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Nick,
Scripture does not say anything much of him before the Jordon beyond the fact that Jesus never sinned through tempted as is common is common to humanity.
That of course means he was tempted as we are and I see no reason to add the words “after the Spirit alighted on him”.
The question is whether you believe Jesus is a normal human being. I know he had stronger faith than everyone else but I do not see that as meaning he was not a normal human being as each has their measure of faith. If you do then I will concede that he was superior in that way.
Hi KW,
The law was not given to frustrate men because God is fair.
Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law.
Nick,
That disagree with the idea of the flesh. It is that idea why Jesus said no one is good.
If the Law can save anyone then there would be no need for the Spirit.
You already know that Scripture does not literally state that Jesus was made of the Spirit at the Jordon river but you choose to believe that for your own reasons.
Just as Paul teaches us “The just shall live by faith”. Romans 1:17
Jesus was righteous before the Spirit landed on him in the form of a dove because he lived by faith. He is still righteous for the same reason.
Nick,
The Law of Moses allowed for sin by the sacrifice of beasts. Paul stated his righteousness under Law was perfect and he was not lying. It is an imperfect righteousness. God knew the situation and made allowances.
Hi KW,
God wants clean vessels to use.
Jesus was clean due to obedience to the law
The apostles were cleansed by the washing of the word-Jn 15
So also were Cornelius and his friends.
That is the plan of God so focus on it and not on sin.
Nick,
Jesus was clean due to obedience to the law
Paul would have done then God claims through him that “touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.” (Philippians 3:6)
Galatians 3:21Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
It did not happen because the Law could not give life.
Instead it is a Schoolteacher that …”is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, [thoroughly] furnished unto all good works.”(2 Timothy 3:16-17)
Hi KW,
Why do you think cleanliness is righteousness?
There is a big difference and God is the judge.
We all need the righteousness of Christ
Paul too needed to be baptised in the name of Jesus.
Even then he still struggled with sin in the flesh.
All need to be beheaded that Christ can be our head.
Nick,
Why do you think cleanliness is righteousness?
1 John 3:7Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Nick,
That is not what John said.
Instead he said those who do right are righteous.
Of course if one put’s on the Spirit they do right because doing right is the fruit of the Spirit.
Beware of those that preach another righteousness.
Nick,
Those already walk according to the Spirit do not need to receive the Spirit so why would they be called?
It is those do not have the Spirit but hunger and thirst for righteousness that are called.
Those that are filled with their own righteousness are not called.
Hi KW,
All need to be beheaded that Christ can be our head.
Hi Nick,
“All need to be beheaded”
You sound like islamist’s (ref. to Rev.20:4).
Where do you get such a goofy idea from?____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
Did you not read it spiritually?
Rev 20
I saw the souls of those beheaded because of their witness to Jesus and the word of God..
Is Jesus not your head yet?
Are you still your own lord and master?
Hi KW,
It is good that you now can tell the difference between sinlessness and righteousness.
God wants clean vessels to use and to give the righteousness of Christ to.
Nick,
I am not disagreeing with Jesus.
If you understand he is saying “Those that are filled with their own righteousness are not called.’
He was the only one who had the Spirit at that time.
So in short “It is those do not have the Spirit but hunger and thirst for righteousness that are called” because they are the ones the desire to come into the light.
His words bring to mind the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee. (Luke 18:9-14)
In short to not be satisfied with a righteousness that is not perfect as God’s is perfect.
Ed,
He seems to be diverting me from the subject into another subject that is not in the context of this thread.
I assumed he was speaking figuratively in his statement.
Nick,
God wants vessels that hunger and thirst to be free from serving sin.
That is why Jesus teaches us blessed are they they the hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.
Jesus did not lie when he stated that the Son will set a person truly free from serving sin. (John 8:36)
The context is John 8:31-36.
Hi Kerwin,
Threads sometimes shift into other things from time to time.
As long as ‘pet-doctrines’ aren’t pushed, the topics
usually gets back on track rather quickly.What is clear is that beheadings are literal in islam and
not merely symbolic of Christianity as Nick seems to believe.And on a side note: “The Word” of God and Jesus’ testimony
are listed AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS in Revelation 20:4!
So obviously Jesus cannot be “The Word”, period.____________
God bless
Ed J
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