The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Hi DBF,

What your doing is like someone saying read the bible and you will see I'm right.

What specifically are you accusing me of as being false?
Why are you refusing to answer and instead offering misdirection.

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,03:30)

As usual, no Scripture and misdirection.

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

There is nothing to show but the fact concerning the Holy Spirit. Maybe someone out there in hn can look it up for you.

Once you look it up you should see what you have been posting is false…..”The Holy Spirit is God, the Father”.

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,16:04)

There is nothing to show but the fact concerning the Holy Spirit.  Maybe someone out there in hn can look it up for you. Once you look it up you should see what you have been posting is false…..”The Holy Spirit is God, the Father”.

Hi DbF,

“Bible Truth”=117 is Jesus' father is “HolySpirit” (Click Here); why do 'you' turn 'your' back to this TRUTH?

What does the combination of Eph.4:6 combined with Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20 and Luke 1:35 say to you?
Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

You wanted to know what you posted false so you can continue to post it???
But you already knew what you have been doing.

So now, Go to Gen 1:2 and look up Spirit, parts of speech and gender.

Thanks,

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,16:28)

You wanted to know what you posted false so you can continue to post it ? ?? But you already knew what you have been doing. So now, Go to Gen 1:2 and look up Spirit, parts of speech and gender. Thanks,

Hi DBF,

Why are saying Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / and Luke 1:35 (according to David) are false?

May YHVH have mercy on 'your' soul!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Ed,

Again avoiding to print the truth from Gen 1:2.

You've already looked it up and found out the truth because it takes you less than a minute to reasearch and post after me.

Not only that you have read my dozens of posts with the truth in it and haven't been able to rebutt it.

Your Scriptures that you post says the “Holy Spirit” and nothing about the Holy Spirit being God, the Father. That is why you refuse to post the truth about Gen 1:2 and the Holy Spirit being (noun, feminine). If the Holy Spirit was feminine in the OT the Holy Spirit didn't change in the NT.

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

Mat 1:20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Luk 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

So, here are your Scriptures that you posted that says that the Holy Spirit is God, the Father. I don't see it written anywhere.

[davidbfun]

Ed,

By the way, since the Holy Spirit is feminine, how can She be the Father?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2010,16:36)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,16:28) You wanted to know what you posted false so you can continue to post it ? ?? But you already knew what you have been doing. So now, Go to Gen 1:2 and look up Spirit, parts of speech and gender. Thanks, Hi DBF, Why are saying Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / and Luke 1:35 (according to David) are false? May YHVH have mercy on 'your' soul! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Isaiah 27:4-5) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi David,

    HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!

Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me?
wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who
the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye
in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come
unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself(Amos 3:7);
but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Matt.25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,17:02)

Ed, Your Scriptures that you post says the “Holy Spirit” and  nothing about the Holy Spirit being God, the Father.

Hi DBF,

See my last Post

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi David,

Mary was Jesus Mother!
Are you saying Jesus had 'two' mothers?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

By the way, pneuma is Spirit in Greek and it is a neutered noun so “it” can't be a father either. Also, since Hebrew is older as well as the OT there is only one choice.

You still refuse to post about Gen 1:2, why? So until you answer that it is useless to talk to you.

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,17:30)

By the way, pneuma is Spirit in Greek and it is a neutered noun so “it” can't be a father either.  Also, since Hebrew is older as well as the OT there is only one choice. You still refuse to post about Gen 1:2, why?  So until you answer that it is useless to talk to you.

Ho DBF,

The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting HolySpirit as GOD.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)

Mathew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son,
but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father(HolySpirit), save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Mathew 25:34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father(HolySpitit), inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Quote (martian @ July 25 2010,12:17)

What/Who is the Holy Spirit? To understand this we must see the “Holy Spirit” from the perspective of the Hebrews themselves. The Hebrew nation up untill about 100AD had it’s own very different culture. The battle between the Greek or Western Culture and the Easter Culture of the Jews finally came to a close with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. A few kep points to understand about Hebrew culture…. The were concete thinkers. They saw things by virture of what they could hear, see, taste, smell, and touch. Abstract concepts like “believe”  or “create from nothing” were not in their vocabulary. An example would be “wind.” The Hebrews were a nomadic people and would be guided by the tradewinds to guage direction and season. They could not see the wind but could see it’s effects on the leaves of the trees or the sand at their feet. Neither could they see God but they could see his effect on the creation. So thinking in picture stories and concretely they called him a wind or breath, which is translated to English scriptures as “Spirit”. Later on the word “Holy” was added to this. The Hebrew concept of holy is “set asside for a special purpose”. The utemsils of the Tabernacle were called Holy because they were for special purposes. The word Holy was added to differentiate between a “normal” wind and the moving of God upon his creation.

Martian,

Actually to understand the “Spirit” of God you need to look at the Scriptures,,,,a novel idea.

Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the “Spirit” of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Spirit = Ruwach (noun, feminine) H7307

But as you can see Holy is not a part of the sentence.

The sentence actually reads Ruwach Elohim in Hebrew meaning Elohim's Spirit.

And since Spirit is a noun and not an adjective Spirit is part of Elohim.

Gen 2:4 has YHWH Elohim showing that YHWH is part of Elohim, also.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2010,03:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2010,14:28) Davd fun i have a question for you ;God is spirit so no body i mean physical one, so how could a non physical body blow air into a physical body ? this is not possible to me,so the best answer is that it was not air but “a spirit of live” that was given to Adam. God give us of his spirit to live. wen you born we usually say that it is the first breath a baby take that bring him live ,this is true but the reality is that it is the spirit to live that God give us, that is making us looking for that first breath of air. this is my understanding Pierre Hi Terraricca,                    “Spirit of life”=144 an 15 hundred 74 and 19 forty 84 and 19 four 60 thousand 102 = 373 (74th Prime number) Rev.7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number! (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. “Word of God”(86) and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) is “YHVH”(63). In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Terraricca,

an hundred and forty and four thousand=373 (the 74th prime number)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:40)

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:13) Holy Spirit in Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and is a female noun so how does “She” become a “Father”? Shalom David-be-fun, First let me say: Welcome to h-net! The same way El-shaddi means “the breasted one” is our heavenly Father. B'Shem YHVH

Bump for DBF

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:40)

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:13) Holy Spirit in Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and is a female noun so how does “She” become a “Father”? Shalom David-be-fun, First let me say: Welcome to h-net! The same way “El-shaddai”=63 means “the breasted one” is our heavenly Father(YHVH=63). B'Shem YHVH

Hi DBF,

                        El-shaddai(63) = YHVH(63)[יהוה]

Hebrew does NOT have any nutreal gender words; there is ONLY the masculine or the famine; Good thing,
because people here on h-net want to call the “HolySpirit” falsely an 'it'; so She (although not accurate) is better!
You should not let this constraint (in wording) detour you from understanding “Our YHVH”=117, and his “Bible Truth”=117!  
Jesus taught us to use “Our Father”; knowing the “HolySpirit” was his father(Matt.1:18,1:20 / Luke 1:35) and ours(Eph.4:6)!

          God Spirit(117) = (117)יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Hi Ed,

If the Holy Spirit is God the Father, what is the word ?

In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.

I can't read all this thread, it's like 103 pages,

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2010,03:20)

Hi David, I have lined “Bible Truth”=117 up to help you to better understand “Our YHVH”=117; the God of our fathers. John 1:1… In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.           English       ↔      Hebrew          ↔    Greek      “Word of God”  ↔      “God”            ↔ “The Word” “Word of God”(86) =   (אלהים](86]       =  [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs          YHVH(63)    =  ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63)   =  The Bible(63)      Spirit of God(117) = (117)יהוה האלהים = Bible Truth(117) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

For Shimmer

[shimmer]

Hi Ed, can you explain it so I can understand, ok, so, the Word and the Holy Spirit are both God ?

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 30 2010,22:34)

Hi Ed, can you explain it so I can understand, ok, so, the Word and the Holy Spirit are both God ?

Hi Shimmer,

I explained it Here

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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