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Hi w,
You must make up your mind.
Either Jesus has never been separate from God
Or he is the Son of God.
Either he has always worked in his own powers
Or he emptied himself and was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.
Either he is our God
Or God was with him.Acts 10
” 37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”
Keep it simple and stop sitting on the fence. Stop putting your head in the sand and attempting to dig up the few more difficult scriptures to try to justify a human doctrine.
Look at the whole book and find the most important facts and build around them
Resolve what scriptures you can but do not enjoy confusion.
That is what a true servant of the words of the Spirit would do.Quote Hi w,
You must make up your mind.
Either Jesus has never been separate from God
Or he is the Son of God.
Either he has always worked in his own powers
Or he emptied himself and was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.
Either he is our God
Or God was with him.Acts 10
” 37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”
Keep it simple and stop sitting on the fence. Stop putting your head in the sand and attempting to dig up the few more difficult scriptures to try to justify a human doctrine.
Look at the whole book and find the most important facts and build around them
Resolve what scriptures you can but do not enjoy confusion.
That is what a true servant of the words of the Spirit would do.NH
You should give up your Arian view and follow the scriptures.
II Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Hi W,
That is one approach but I would prefer you to give us your understanding of the verses from Acts 10.Quote Hi W,
That is one approach but I would prefer you to give us your understanding of the verses from Acts 10.NH
Why is it so hard for you to understand that Jesus/Word was **Born**
A man, (the word made flesh)? The **man** Jesus was anointed by the Father, (who is not the Son), but is God the Father.
As **a man** he had to fulfill all righteousness.
But he was still Theos/Word God in the flesh.
The incarnation. God and Man. If Jesus was just flesh then how could he say ” Before Abraham was I Am”?
Hi W,
Indeed the Word was before Abraham when he was with God.
Was God the Father of God.
Which person in your trinity God was the Father of Jesus?Quote Hi WJ
Listen to Jesus.
Jn 10
” 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “
Is Jesus saying, or has he ever said he actually is God?
Is Jesus actually agreeing with the Jews who wanted to stone him, that he was guilty of blasphemy and deserved to die, but cunningly quotes scriptures to confuse them and frustrate their plans?
Or is he telling the truth and saying he is actually not God but is the Son of God?
He is the truth so should we not believe him?
Hi W,
So was God anointed by God with God?
And God was with God?
Indeed the Word was before Abraham when he was with God.
Was God the Father of God.
Which person in your trinity God was the Father of Jesus?A comparison of Bible texts that refer to the holy spirit shows that it is spoken of as ‘filling’ people; they can be ‘baptized’ with it; and they can be “anointed” with it. (Luke 1:41; Matt. 3:11; Acts 10:38)
None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.
In the Bible the holy spirit is personified, but this is not unusual in the Bible.
Wisdom is said to have “children.” (Luke 7:35)
Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (Rom. 5:14, 21)While some texts say that the spirit “spoke,” other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans. (Acts 4:24, 25; 28:25; Matt. 10:19, 20; compare Acts 20:23 with 21:10, 11.)
At 1 John 5:6-8, not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’ So, none of the expressions found in these texts in themselves prove that the holy spirit is a person.
The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit.
With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.—Ps. 104:30; 2 Pet. 1:21; Acts 4:31.
To understand what the Bible as a whole teaches, all these texts must be considered. What is the reasonable conclusion? That the texts which personify the holy spirit employ a figure of speech, as the Bible also personifies wisdom, sin, death, water, and blood.
The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father—Jehovah. They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ. But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.
Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw “Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit.
Even though Catholics view the holy spirit as part of the trinity,
New Catholic Encyclopedia Encyclopedia must admit: “The majority of N[ew] T[estament] texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII, p. 575) It also reports: “The Apologists [Greek Christian writers of the second century] spoke too haltingly of the Spirit; with a measure of anticipation, one might say too impersonally.”—Vol. XIV, p. 296.david
While the term “Holy Ghost” occurs some ninety times in the King James and Douay versions, it is actually an Old English term, “ghost” being derived from the German word geist, meaning “spirit.” That is why the expression “Holy Ghost” does not appear in modern translations.
The term “spirit” is used in seven different ways in the Bible, and is applied both to persons and to impersonal things.
Why did Bible writers use the words ru′ahh and pneu′ma in seven different senses and apply them both to persons and to that which is without personality?
Because all these senses have in common the two basic characteristics of wind, namely, invisibility and force. Note, for example, the sails of a boat driven by the wind. We cannot see the wind, yet the fact that the sails are bowed and the boat is being driven over the water shows a force at work. Thus we note a visible effect produced by an invisible force. Stressing these characteristics of “spirit” are the prophet’s words: “The Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses are flesh, and not spirit.”—Isa. 31:3, RS.JEHOVAH IS A SPIRIT
Logically, the term “spirit” applies first of all to Jehovah God, for he is both invisible, no man ever having seen him, and mighty—almighty, in fact. (Ex. 6:3; 33:20) Yes, as Jesus said, “God is a Spirit”; and as Paul wrote, “Now Jehovah is the spirit.”—John 4:24; 2 Cor. 3:17, NW.JESUS IS A SPIRIT
The Scriptures also speak of Jesus Christ as a spirit. “The first man Adam became a living soul,” quotes Paul, contrasting him with the last Adam, Jesus, who “became a life-giving spirit” upon his resurrection, “he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” And since he now dwells in “unapproachable light,” and is also known as “The mighty God,” the term “spirit” is also fittingly applied to him.—1 Cor. 15:45; 1 Pet. 3:18; 1 Tim. 6:16, NW; Isa. 9:6.ANGELS, GOOD AND BAD, ARE SPIRITS
Angels, both good and bad, are also termed “spirits.” Thus at Hebrews 1:7, 14 (NW) Paul states that God “makes his angels spirits,” and that angels are “all spirits for public service.” These good angels are both invisible and powerful, as the Bible repeatedly shows. (2 Ki. 6:16, 17; Isa. 37:36)
And Paul speaks of Satan as “the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience.” (Matt. 8:16; Eph. 2:2, NW)“SPIRIT” IS ALSO USED IMPERSONALLY
One of the uses of “spirit” for that which is without personality is for the spirit or life force God put in man after forming him out of the dust of the ground, thereby causing man to live.
Regarding this life force, we read at Genesis 7:22 (Ro) that “all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life” died on account of the Flood. Or, “everything in which the breath of the force of life was active . . . died.” (NW) And the apostle John tells of seeing a vision in which certain witnesses had “the spirit of life” enter them, causing them to stand on their feet after they had been dead for three and a half days. (Rev. 11:11, NW) At death “the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit [ru′ahh, not neph′esh or soul] returns to God who gave it.” (Eccl. 12:7, RS) This life force certainly is invisible and powerful, and is therefore fittingly termed “spirit.”Another use of the term “spirit,” ru′ahh, pneu′ma, in the Scriptures for that which is without personality is its application to mental disposition. Thus we read: “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” And: “He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty, and he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.” (Prov. 16:18, 32, RS) The mental disposition itself cannot be seen, but it has force that manifests itself in actions that are visible, as when one loses self-control and becomes red in the face and trembles with rage. Jesus used “spirit” in this sense when he counseled: “Keep on the watch and praying, that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is willing, but the flesh is weak.” One’s mental disposition is therefore also fittingly termed “spirit.”—Matt. 26:41, NW.
Another sense in which the term “spirit” is applied to impersonal things is to “inspired utterances.” A prophecy inspired by God is an inspired utterance or expression, and so the prophecy when quoted is properly referred to as the “spirit” talking. Thus Paul says that “the inspired utterance [spirit: footnote] says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith.”—1 Tim. 4:1, NW.
HOLY SPIRIT
The remaining sense of the term “spirit” is its use as “holy spirit,” which trinitarian translators usually render with capital letters and precede with the definite article the, as “The Holy Spirit.”The fact that the Word of God does not explicitly mention, explain or teach a trinity is in itself strong proof that the trinity teaching is false. And this is also borne out by what the Bible teaches regarding the holy spirit.
How could the holy spirit be equal with Jehovah the Father when it is given such a secondary position in the Scriptures?
–Daniel, Stephen and John in visions saw representations of the Father and the Son, but never one of the holy spirit.
Why not, if the holy spirit is equal to the Father and the Son in glory, power, etc.?“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3, NW.
Where is the holy spirit in this? While speaking of the the importance of taking in knowledge, and everlasting life, where is the mention of this supposed third of the trinity?
Far from teaching equality with Jehovah, the Scriptures show that the holy spirit is not even a person. Thus John the Baptist stated that Jesus would baptize “with holy spirit and with fire,” even as he was baptizing with water.
To baptize means to immerse, to dip, to submerge. A person can baptize others with water, dipping them into it, as John did, and a person can baptize others with fire by immersing them in flames or causing their destruction; but how can one person baptize others with another person?
Since neither water nor fire is personal, is it not reasonable to conclude that the holy spirit is also not a person?
Peter stated that God poured out ‘some of his spirit’ upon all kinds of flesh. Can we imagine someof a person being poured out on thousands of other persons, as was the case at Pentecost after Peter had preached to the Jews?—Matt. 3:11; Acts 2:17, 38, 41
That the holy spirit is without personality is also indicated by the fact that it has no distinctive name.
God, the Creator, has many distinctive appellations. His name is Jehovah, and he only is “The God,” or “The [true] God,” he only is the “Most High” and the “Almighty.” He is thus distinctly distinguished from other gods or mighty ones. Likewise with his Son, Jesus Christ. There is only one by that name, only one “only-begotten Son,” only one “First-born,” only one Logos or “Word.”But not so with the holy spirit. Jehovah, Christ and the faithful angels are all holy spirits. Is the holy spirit “Theholy spirit”?
If so, in what way does he excel Jehovah and Christ either as respects being a spirit or being holy?And more than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19
And note still another point, that of location. The B
ible tells us that God dwells in heaven, that he holds court there. Also that Jesus in his prehuman existence was rejoicing in his Father’s presence, that he came to earth to perform special missions, especially at the time he came as a man, and that he has now returned to heaven. Where was or where is the holy spirit now if it is a person? Did “he” come down upon Jesus at Jordan and then remain, or return and then come again at Pentecost? Is “he” now in heaven with God and Christ, or is “he” scattered throughout the earth wherever Christ’s followers are to be found?The fact is that the truth about the holy spirit has been beclouded by the prejudices of Bible translators. Their use of capital letters cannot be used to prove the holy spirit is a person. Why not? Because at the time the Scriptures were written proper and common nouns were not thus distinguished from each other. The same is true regarding their adding the definite article thebefore holy spirit in some hundred instances where the Bible writers had not done so. To omit the definite article seemed disrespectful to such Bible translators but not to the Bible writers. Thus Paul wrote that God’s kingdom meant “peace and joy with holy spirit,” not “with the holy spirit.” And Peter wrote that God’s servants spoke, being “borne along by holy spirit,” not “by the holy spirit.”—Rom. 14:17; 2 Pet. 1:21, NW.
Quote How could the holy spirit be equal with Jehovah the Father when it is given such a secondary position in the Scriptures? David
Where is the Holy Spirit in the Bible given a secondary position?
Matt 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.Now lets take a look at these scriptures.
The word blasphemy is “blasphemia” which means;
1) slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
2) impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majestyBased on this definition, I think that it is real important as to how we address the Spirit of God.
Impious and reproachful speech **INJURIOUS TO ANOTHERS GOOD NAME”.
Or “REPROACHFUL SPEECH INJURIOUS TO DIVINE MAJESTY”
Did you hear that David.
Jesus specifically used the word blasphemy to describe someone being INJURIOS to the Spirit.
To call the Spirit of God a force is not exalting of his “Devine Majesty”
Then Jesus goes on to say “whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him”
“Speaketh against” The word for “against” is kata, which means;
1) down from, through out
2) according to, toward, alongThis is where it gets scary.
According to Thayer's Lexicon who (BTW doesn’t favor the Trinitarians) the word “kata” is a preposition denoting motion or diffusion or direction from the Higher to the Lower.
Or we could say from a “person to a force”.
God is not pleased in reducing his own Spirit to just a force.
On another thread you called me Jean-Luke.
What is it but star wars if you call the Spirit of God just a force or power?
It’s amazing to me how those with an Arian view have used these scriptures to disprove the Trinitarian view.
Jesus uses many pronouns describing the Holy Spirit of God as a person.You say…
Quote To baptize means to immerse, to dip, to submerge. A person can baptize others with water, dipping them into it, as John did, and a person can baptize others with fire by immersing them in flames or causing their destruction; but how can one person baptize others with another person? .
Did not God say he would pour out his Spirit on all flesh? Can you pour out your Spirit? Is your Spirit a force or is it you.I Cor 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.So because we don’t understand everything about the nature of God and his Spirit does not mean we should disregard the words of Jesus or speak against the Spirit by not exalting his “Divine Majesy”.
You say…
Quote Since neither water nor fire is personal, is it not reasonable to conclude that the Holy Spirit is also not a person?
Really?
The bible says that God is a “consuming fire” Does that mean he is not a person.Jesus said he is a door, or the bread of life, or the vine, or the Lamb of God, does that mean he is not a person.
The Spirit of God has many appellations. Can any man fully grasp him? Do you think David that you and your denomination knows all there is about the Spirit of God?
You say…
Quote And more than a hundred times the Holy Spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct
person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19
God is a Spirit. Would you say that he is not a person?
David look at these verses closely..
Acts 5
[1] But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
[2] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
[6] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
[7] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
[8] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
[9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
[10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Notice. They lied to the Spirit which they said was lying to God.
Also they tempted the Spirit.
That is not just a wind or force or power.Look at this..
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.Who made them overseers?
Or
Rom 8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Who makes intercession for us? Or who searches our hearts? The Spirit of God.David I know why those who hold an Arian view do not want to accept that the Spirit is more than just a force or power. It’s because if they accept that the Spirit of God is personal, then it would mean that only the Trinitarian view would make since in light of all the scriptures.
Lastly David, all the major translators use the pronouns He, Him, Whom, referring to the Holy Spirit as a person.
Maybe you should get rid of the NWT and get a new Bible.
Matt 28:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Ho
ly Ghost:The Bible speaks of three David.
I looked up the word blasphemy. The first definition I came across was: “blasphemous language (expressing disrespect for God or for something sacred)”–www.wordnet.princeton
So disrespect for God “or” something sacred. “Sacred” can be defined as something made or held holy. God’s holy spirit is…holy, sacred.
Done.
Quote What is it but star wars if you call the Spirit of God just a force or power? I believe star wars took it from the Bible and not the other way around.
I just googled this:
“The other issue I want to address is the “immaculate conception” of Anakin. If you substitute “holy spirit” for midiclorian and God for Force, one of the lines of dialog is akin to saying “he was conceived by the power of the holy spirit” and “when you quiet your mind, you can hear the voice of the holy spirit talking to you, telling you the will of God”.”–www.christiananswers.net
It shouldn’t surprise you that writers today copy Biblical ideas. It is a best seller after all. Does it surprise you?
I do want to address any substance you have in your post, but I am busy elsewhere right now.
David
Quote Can you pour out your Spirit? Is your Spirit a force or is it you. God breathed spirit (breath) into Adam. Is that spirit that was breathed into Adam–Adam, or is it a force that keeps him alive, even as breathing keeps us alive?
Quote You say… Quote
Since neither water nor fire is personal, is it not reasonable to conclude that the Holy Spirit is also not a person?Really?
The bible says that God is a “consuming fire” Does that mean he is not a person.you argue that because holy spirit is mentioned along with Jehovah and his Son, Jesus in Mat 28:19,20, that the holy spirit is a person.
But you can see in various places that the holy spirit is also put in with water and fire, things that aren't people.You mention Mat 12:31,32:
“Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” –RSYet, if the Holy Spirit were a person and were God, this text would flatly contradict the Trinity doctrine, because it would mean that in some way the Holy Spirit was greater than the Son. Instead, what Jesus said shows that the Father, to whom the “Spirit” belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of man.
And I don't remember if you hold to the Catholic version of the trinity or some other version.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO PUT DOWN WHAT THEY FEEL THE TRINITY IS. THERE ARE DEFINITELY DIFFERENT VIEWS AMONG THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN A TRINITY AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS.
Quote Matt 28:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:The Bible speaks of three David.
iT BOTHERS me greatly when people point to this scripture as proof of the trinity. It is proof that you can count to three. congradulations. What does this prove other than the fact that you can count to three? Really? What?
acts 5:
Quote Notice. They lied to the Spirit which they said was lying to God.
Verse 9 shows that it is God's spirit. If someone plays false or acts against the holy spirit, God's spirit, are they not also doing this to God?Quote Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.Who made them overseers?
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david
PART OF THE FORTOLD APOSTASY:
Not until the fourth century C.E. did the teaching that the holy spirit was a person and part of the “Godhead” become official church dogma.
Early church “fathers” did not so teach; Justin Martyr of the second century C.E. taught that the holy spirit was an ‘influence or mode of operation of the Deity’; Hippolytus likewise ascribed no personality to the holy spirit. The Scriptures themselves unite to show that God’s holy spirit is not a person but is God’s force by which he accomplishes his purpose and executes his will.
THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS NOT BEING A PERSON. (You can be baptized “in holy spirit”, and “filled with spirit,” it can be “poured out,” you can be annointed with it, etc.) Notice too the way it is used in association with other impersonal things (Mt 3:10, Mr 1:8) You can be “filled” with it, along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52) and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6.
–It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person.
–As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8.
–While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)
It may thus be compared to radio waves that can transmit a message from a person speaking into a microphone and cause his voice to be heard by persons a distance away, in effect, ‘speaking’ the message by a radio loudspeaker. God, by his spirit, transmits his messages and communicates his will to the minds and hearts of his servants on earth, who, in turn, may convey that message to yet others. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God’s spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things. (Isa 48:16; 61:1-3)PERSONIFICATION DOES NOT PROVE PERSONALITY
it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36); and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations. (KJ, RS, JP, AT) Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.A HELPER
Jesus personalized the holy spirit when speaking of that spirit as a “helper” (which in Greek is the masculine substantive pa·ra′kle·tos). Properly, therefore, John presents Jesus’ words as referring to that “helper” aspect of the spirit with masculine personal pronouns. On the other hand, in the same context, when the Greek pneu′ma is used, John employs a neuter pronoun to refer to the holy spirit, pneu′ma itself being neuter. Hence, we have in John’s use of the masculine personal pronoun in association with pa·ra′kle·tos an example of conformity to grammatical rules, not an expression of doctrine.—Joh 14:16, 17; 16:7, 8.THE HOLY SPIRIT LACKS PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION
Since God himself is a Spirit and is holy and since all his faithful angelic sons are spirits and are holy, it is evident that if the “holy spirit” were a person, there should reasonably be given some means in the Scriptures to distinguish and identify such spirit person from all these other ‘holy spirits.’
’ It would be expected that, at the very least, the definite article would be used with it in all cases where it is not called “God’s holy spirit” or is not modified by some similar expression. This would at least distinguish it as THE Holy Spirit. But, on the contrary, in a large number of cases the expression “holy spirit” appears in the original Greek without the article, thus indicating its lack of personality.—Compare Ac 6:3, 5; 7:55; 8:15, 17, 19; 9:17; 11:24; 13:9, 52; 19:2; Ro 9:1; 14:17; 15:13, 16, 19; 1Co 12:3; Heb 2:4; 6:4; 2Pe 1:21; Jude 20, Int and other interlinear translations.
(I don't really care if your Bibles have inserted the definite article (the) in front of it in ever place. It proves nothing.)david
“Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3)
Jehovah God–50 times
the [true] God Jehovah–4 times
Jehovah their God–39 times
Jehovah the [true] God–8 times.
Jehovah is in truth God–1 time
Jehovah is God–1 time
Jehovah is my God–1 time
Jehovah is our God–1 time
Jehovah your God–455 times
Jehovah our God–105 times
Jehovah my God–40 times
Jehovah his God–29 times
Jehovah is a God–7 times
Jehovah the God of–204 times
Jehovah a God–1 timeIn addition to the 1000 times that Jehovah is specifically called God, there are hundreds of other not so specific references. I only counted the unquestionable ones.
Jesus is called God between 2 or 3 and 9 times. (I'd say 2 or 3)My question:
Can someone provide a list of ALL THE TIMES THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CALLED: GOD?I would like to examine this list.
david
Hi David I wish to help with you, It IS that maybe many things need to be covered for the final truth so ….
The Holy ghost that conceived Christ was renewed, and that being the one with power that descended down in bodily on Christ
mystery of God, AND of the Father, AND of Christ;
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;Work of the old Holy ghost
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.The seed of David and mother Mary and God
Mat 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.The highest himself shall be establish,
Psa 87:5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
Psa 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, [that] this [man] was born there.Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
About the father that he should be glorified within Christ by his seed
Selah2Sa 22:17 He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters;
Selah.Psa 18:16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.
Psa 18:17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.
Psa 18:18 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.
Psa 18:19 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
Psa 18:20 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
Psa 18:21 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
Psa 18:22 For all his judgments [were] before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
Psa 18:23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.Christ receives the honour and glory, Even the renew holy ghost differing from the holy ghost in which he was conceived, the New Holy ghost is of greater power, that we should follow him
Received here
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Now he asks whose Son am I, David’s or Gods, and how
David is the first begotten Son of God? Christ ?
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Zec 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.Christ had much to hear from his seed fathers psalms, I believe they brought him much comfort for his Job on earth, whom David God anointed with power to speck of the things to come that he would wait and see happen to him.
Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.“Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3)
I'm looking for something more like this, which we are told a thousand times in the Bible, with regard to the Father.
My question again: Could someone please list all the times that God's holy spirit is called: “God.”Thankyou.
David[/B]
Quote THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS NOT BEING A PERSON. That is not the message of the Bible.
The Holy Spirit is in very distinguished company
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The Holy Spirit (a Person) is God
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?
5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.Mathew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (Blasphemy can only be committed against God)
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God (the Holy Ghost) in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God (the Holy Spirit) , and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord (God) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit (only God hath immortality) offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
The HOLY SPIRIT (a Person) is endowed with very “personal” characteristics like:
Intelligence and knowledge, feelings and teaching ability.
(John 14:26) “for He will teach you all things”.
1 Cor. 2:13,14 He teaches us spiritual things, helping us to discern spiritual things
(1 Cor. 12:11),He makes decisions –deciding who gets what spiritual gift
He has emotions and can be grieved (Eph. 4:30)
Romans 8:26 “The Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.(John 16:8) He convicts of sin, of righteousness and judgment
Rev. 22:17
He invites people to “come” (Matt. 12:31, Mark 3:29) He can be sinned and blasphemed against, which can lead to the unpardonable sin
“The Spirit Himself bears witness…. that we are children of God (Romans 8:16He speaks (Acts 8:29)
teaches (Luke 12:12)
reveals (Luke 2:26)
testifies (Acts 20:23)
searches (1 Cor. 2:10,11)
He sets people apart for service and sends them on their way (Acts 13:2,4)
He commands and guides (Acts 8:29)
He declares things to come (John 16:13)In John chapters 14-16 Christ referred to the Holy Spirit 24 times with personal PRONOUNS. HE, HIM. He addresses the Holy Spirit as a person, and treats Him as a person. In John 14:16 He calls Him the Comforter (Parakletos), which is a title which could only be held by a person.
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