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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,15:55) Hi Ed,
Of course God is not just His Holy Spirit.
But the Holy Spirit is OF God.
Hi Nick,Yes; “of course” I know that.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2010,06:06) Hi Oxy,
“But if the SPIRIT OF HIM who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you HE who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through HIS SPIRIT which dwells in you”
Rom8.11
Hi Nick,Couldn't be any plainer!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.,
If the Holy Spirit was Jesus physical father then the linage of Mary is irrelevant as the linage would then be traced through the father, I.e. the Holy Spirit. The exception is if you do not consider the Holy Spirit a Jew. Technically correct but I don’t see the Jews considering it a non-Jew.
You also do not seem to comprehend the concept of one God. That means God does not have sons that are Gods. In other words no physical sons at all because there is only one God.
Now according to Romans 1:3 Jesus human linage is that he is a Son of David and Luke 3:23-31 does not disagree with that no matter how much anyone tries to contort it meaning to make it do so. There is no other physical linage mentioned in Romans 1:3 and both Luke and Matthew only speak of human linage even though Joseph’s is by adoption.
Romans does state that through the spirit of holiness Jesus is declared to be the Son of God just like those who enter the new covenant will also be declared to be sons of God through that same spirit of holiness, Romans 8:15.
I read Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35 / Luke 20:41:44 and none of them even stated that the Holy Spirit injected a sperm into Mary. Not a one because that is just speculation.
This much I can say scripture states though not in the words I use. Scripture declares that much as God created Adam God also created Jesus. When God created Adam he used the dirt the ground and when God created Jesus he us genetic material that that in a direct paternal line to David. The most convenient genetic material that fits that description that is available in Mary’s womb would come from Mary herself. In this way Jesus began existence in Mary’s womb or at least her reproduction system. Going beyond that is speculation and your speculation is obviously in error.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Nick Hassan,
I do not share the speculation with Ed J. that implies Jesus is a God or half-God as there is only one God a fact scripture is insistent on. You may choose to disagree with scripture on that point but I choose not to.
Scripture is also insistent that Jesus began existence in Mary’s reproductive system which is why it clearly states that he was conceived as a gift by the Holy Spirit. That after all is what “what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit” means, Matthew 1:20.
In short Scripture is clearly not speaking of sperm but rather of a zygote or later stage of preborn human life. We know from Romans 1:3 that Jesus human genotype was a descendant of David. We also know that scripture does not speak of any other genotype for Jesus even calling him human after he ascended,1 Timothy 2:5. So on all of this I am going with scripture and not the speculation of man.
I did go with speculation on one issue and that is that the genetic material used was that of Mary’s. I stated why I preferred that opinion but I am certainly not going to say it is worth arguing about as long as the other person basically agrees that genetic material from the line of David was the result. I reserve the right to voice my confidence their argument is a weak argument as I voiced the strongest argument I could think of. Scripture does not cover the point beyond stating that genetic material from the line of David is the result.
That the title Son of God is the same as used in Romans 8:15 is obvious since the “Abba, Father” should make it clear to anyone who is guided by the Spirit of God, Mark 14:36.
So it is not a matter of intellect but whether or not one is led by God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi KW,
Where does Scripture mention genetic material?
Being the Son of David according to the flesh does not specifically state that.Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,03:33) Ed J., 1) If the Holy Spirit was Jesus physical father then the linage of Mary is irrelevant as the linage would then be traced through the father, I.e. the Holy Spirit. The exception is if you do not consider the Holy Spirit a Jew. Technically correct but I don’t see the Jews considering it a non-Jew.
You also do not seem to comprehend the concept of one God. That means God does not have sons that are Gods. In other words no physical sons at all because there is only one God.
2) Now according to Romans 1:3 Jesus human linage is that he is a Son of David and Luke 3:23-31 does not disagree with that no matter how much anyone tries to contort it meaning to make it do so. There is no other physical linage mentioned in Romans 1:3 and both Luke and Matthew only speak of human linage even though Joseph’s is by adoption.
Romans does state that through the spirit of holiness Jesus is declared to be the Son of God just like those who enter the new covenant will also be declared to be sons of God through that same spirit of holiness, Romans 8:15.
3) I read Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35 / Luke 20:41:44 and none of them even stated that the Holy Spirit injected a sperm into Mary. Not a one because that is just speculation.
This much I can say scripture states though not in the words I use. Scripture declares that much as God created Adam God also created Jesus. When God created Adam he used the dirt the ground and when God created Jesus he us genetic material that that in a direct paternal line to David. The most convenient genetic material that fits that description that is available in Mary’s womb would come from Mary herself. In this way Jesus began existence in Mary’s womb or at least her reproduction system. Going beyond that is speculation and your speculation is obviously in error.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
HI Kerwin,1) This is explained in Luke 20:41-44.
Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?2) Compare Joseph's lineage in Matt.1:6-16 to Mary's Father Heli's lineage in Luke 3:23-31.
3) Are you trying to turn God into a man so 'you' can understand him better?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,15:42) Nick Hassan, I do not share the speculation with Ed J. that implies Jesus is a God or half-God as there is only one God a fact scripture is insistent on. You may choose to disagree with scripture on that point but I choose not to.
Scripture is also insistent that Jesus began existence in Mary’s reproductive system which is why it clearly states that he was conceived as a gift by the Holy Spirit. That after all is what “what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit” means, Matthew 1:20.
In short Scripture is clearly not speaking of sperm but rather of a zygote or later stage of preborn human life. We know from Romans 1:3 that Jesus human genotype was a descendant of David. We also know that scripture does not speak of any other genotype for Jesus even calling him human after he ascended,1 Timothy 2:5. So on all of this I am going with scripture and not the speculation of man.
I did go with speculation on one issue and that is that the genetic material used was that of Mary’s. I stated why I preferred that opinion but I am certainly not going to say it is worth arguing about as long as the other person basically agrees that genetic material from the line of David was the result. I reserve the right to voice my confidence their argument is a weak argument as I voiced the strongest argument I could think of. Scripture does not cover the point beyond stating that genetic material from the line of David is the result.
That the title Son of God is the same as used in Romans 8:15 is obvious since the “Abba, Father” should make it clear to anyone who is guided by the Spirit of God, Mark 14:36.
So it is not a matter of intellect but whether or not one is led by God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,You really need to…
Compare Joseph's lineage in Matt.1:6-16 to Solomon(son of David)
to Mary's Father Heli's lineage in Luke 3:23-31 to Nathan(son of David).
This should help you to understand instead of just continuing in ranting speculations of genetics!Ed J.
You clearly do not understand Luke 20:41 as what you claim you understand clearly contradicts Romans 1:3 and scripture cannot be broken.
I have a question to ask.
Kish called Saul Lord because God made Saul king and yet Kish is Saul's father.
Jesse called David King because God made David king and yet Jesse is David's father.
Why are these two statement true or not true?
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,18:48) Ed J. You clearly do not understand Luke 20:41 as what you claim you understand clearly contradicts Romans 1:3 and scripture cannot be broken.
I have a question to ask.
Kish called Saul Lord because God made Saul king and yet Kish is Saul's father.
Jesse called David King because God made David king and yet Jesse is David's father.
Why are these two statement true or not true?
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Why do you go about setting Scripture against Scripture?
Mary's father Heli in Luke 3″23-31 is what Romans 1:3 means!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAccording to Scripture also Early Church Fathers;
The Son is the Logos;
Holy Spirit is SophiaAs a pair of scales in which the needle represents the Father, and the two platforms represent the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Ed J.
I did not set scripture against scripture but I did point out what you believe sets scripture against scripture and thus must be false.
Paul was a Jew and well knew that the Jewish heritage is traced through the father unless there is no applicaple father. You are choosing to believe Jesus had an applicable father and that father is the Holy Spirit.
You cannot have it both ways either Jesus is David's Son through Mary or Jesus is the Holy Spirit's Son and thus not decended from David.
Make up your mind.
I know which way I choose as there is but one true God and that is not Jesus. Jesus is the One the true God made King over all things in heaven and on earth.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (shimmer @ July 20 2010,20:28) According to Scripture also Early Church Fathers; The Son is the Logos;
Holy Spirit is SophiaAs a pair of scales in which the needle represents the Father, and the two platforms represent the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Hi Shimmer,For you to see things more clearly Click here.
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,20:51) Ed J. I did not set scripture against scripture but I did point out what you believe sets scripture against scripture and thus must be false.
Paul was a Jew and well knew that the Jewish heritage is traced through the father unless there is no applicaple father. You are choosing to believe Jesus had an applicable father and that father is the Holy Spirit.
You cannot have it both ways either Jesus is David's Son through Mary or Jesus is the Holy Spirit's Son and thus not decended from David.
Make up your mind.
I know which way I choose as there is but one true God and that is not Jesus. Jesus is the One the true God made King over all things in heaven and on earth.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Krewin,You want me to pay attention to you, shouldn't you do likewise?
It is Mary's Father's lineage you seem to have trouble with!
This is what “The Bible” teaches, so pay close attention!25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
50%: Joseph was NOT Jesus' Father; The HolySpirit was! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)At Jesus birth: Jesus was 50% God(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% from Judah(King)!
At Jesus baptism by John the baptizer, he was filled up with the “HolySpirit” beyond measure ! (John 3:34 / Acts 10:38)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd. J
Jesus was without a father though adopted by Joseph. In the gospels when Jesus is called the son of David by the Jews it is most likely because of Joseph accepting him as his legitmate offspring even though he knew that was not genetically the case.
You are not speaking decent which is traced through the father's line except in determining ethnicity. Scripture on the other hand is speaking of decent and does not mention genetic heretity. The closest it comes to doing so is the passage in Romans 1:3 that merely states Jesus is 100% a decendant of David.
The Holy Spirit is a spirit and thus has no geneotype just as the wind it is named after and thus cannot contribute 50% of its geneotype to anyone.
You speculate but your speculation disagrees with what is written and you choose to refuse to acknowledge that disagreement. That is your choice and like any other choice you must account for it before God.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,21:30) Ed. J You are not speaking decent which is traced through the father's line except in determining ethnicity. Scripture on the other hand is speaking of decent and does not mention genetic heretity. The closest it comes to doing so is the passage in Romans 1:3 that merely states Jesus is 100% a decendant of David.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Kerwin,Romans 1:3 DOES NOT SAY 100%, you are clearly reading into the text!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ July 20 2010,21:30) Ed. J The Holy Spirit is a spirit and thus has no geneotype just as the wind it is named after and thus cannot contribute 50% of its geneotype to anyone.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi Krewin,Clearly here you are at odds with… (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35 / Luke 20:41-44)!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J.
You should read and understand those scriptures as none of them state that the Holy Spirit either coupulated with Mary or injected sperm into her in any other way.
What they do state is that Jesus was created in Mary's womb.
The Spirit of God is God's power in action in this case as it was when the world was created.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
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