The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2007,17:36)

One Spirit, Three Persons, One God!

The Father

2 Cor 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, *I will dwell in them, and walk in them;* and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and **we** will come unto him, and make our abode with him*.

This is the Father living in us.

In fact the above verse says both the Father and the Son will come and dwell within us!

The Son

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the *Spirit of God dwell in you.* Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby *we cry, Abba, Father*.

2 Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates?

Gal 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the *Spirit of his Son* into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

2 Cor 3:17
Now the *Lord is that Spirit*: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

And so we see that the Son, Yeshua Messiah, Jesus Christ,
lives in us!

The Holy Spirit

Jn 14:6
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *another Comforter*, that he may abide with you for ever;

Jn 16:6
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, *I will send him unto you*.

Jn 16
13 Howbeit when “he”, the Spirit of truth, is come, “he” will guide you into all truth: for “he” shall not speak of “himself”; but whatsoever “he” shall hear, that shall “he” speak: and “he” will shew you things to come.
14 “He” shall glorify me: for “he” shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Acts 2:4
And they were all *filled with the Holy Ghost*, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

And of course here we see the Comforter living in us and filling us!

So we have the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit living in us by these scriptures.

Can anyone show me how these scriptures say anything else?

Now, since we know that there is *One Spirit* we read…

1 Cor 12:13
For by *one Spirit* are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been *all made to drink into one Spirit.*

Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by *one Spirit* unto the Father.

Ehp 4:4
There is one body, and *one Spirit*, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Then to stay in harmony with the scriptures we conclude that there is…… ONE SPIRIT, THREE PERSONS, and ONE GOD!

The above is confirmed by the following scriptures…

2 Cor 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Matt 28:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the *name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost*:

This is a good test for the Unbelievers the Unitarians and the Henotheist and the followers of Arian.

Acoording to the above scriptures, ask yourself…

Does the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit live in you?

Ignatious a desciple of the Beloved John wrote…

*For our God, Jesus Christ*, now that He is with [or in] the Father, is all the more revealed [in his glory]. Christianity is not a thing of silence only, but also of [manifest] greatness.

and

Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, and that *the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the same person*, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power.

and

Be on your guard, therefore, against such persons. And this will be the case with you if you are not puffed up, and continue in intimate union with *Jesus Christ our God*, and the bishop, and the enactments of the apostles.

Without the whiteout, you have, One Spirit, Three Persons, and One God!!!

Hi WJ:

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1:10
If there come any * * unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither * * bid him God speed:
1:11
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

May 5, 2007 at 10:25 am#51420

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Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

May 5, 2007 at 12:39 pm#51422

kenrch

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Quote (Oxy @ May 05 2007,22:25)

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

Oxy you have three persons living in you? Your spirit is a third separate person? What is it's name?

May 5, 2007 at 7:09 pm#51427

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Quote (kenrch @ May 06 2007,00:39)

Oxy you have three persons living in you? Your spirit is a third separate person? What is it's name?

I don't have 3 persons living in me, I am made up of three, body, soul and spirit. I thought that was quite clear.

What exactly is your obsession with a name?

May 5, 2007 at 7:17 pm#51430

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Quote (Oxy @ May 05 2007,22:25)

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

Hi oxy,
Is Jesus the body of God?
hmm

May 5, 2007 at 7:47 pm#51435

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2007,07:17)

Quote (Oxy @ May 05 2007,22:25)

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

Hi oxy,
Is Jesus the body of God?
hmm

Isn't that what Jesus said?

Joh 14:7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And from now on you know Him and have seen Him.

Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?

May 5, 2007 at 7:50 pm#51436

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Hi Oxy,
Jesus was conceived of Mary.
God is not a man and was not conceived.

May 5, 2007 at 8:48 pm#51444

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2007,07:50)

Hi Oxy,
Jesus was conceived of Mary.
God is not a man and was not conceived.

So what was Jesus saying?

May 5, 2007 at 8:54 pm#51447

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Hi Oxy,
2Cor5
God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to Himself.
To see and hear Christ was to see the power of God at work on earth and to hear the wisdom of God expressed through his greatest servant.

May 5, 2007 at 10:00 pm#51455

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Quote (Oxy @ May 05 2007,22:25)

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

Hi Oxy,
Are you saying that the final form of God was only finished two thousand years ago when Christ was conceived?

May 6, 2007 at 1:19 am#51464

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Quote (Oxy @ May 05 2007,22:25)

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2007,19:46)

I'll just paste the following scripture for your consideration:

Nothing is said three persons dwelling in a born again believer.

God Bless

Hi 94

I hope you don't mind me putting a reply in here.

It is well known that we are three in one being body soul and spirit. We were made in the image of God. If God can make us as 3 in 1, then it seems to me that we are moulded after Him.

Obviously we are not exactly the same as we are a physical being with limitations, but the similarity isn't that hard to see.

People often see people as being a body with a soul and a spirit, but I see us as being a soul with a spirit and a body.

But just have a think about it. We are made in the image of God and we are three in one, moulded after our God.

Hi Oxy:

I believe that I have already discussed some of what you are indicating with you, but to repeat what I have said to you, I will post the following scriptures:

1 Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made * a living soul (like God, He is a living person); the last Adam was made a quickening spirit(like God in the spirit. Jesus is the express image of God's personality).

But WJ was indicating the three persons dwell in us, and my post was to show that this is not so. The Father dwells in us by His Spirit as our helper and leads us into all truth in the Word of God. Our spirit as born again believers should be the Word of God (the spirit of Christ) that we have learned to apply to our daily lives. We should be becoming like Jesus as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives, but of course, God is still working on us to bring us where we need to be. And so, the Father dwells in us by His Spirit, and the Son dwells in us in that he is the Word of God.

The Holy Ghost is not a third person as you teach but is the Spirit of God Our Father. My intention in this post was to show this as a fact.

Ro 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

As for our body, We as born again believers are members of the body of Christ.

1Co 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

God Bless

May 7, 2007 at 1:12 pm#51585

Cult Buster

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942767

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The Holy Ghost is not a third person as you teach but is the Spirit of God Our Father. My intention in this post was to show this as a fact.

How did you work that out 94?

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

JEHOVAH The Holy Spirit

Compare
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD (JEHOVAH) : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = JEHOVAH

Compare
Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

With
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = God

Compare
Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

With
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Act 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = Lord

2Sa 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

2Sa 23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = The God of Israel

God the Holy Ghost dwells in you. Comparisons.

Compare

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

With

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Compare

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

With

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Compare

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

With

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

It is quite ridiculous really to say that the Holy Spirit is just the spiritual presence of the Father or the Son or of both. At the baptism of Jesus the Three were manifested there. The Father spoke from heaven, Jesus was in the water being baptized, and the Holy Spirit came down upon Jesus like a dove. The Father and Jesus needed no spiritual presence of any third party.

Remember too the baptismal formula Jesus gave at Matthew 28:19 – “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Anyone can surely see that there are Three Persons in the Heavenly Trio.

The HOLY SPIRIT (a Person) is endowed with very “personal” characteristics like:
Intelligence and knowledge, feelings and teaching ability.

(John 14:26) “for He will teach you all things”.
1 Cor. 2:13,14 He teaches us spiritual things, helping us to discern spiritual things
(1 Cor. 12:11),He makes decisions –deciding who gets what spiritual gift
He has emotions and can be grieved (Eph. 4:30)
Romans 8:26 “The Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

(John 16:8) He convicts of sin, of righteousness and judgment
Rev. 22:17
He invites people to “come” (Matt. 12:31, Mark 3:29) He can be sinned and blasphemed against, which can lead to the unpardonable sin
“The Spirit Himself bears witness…. that we are children of God (Romans 8:16
He speaks (Acts 8:29)
teaches (Luke 12:12)
reveals (Luke 2:26)
testifies (Acts 20:23)
searches (1 Cor. 2:10,11)
He sets people apart for service and sends them on their way (Acts 13:2,4)
He commands and guides (Acts 8:29)
He declares things to come (John 16:13)
In John chapters 14-16 Christ referred to the Holy Spirit 24 times with personal PRONOUNS. HE, HIM. He addresses the Holy Spirit as a person, and treats Him as a person. In John 14:16 He calls Him the Comforter (Parakletos
), which is a title which could only be held by a person.

The Holy Spirit is God

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?
5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Mathew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (Blasphemy can only be committed against God)

1 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord (God) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.

9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit (only God hath immortality) offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

May 7, 2007 at 2:38 pm#51586

kenrch

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Quote (Oxy @ May 06 2007,07:09)

Quote (kenrch @ May 06 2007,00:39)

Oxy you have three persons living in you? Your spirit is a third separate person? What is it's name?

I don't have 3 persons living in me, I am made up of three, body, soul and spirit. I thought that was quite clear.

What exactly is your obsession with a name?

Oxy your Trinity says that the Holy Spirit~ GOD~ is a third separate person, correct? We are created in God's image body, soul, and spirit. Now accroding to your doctrine there are three in the God head. The Father YHWH, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit who has no name. So if we are created in HIS image (the three separate person ) then your spirit is a third separate person. Is this correct? Your spirit has a mind of it's own apart from you. Is this correct? This is what you believe of the no name Holy Spirit it that correct? A completely separate person with a mind of His own apart from the Father.

So my question: If you are created like the God head you support then does your third separate person spirit have a name or is your spirit YOU?

May 7, 2007 at 6:51 pm#51590

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Ken,

Good question about the image of God. It was actually the icing on the cake that only a few months ago made me a full blooded Trinitarian.

Genesis 1:27: “God created man in his own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”

So I think it's clear that the image of God isn't one person but, seemingly at first, at least two persons: male and female. Now we know that men and women are different in many ways, but the witness of the Bible in creation is that they are the same flesh: “This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” Genesis 2:23. And in the very next verse: “For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.”

So the image of God is not one person. God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone.” If one man were the image of God, he should stand alone as that image. But God's law is for man and woman to become one flesh. This is the image of God stated in Genesis 1:27. But we know that there are not only two persons in this one flesh. There are three, for a child is conceived. So we have at the beginning of God the image of God being three persons who are one flesh. Jesus said, “They are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” Matthew 19:6.

Tim

May 7, 2007 at 6:52 pm#51591

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sorry, that last paragraph should read, “at the beginning of the Bible the image of God …”

May 7, 2007 at 9:19 pm#51602

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Quote (Cult Buster @ May 08 2007,01:12)

942767

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The Holy Ghost is not a third person as you teach but is the Spirit of God Our Father. My intention in this post was to show this as a fact.

How did you work that out 94?

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

JEHOVAH The Holy Spirit

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = JEHOVAH

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = God

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = Lord

2Sa 23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

Conclusion. The Holy Ghost = The God of Israel

God the Holy Ghost dwells in you. Comparisons.

Compare

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

With

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Compare

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

With

Compare

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

With

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The HOLY SPIRIT (a Person) is endowed with very “personal” characteristics like:
Intelligence and knowledge, feelings and teaching ability.

(John 16:8) He convicts of sin, of righteousness and judgment
Rev. 22:17
He invites people to “come” (Matt. 12:31, Mark 3:29) He can be sinned and blasphemed against, which can lead to the unpardonable sin
“The Spirit Himself bears witness…. that we are children of God (Romans 8:16
He speaks (Acts 8:29)
teaches (Luke 12:12)
reveals (Luke 2:26)
testifies (Acts 20:23)
searches (1 Cor. 2:10,11)
He sets people apart for service and sends them on their way (Acts 13:2,4)
He commands and guides (Acts 8:29)
He declares things to come (John 16:13)In John chapters 14-16 Christ referred to the Holy Spirit 24 times with personal PRONOUNS. HE, HIM. He addresses the Holy Spirit as a person, and treats Him as a person. In John 14:16 He calls Him the Comforter (Parakletos), which is a title which could only be held by a person.

The Holy Spirit is God

1 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord (God) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hi CB:

Is your spirit a different person that you? How do you keep saying that the Holy Ghost is a Third Person. Does not the scripture state that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God the Father?

How do you come to the conclusion that God's Spirit is a different person that he?

God Bless

May 7, 2007 at 9:43 pm#51606

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Hi 94,

Because the Spirit is the Parakletos, the Helper, which is by definition a person. As opposed to paraklesis, which is help and by definition impersonal. This is according to Trenchard's New Testament Greek, page 119.

Tim

May 7, 2007 at 10:31 pm#51613

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Quote (Tim2 @ May 08 2007,09:43)

Hi 94,

Tim

Hi Tim2:

God is my parakletos (helper) by his Spirit. His Spirit is not a different person than he just as you say that your spirit is not a different person that you.

Your conclusion is based solely on the definition of these words, but even so, it does not say that the Holy Spirit is a Third person.

God Bless

May 7, 2007 at 10:45 pm#51614

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Quote (Tim2 @ May 08 2007,09:43)

Hi 94,

Tim

Hi Tim2,
Logic is not a sufficiently good reason to make statements about the nature of God and His relationship with His own Spirit.
1Cor 2 shows us the relationship between God and His spirit is similar to our relationship with us and our spirit but you do not seem to teach that our spirit is another person bthough logic should equally lead down such a path.
That is what led men to develop their unspiritual creeds in the first place.

May 8, 2007 at 5:18 am#51675