The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J Ed, I finally understand the mistake you are making.   It all makes sense now You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ. It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.  But at least I finally think I understand the point you were trying to make.

Hi David,

What mistake?

I can only provide you with the evidence.
It is only proven to you when you consider it proof.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
The disciples and Jesus BECAME one in spirit with God.

It is the plan.
1cor 6.17
1cor 12
jn 14.10-20
Eph 2.15-18

But God cannot be separated from His Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:59)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2012,07:25) Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2012,12:55) By definition and common understanding of words, the spirit “of” God is not God himself. Oh, how many times I have SCREAMED this at Ed and others here.   Can you people not even understand the simple word “OF”?   If Jesus is Son, Christ, Lamb, Servant, etc OF God, then he is not the God he is those things OF. If God's Spirit is OF God, then it is not the God it is OF. I really don't think they can mike.   It's a word we use so often. Yet in this one instance, somehow it doesn't mean what it usually means.  How convenient.

Hi David,

Is the soul of David not David?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
Expound Phil 2.13 for us please.

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
Any idea why Jesus said men could speak evil of him but not of the Spirit??

mt 12.31

lk 12.10

mk 3.29

[david]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,13:06)

Hi David, You may be able to be separated from your finger but God cannot be divided from his Spirit.

What do you mean by divided? And why do you keep saying that?

Ps 104:30

English Standard Version (©2001)
When you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

I'm not sure what you ean by “divided,” or even why you keep mentioning it. Why not explain yourself?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:07)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,08:23) Hi david, We are made in the image of God. Surely our relationship with our spirit is the same as God' relationship with the Holy Spirit? No DIVISION possible Hi Nick, This is the point that many here miss. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Well why don't you explain it then. Nick seems incapable of doing so.

Explain what it means and how it relates to whether or not gods holy spirit is god.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, it says god was in Jesus.
It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus.

Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god.

No scripture calls the holy spirit god. Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:19)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:20) Hi David, here is yet another… Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? God bless Ed J Ed, please stop randomly quoting random scriptures.   It just shows that there are none that actually support your claim. Why are you continually quoting scriptures that in no way support your claim?   Again, no mention here of the holy spirit being God, is there? Hi David, The “HolySpirit” is the father of spirits. He was Jesus' father, and now our father as well. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, which scriptures are you referring to?

And, do they show that the holy spirit is God?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:24)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J Ed, I finally understand the mistake you are making.   It all makes sense now You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ. It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.  But at least I finally think I understand the point you were trying to make. Hi David, What mistake? I can only provide you with the evidence. It is only proven to you when you consider it proof. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, I clearly pointed out the mistake:

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“You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ. It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.”

Maybe I am the one mistaken, for I thought you were trying to prove from scripture that Gods holy spirit is God himself–that the spirit “of” god IS God.

You seem to be now trying to prove something different. Not sure what. But it's not that gods holy spirit is god.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,08:23) Hi david, We are made in the image of God. Surely our relationship with our spirit is the same as God' relationship with the Holy Spirit? No DIVISION possible Hi Nick, This is the point that many here miss. God bless Ed J Well why don't you explain it then.  Nick seems incapable of doing so. Explain what it means and how it relates to whether or not gods holy spirit is god.

Hi David,

God's HolySpirit is God, just like your spirit is you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself.

Hi David,
Does it not?
Lk 4.1

[david]

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But God cannot be separated from His Spirit.

–nick

Nick, can you provide the scripture?

Second, why do you keep saying this?

Third, if god sends forth his spirit, clearly he is not sending himself forth. I don't know what you mean by “division” or “divided” because you are incapable of explaining, but if you could spend a minute and explain what you actually mean or show us a scripture, that would be nice.

Fourth, you will ignore this post completely and just reply that 'God cannot be divided from his holy spirit,' because you seem to just make stuff up and don't care about conversation nearly as much as you care about short little quips. Oh well.

[david]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,14:50)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself. Hi David, Does it not? Lk 4.1

Yes, “it” 2 cor, does not.

Nick, did you know that this is what we are discussing–
“Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god.”

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:16) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J ED, maybe I am extremely confused about what this thread is about.  I thought you were trying to show from scripture that the holy spirit IS God. Does this verse do this somewhere?  Please explain where.  Thank you. Hi David, Sorry you have trouble connecting the dots. The HolySpirit was in Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. God bless Ed J Ed, it says god was in Jesus. It doesn't say the holy spirit was in Jesus. Regardless, you are trying to convince me that the holy spirit is god. No scripture calls the holy spirit god.  Rather, it is repeatedly spoken of as something that is possessed by God, and THEREFORE not god himself.

Hi David,

Are you suggesting that God's spirit was not who was in Jesus?

Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:41)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:20) Hi David, here is yet another… Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? God bless Ed J Ed, please stop randomly quoting random scriptures.   It just shows that there are none that actually support your claim. Why are you continually quoting scriptures that in no way support your claim?   Again, no mention here of the holy spirit being God, is there? Hi David, The “HolySpirit” is the father of spirits. He was Jesus' father, and now our father as well. God bless Ed J Ed, which scriptures are you referring to? And, do they show that the holy spirit is God?

Hi David,

Look in my first quote here.
Are you suggesting that the father of spirits isn't God?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:27)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2012,07:25) Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2012,12:55) By definition and common understanding of words, the spirit “of” God is not God himself. Oh, how many times I have SCREAMED this at Ed and others here.   Can you people not even understand the simple word “OF”?   If Jesus is Son, Christ, Lamb, Servant, etc OF God, then he is not the God he is those things OF. If God's Spirit is OF God, then it is not the God it is OF. I really don't think they can mike.   It's a word we use so often. Yet in this one instance, somehow it doesn't mean what it usually means.  How convenient. Hi David, Is the soul of David not David? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, but saying the soul of David is like saying the person of David.

'8 souls' were on the ark. 8 people.

Of course davids soul is David. But davids finger is not David, bit rather “of” David.

And gods finger (his holy spirit) is not god.

Rather, it is the holy spirit “of” God, the finger or arm of God.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:55)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:41) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:19) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:20) Hi David, here is yet another… Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? God bless Ed J Ed, please stop randomly quoting random scriptures.   It just shows that there are none that actually support your claim. Why are you continually quoting scriptures that in no way support your claim?   Again, no mention here of the holy spirit being God, is there? Hi David, The “HolySpirit” is the father of spirits. He was Jesus' father, and now our father as well. God bless Ed J Ed, which scriptures are you referring to? And, do they show that the holy spirit is God? Hi David, Look in my first quote here. Are you suggesting that the father of spirits isn't God? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Of course the father of spirits is God. And?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:44)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:24) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J Ed, I finally understand the mistake you are making.   It all makes sense now You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ. It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.  But at least I finally think I understand the point you were trying to make. Hi David, What mistake? I can only provide you with the evidence. It is only proven to you when you consider it proof. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I clearly pointed out the mistake: Quote “You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ.  It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.” Maybe I am the one mistaken, for I thought you were trying to prove from scripture that Gods holy spirit is God himself–that the spirit “of” god IS God. You seem to be now trying to prove something different.  Not sure what.  But it's not that gods holy spirit is god.

Hi David,

I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion.
But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,14:57)

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,14:44) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,13:24) Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2012,12:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,06:14) Hi David, here is yet another… “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19) God bless Ed J Ed, I finally understand the mistake you are making.   It all makes sense now You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ. It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.  But at least I finally think I understand the point you were trying to make. Hi David, What mistake? I can only provide you with the evidence. It is only proven to you when you consider it proof. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I clearly pointed out the mistake: Quote “You are supposed to be proving that the holy spirit is God This scripture says god was in Christ.  It doesn't say that the holy spirit is God.” Maybe I am the one mistaken, for I thought you were trying to prove from scripture that Gods holy spirit is God himself–that the spirit “of” god IS God. You seem to be now trying to prove something different.  Not sure what.  But it's not that gods holy spirit is god. Hi David, I'm providing the evidence that leads to this conclusion. But you seem to be having trouble connecting the dots. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Oh, I see. So, you acknowledge that there is no actual good proof, but that you must connect a number of dots?

I must say, the dots you want me to connect are no where near the idea that gods finger is god himself.

Doesn't it seem odd that something SO important as who/what the holy spirit is, and whether or not it's GOD himself is only hinted at or that a number of dots ate needed?

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