The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Adam was 50% God's breath and 50% dirt?
These percentages are folly as all men are just men.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The breath of God is not God.

[kerwin]

Ed J.

You are using Mark 12:35-37 or a parallel scripture and making an assumption that Jesus was claiming that the Anointed One was not David's Son.  

That intepretation is obviously wrong since it would clearly contradict Romans 1:3 and other scriptures and scripture cannot be broken.

Have you considered the possibility that Jesus was speaking of Solomon who was made king after David and thus was not David's Lord.

I am not sure of what Jesus' point is here since David was Lord over his own father Jesse.   I am certainly interested in hearing other interpretation which I can test against what I know scripture does state.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2010,21:01)

Hi ED, Adam was 50% God's breath and 50% dirt? These percentages are folly as all men are just men.

Hi Nick,

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
I did not say that you did; why are you saying that?
The bible says Adam was made from 100% dust, not 50%?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2010,21:22)

Ed J. You are using Mark 12:35-37 or a parallel scripture and making an assumption that Jesus was claiming that the Anointed One was not David's Son.   That intepretation is obviously wrong since it would clearly contradict Romans 1:3 and other scriptures and scripture cannot be broken. Have you considered the possibility that Jesus was speaking of Solomon who was made king after David and thus was not David's Lord. I am not sure of what Jesus' point is here since David was Lord over his own father Jesse.   I am certainly interested in hearing other interpretation which I can test against what I know scripture does state. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

The Hebrew lineage records are “ONLY” kept from the males side!
I see the necessity to Post this again for you as you seem to be a little confused on this.

25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
50%: Joseph was NOT Jesus' Father; The HolySpirit was! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)

The “HolySpirit” was Jesus' father, Luke 20:41-44 IS CORRECT and should be viewed as such.
Since Mary's Father Heli's lineage goes back to Nathan(son of David) Rom.1:3 is also correct!
You cannot use one scripture to discount another, this is a 'very common mistake here'! (';')

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed. J.

The Holy Spirit was not Jesus Father as that would render Romans 1:3 incorrect as the Hebrew linage is kept from the father side except in certain cases.

I believe that the exceptions are when the child has no Hebrew father.   In this case the desent is traced through the mother.  One example of this is Timothy in Acts 16:1 who was circumcised by the apostles as a Jew.  Another example is Jesus.

I worked to confirm this last fact but have been unable to do it as of yet.  I do know that certain Jewish traditions do trace decent through the mother and Timothy's circumcism is consistent with that tenet.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

Reworded my second paragraph to be more accurate.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2010,22:21)

Ed. J. 1) The Holy Spirit was not Jesus Father 2) as that would render Romans 1:3 incorrect as the Hebrew linage is kept from the father side except in certain cases. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

1) What your saying would disunion Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35 / Luke 20:41:44 among others.

2) No it wouldn't if you would consider (Mary's father lineage of Heli) Luke 3:23-31.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
I am surprised you would dispute the words of scripture.
They come from God's Spirit

[Oxy]

So if the Holy Spirit is Jesus' father, why didn't Jesus call the Holy Spirit called Father? Jesus clearly recognised that the Holy Spirit wasn't His father here:

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
God does everything in creation by His Spirit.
Your confusion is because you think they are separate

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,15:43)

So if the Holy Spirit is Jesus' father, why didn't Jesus call the Holy Spirit called Father?

Hi Oxy,

He did; but put this to this aside for a minute…

Would you agree that John 4:24 is
referring to (YHVH) God The Father?
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that
worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Of course God is not just His Holy Spirit.
But the Holy Spirit is OF God.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
We are made in the image of God.
God in heaven has a soul.

Ps11.5
Is 42.1
Heb 10.38

[Oxy]

I agree with John 4.24 referring to the Father, and acknowledge that it is only through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we can worship Him adequately.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
You mean the Spirit of the Father[Mt 10]?

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,19:20)

Hi Oxy, You mean the Spirit of the Father[Mt 10]?

I mean the Holy Spirit.

Yes the Holy Spirit is of the Father.

In the same way that the Son is of the Father.

I have made the above statement so many times Nick I'm surprised you still have to ask what I mean.

Think about it, the Holy Spirit enables us to worship the Father. Does that make Him (the Holy Spirit) the Father? I think not.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Does your hand not feed you and attend to your needs?
Is logic the endpoint?

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,19:25)

Hi Oxy, Does your hand not feed you and attend to your needs? Is logic the endpoint?

You make no sense Nick.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Then take your time.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
“But if the SPIRIT OF HIM who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you HE who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through HIS SPIRIT which dwells in you”
Rom8.11

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