The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I'm not sure why you are even arguing this point which seems to help me. If you are saying that the father is the father of the holy spirit, then this implies (using every day normal logic) that God, the father, is not the holy spirit that he is also the father of.

Perhaps one reason I don't think that god is the father of the holy spirit, is that it is made plain in the bible that it is “of” God, HIS finger, HIS arm, something he possesses and uses as he wills.

Is god the father of his finger?

This scripture uses “spirits” in plural. It seems that it is referring to something else. Not “the” holy spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J

Hi David,

Will you please answer my question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:26)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:18) Quote Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? Where oh where did I reject any of these scriptures? I CONTINUALLY asked you to show where a single one of them in any way reasonable proved that the holy spirit is God.  Other than quoting the scriptures, which at first seemed like you were picking random scriptures from a hat, you haven't really explained where or how any of them support your belief. Hi David, Are you not rejecting what these Scripture are saying? Are you now also claiming that I have not been explaining them to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, that is precisely and exactly what I am clearly stating. You yourself say you are providing dots. You seem to expect me to somehow connect them myself. Problem is, they are just dots and not a clear picture at all.

What is clear for example is when we look in the bible and see Jehovah is called god 1000 times directly and another couple thousand indirectly.

And then we have you with your 3 or 4 dots, which are not direct at all.

So I ask: please explain them.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:27)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J I'm not sure why you are even arguing this point which seems to help me.  If you are saying that the father is the father of the holy spirit, then this implies (using every day normal logic) that God, the father, is not the holy spirit that he is also the father of. Perhaps one reason I don't think that god is the father of the holy spirit, is that it is made plain in the bible that it is “of” God, HIS finger, HIS arm, something he possesses and uses as he wills. Is god the father of his finger?   This scripture uses “spirits” in plural.  It seems that it is referring to something else.  Not “the” holy spirit.

Hi David,

Heb.12:9 is indicative of the father of Spirits being the HolySpirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:29)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J Hi David, Will you please answer my question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

See last post on page before.

Ed, what do you think it means by “spirits”?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:32)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:27) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J I'm not sure why you are even arguing this point which seems to help me.  If you are saying that the father is the father of the holy spirit, then this implies (using every day normal logic) that God, the father, is not the holy spirit that he is also the father of. Perhaps one reason I don't think that god is the father of the holy spirit, is that it is made plain in the bible that it is “of” God, HIS finger, HIS arm, something he possesses and uses as he wills. Is god the father of his finger?   This scripture uses “spirits” in plural.  It seems that it is referring to something else.  Not “the” holy spirit. Hi David, Heb.12:9 is indicative of the father of Spirits being the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

HOW is it indicative of that?

What do you think is meant by “spirits” in that scripture?

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
I believe it means the source of all spirit which give life.

The Spirit of Life, in the Father.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:26) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:18) Quote Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? Where oh where did I reject any of these scriptures? I CONTINUALLY asked you to show where a single one of them in any way reasonable proved that the holy spirit is God.  Other than quoting the scriptures, which at first seemed like you were picking random scriptures from a hat, you haven't really explained where or how any of them support your belief. Hi David, Are you not rejecting what these Scripture are saying? Are you now also claiming that I have not been explaining them to you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Yes, that is precisely and exactly what I am clearly stating. You yourself say you are providing dots.  You seem to expect me to somehow connect them myself.  Problem is, they are just dots and not a clear picture at all. What is clear for example is when we look in the bible and see Jehovah is called god 1000 times directly and another couple thousand indirectly.   And then we have you with your 3 or 4 dots, which are not direct at all. So I ask: please explain them.

Hi David,

No, I said I was connecting the dots, it's YHVH that has provided them.
I have been explaining them, but you reject the explanation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:29) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J Hi David, Will you please answer my question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org See last post on page before. Ed, what do you think it means by “spirits”?

“Father of Spirits”, David.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:22)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:15) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:13) Hi David, Many, but you seem to reject them all? I have been posting them to you, but you claim that I have been posting only random verses? God bless Ed J You said “THE SCRIPTURE” so why don't we discuss the one scripture you were referring to.  Which one as it? Hi David, The Scripture as a whole. I have been posting many verses, but you continually say “no”; is this not true? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What is true is that I ask you to explain how the scriptures you provided actually prove what you claim.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:36)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:29) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J Hi David, Will you please answer my question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org See last post on page before. Ed, what do you think it means by “spirits”? “Father of Spirits”, David.

Ed, in the phrase “father of spirits” what do you think it means by “spirits”?

That was the question I was trying to ask.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:32) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:27) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J I'm not sure why you are even arguing this point which seems to help me.  If you are saying that the father is the father of the holy spirit, then this implies (using every day normal logic) that God, the father, is not the holy spirit that he is also the father of. Perhaps one reason I don't think that god is the father of the holy spirit, is that it is made plain in the bible that it is “of” God, HIS finger, HIS arm, something he possesses and uses as he wills. Is god the father of his finger?   This scripture uses “spirits” in plural.  It seems that it is referring to something else.  Not “the” holy spirit. Hi David, Heb.12:9 is indicative of the father of Spirits being the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org HOW is it indicative of that? What do you think is meant by “spirits” in that scripture?

Hi David,

Every spirit other than God's. …do you think differently?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote

No, I said I was connecting the dots, it's YHVH that has provided them. I have been explaining them, but you reject the explanation.

Posting scriptures and then saying they are dots, is not explaining.

Let's pick one and discuss it.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:39)

Quote No, I said I was connecting the dots, it's YHVH that has provided them. I have been explaining them, but you reject the explanation. Posting scriptures and then saying they are dots, is not explaining.   Let's pick one and discuss it.

Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit,
and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own?
and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?
why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:38)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:34) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:32) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:27) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:14) When it says father of spirits (plural) no, I don't take this to mean the holy spirit.  It is clearly referring to spirits in plural.   Gods holy spirit stands put distinct from the “spirits” (plural) referred to here. Hi David, It does not specifically say that the HolySpirit is excluded from Heb.12:9, why do you make this assumption? God bless Ed J I'm not sure why you are even arguing this point which seems to help me.  If you are saying that the father is the father of the holy spirit, then this implies (using every day normal logic) that God, the father, is not the holy spirit that he is also the father of. Perhaps one reason I don't think that god is the father of the holy spirit, is that it is made plain in the bible that it is “of” God, HIS finger, HIS arm, something he possesses and uses as he wills. Is god the father of his finger?   This scripture uses “spirits” in plural.  It seems that it is referring to something else.  Not “the” holy spirit. Hi David, Heb.12:9 is indicative of the father of Spirits being the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org HOW is it indicative of that? What do you think is meant by “spirits” in that scripture? Hi David, Every spirit other than God's.   …do you think differently? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

1.”God IS a spirit”

2. And God has his holy spirit which he uses as his power or force to accomplish his will.

So, when you say, “every spirit other than God's” spirit, are you referring to 1 or 2 or both?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,15:42)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,15:39) Quote No, I said I was connecting the dots, it's YHVH that has provided them. I have been explaining them, but you reject the explanation. Posting scriptures and then saying they are dots, is not explaining.   Let's pick one and discuss it. Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

PERFECT, I am glad this is the one you chose.

I will come back to this, but must sleep now, it is late and I have a headache.

Tomorrow Ed.

[Ed J]

Hi David,

I asked what position you hold in the “JW” organization in this thread,
which you have not answered yet; will you please do so?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
Forget the thin and disrespectful JW theology and learn from scripture what the HOLY Spirit also does.
Gal 5.16f
1Cor 12

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,22:51)

Hi David, I asked what position you hold in the “JW” organization in this thread, which you have not answered yet; will you please do so? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

IS THAT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS

if this will improve the truth in scriptures you have I will ask him myself

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
No response to Ps 139.7 and Phil 2.13 or to why it is worse to blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

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