation Father, and the local universe Creator Deity; still fewer even remotely grasped the idea of the Paradise association of the Father, Son, and Spirit.

(1144.1) 104:1.4 Through the activities of the Salem missionaries the Melchizedek teachings of the Trinity gradually spread throughout much of Eurasia and northern Africa. It is often difficult to distinguish between the triads and the trinities in the later Andite and the post-Melchizedek ages, when both concepts to a certain extent intermingled and coalesced.

(1144.2) 104:1.5 Among the Hindus the trinitarian concept took root as Being, Intelligence, and Joy. (A later Indian conception was Brahma, Siva, and Vishnu.) While the earlier Trinity portrayals were brought to India by the Sethite priests, the later ideas of the Trinity were imported by the Salem missionaries and were developed by the native intellects of India through a compounding of these doctrines with the evolutionary triad conceptions.

(1144.3) 104:1.6 The Buddhist faith developed two doctrines of a trinitarian nature: The earlier was Teacher, Law, and Brotherhood; that was the presentation made by Gautama Siddhartha. The later idea, developing among the northern branch of the followers of Buddha, embraced Supreme Lord, Holy Spirit, and Incarnate Savior.

(1144.4) 104:1.7 And these ideas of the Hindus and Buddhists were real trinitarian postulates, that is, the idea of a threefold manifestation of a monotheistic God. A true trinity conception is not just a grouping together of three separate gods.

(1144.5) 104:1.8The Hebrews knew about the Trinity from the Kenite traditions of the days of Melchizedek, but their monotheistic zeal for the one God, Yahweh, so eclipsed all such teachings that by the time of Jesus’ appearance the Elohim doctrine had been practically eradicated from Jewish theology. The Hebrew mind could not reconcile the trinitarian concept with the monotheistic belief in the One Lord, the God of Israel.

(1144.6) 104:1.9 The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality.

(1144.7) 104:1.10 Jesus taught his apostles the truth regarding the persons of the Paradise Trinity, but they thought he spoke figuratively and symbolically. Having been nurtured in Hebraic monotheism, they found it difficult to entertain any belief that seemed to conflict with their dominating concept of Yahweh. And the early Christians inherited the Hebraic prejudice against the Trinity concept.

(1144.8) 104:1.11 The first Trinity of Christianity was proclaimed at Antioch and consisted of God, his Word, and his Wisdom. Paul knew of the Paradise Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit, but he seldom preached about it and made mention thereof in only a few of his letters to the newly forming churches. Even then, as did his fellow apostles, Paul confused Jesus, the Creator Son of the local universe, with the Second Person of Deity, the Eternal Son of Paradise.

(1144.9) 104:1.12 The Christian concept of the Trinity, which began to gain recognition near the close of the first century after Christ, was comprised of the Universal Father, the Creator Son of Nebadon, and the Divine Minister of Salvington — Mother Spirit of the local universe and creative consort of the Creator Son.

(1145.1) 104:1.13 Not since the times of Jesus has the factual identity of the Paradise Trinity been known on Urantia (except by a few individuals to whom it was especially revealed) until its presentation in these revelatory disclosures. But though the Christian concept of the Trinity erred in fact, it was practically true with respect to spiritual relationships. Only in its philosophic implications and cosmological consequences did this concept suffer embarrassment: It has been difficult for many who are cosmic minded to believe that the Second Person of Deity, the second member of an infinite
Trinity, once dwelt on Urantia; and while in spirit this is true, in actuality it is not a fact. The Michael Creators fully embody the divinity of the Eternal Son, but they are not the absolute personality.
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April 25, 2013 at 1:17 pm#354017