The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,10:30)

Hi T, Jn17 shows that unity.

nick

JN 17:17 “ Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Exactly

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,05:40)

Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2010,08:26) Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2010,09:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2010,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick, Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father.  And the Father is also God, btw.  Two Gods, one Godhead. John 1:18 Context NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God 3  known. 4 Hi Lightenup, Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?                    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except                     distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English… John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),                which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org This is how John 1:18 is translated in several translations: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father,  has made God 3  known. 4 NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him. MSG © No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. BBE © No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is. NRSV © No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known. NKJV © No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him . Hi Kathi, Do you believe what “ALL” these translations are saying (TO YOU); Kathi? Click Here <– Third Post down. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj, I believe what John 1:18 is saying to be true.  Don't you?  If you are asking me which translation is the most accurate, I would say that the NASB is the most accurate in regards to this verse. Thanks for your patience Ed!

Hi Kathi,

In another thread you seem to be disagreeing with this verse? (Click Here)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Lightenup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2010,18:54)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,05:40) Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2010,08:26) Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2010,09:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2010,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick, Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father.  And the Father is also God, btw.  Two Gods, one Godhead. John 1:18 Context NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God 3  known. 4 Hi Lightenup, Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?                    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except                     distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English… John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),                which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org This is how John 1:18 is translated in several translations: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father,  has made God 3  known. 4 NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him. MSG © No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. BBE © No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is. NRSV © No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known. NKJV © No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him . Hi Kathi, Do you believe what “ALL” these translations are saying (TO YOU); Kathi? Click Here <– Third Post down. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj, I believe what John 1:18 is saying to be true.  Don't you?  If you are asking me which translation is the most accurate, I would say that the NASB is the most accurate in regards to this verse. Thanks for your patience Ed! Hi Kathi, In another thread you seem to be disagreeing with this verse? (Click Here) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj,
Two beings are God, one that no one has seen and then the one that came from the one no one has seen. The Son can be seen and Abraham saw Him. I don't see any discrepancy. The God that Abraham saw is the only begotten God, begotten before the creation of anything in heaven or on earth. That same God came to walk among men in the body of flesh and was named Jehovah Saves, Jesus.

The God who no one has seen except His Son is called Jehovah and the Son was given His Father's name of Jehovah. Two beings named Jehovah, both God, one existed before the other, thus, one greater than the other.

[NickHassan]

Hi lU,
You are paddling your own canoe and getting further from truth every day.
Jesus is the SON of God by his own words.
Are they not enough?

[Laurel]

There is no such thing as the trinity. That is men's way who are not of the Spirit to try to identify themself as GOD, YHWH Elohim. When ever a person believes in something they can not proove, it is because it is false. But these self proclaimed righteous men will have you believe that you can be like Elohim knowing good and evil, and it has been the message of HaSatan from the beginning!

Let's see. Je_us is a man/god and we are supposed to be like him, so now we can all be man/gods and worship any way we want to. We can forsake the Holy TORAH of Mosheh, and we can worship on any day we choose now that we are mighty ones, we have the aughority to change the written word, and let's just tell people that we have been inspired by the spirit to do these things….

Guess what people, the TRUTH is that NO MAN even the Messiah has the authority to chang one yood or one iota of the Set apart TORAH. All things can be proven through TORAH, and when man seeks to do away with it, He seeks to destroy not only the Messiah Who is the Word, but also YHWH Elohim, the Author of the Word.

How does truth taste so far?

[Laurel]

Did you know that even the pagan's believed a trinity. Have you seen the statues of the mother/child in just about every religion on the planet? It came from ancient Babylon, and it is high time you all came out of Babylon.

[Ed J]

Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,08:41)

There is no such thing as the trinity. That is men's way who are not of the Spirit to try to identify themself as GOD, YHWH Elohim.  When ever a person believes in something they can not proove, it is because it is false. But these self proclaimed righteous men will have you believe that you can be like Elohim knowing good and evil, and it has been the message of HaSatan from the beginning! Let's see. Je_us is a man/god and we are supposed to be like him, so now we can all be man/gods and worship any way we want to. We can forsake the Holy TORAH of Mosheh, and we can worship on any day we choose now that we are mighty ones, we have the aughority to change the written word, and let's just tell people that we have been inspired by the spirit to do these things…. Guess what people, the TRUTH is that NO MAN even the Messiah has the authority to chang one yood or one iota of the Set apart TORAH. All things can be proven through TORAH, and when man seeks to do away with it, He seeks to destroy not only the Messiah Who is the Word, but also YHWH Elohim, the Author of the Word. How does truth taste so far?

Hi Laurel,

Welcome to the forum!

If your learning Hebrew then you should realize Hebrew has no “W” sound in their Alphabet.
Haven't you learned this FACT yet?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of (YHVH)… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2010,15:25)

Hi lU, You are paddling your own canoe and getting further from truth every day. Jesus is the SON of God by his own words. Are they not enough?

Nick,
I'm sorry to hear that you think that but I must paddle towards what God has shown me and not the 'Jesus is just a mere man' dogma that you have adapted.

Jesus is Lord!  Kiss the Lord!

[Laurel]

Oh Ed j,
You are SO wrong! the Hebrew latter VAV also called UAU is the OO sound that you hear in the letter w, and actually the letter w is two u's or v's side by side. Haven't you heard?

[Laurel]

Oh Ed j,
You are SO wrong! the Hebrew latter VAV also called UAU is the OO sound that you hear in the letter w, and actually the letter w is two u's or v's side by side. Haven't you heard?

Also Ed, i just want to say that my Teacher comes by way of the Set-apart Spirit of YHWH ELohim, of Whom you do not know, but you are learned in the spirit of men, else you would have known that the Hebrew letter VAV sounds like a W or an OO, as in the word fool.

PEH VAV LAMED. Comprenday dude? ( the word is fool)

[Ed J]

Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,14:15)

Oh Ed j, You are SO wrong! the Hebrew latter VAV also called UAU is the OO sound that you hear in the letter w, and actually the letter w is two u's or v's side by side. Haven't you heard?

Hi Laurel,

In Jesus “Real” name ([יהשוע המשיח] YÄ-shü-ă hä-Mäh-shē-äkh) the “Vav” is pronounced like soon.
But the “Vav” is pronounced as a consonant (with the “V” sound) in [יהוה] (YHVH) YÄ-hä-vā.

B'shem YHVH
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hebrew has no “W” sound!
.

[Ed J]

Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,14:22)

Oh Ed j, You are SO wrong! the Hebrew latter VAV also called UAU is the OO sound that you hear in the letter w, and actually the letter w is two u's or v's side by side. Haven't you heard? Also Ed, i just want to say that my Teacher comes by way of the Set-apart Spirit of YHWH ELohim, of Whom you do not know, but you are learned in the spirit of men, else you would have known that the Hebrew letter VAV sounds like a W or an OO, as in the word fool. PEH VAV LAMED. Comprenday dude? ( the word is fool)

Hi Laurel,

Matt.7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Matt. 5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause
shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,
shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Laurel]

i know that i will be judged according to the way in which i judge others, but was'nt it you who first judged me ?
This is why i do not judge of myself, but the Word of YHWH judges according to Mosheh.

[Laurel]

i know that i will be judged according to the way in which i judge others, but was'nt it you who first judged me ?
This is why i do not judge of myself, but the Word of YHWH judges according to Mosheh. and you will be judged in the same way. So when i was pointing out the oo sound in the word foo you took it upon yourself, did you not? I did not say you were a fool, but i was pointing out thst the letter WAW/VAV/UAU in Hebrew is the same letter that sounds like OO in fool. And you judged yourself!

[Ed J]

Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,14:55)

i know that i will be judged according to the way in which i judge others, but was'nt it you who first judged me ? This is why i do not judge of myself, but the Word of YHWH judges according to Mosheh.

Hi Laurel,

John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

B'shem YHVH
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Laurel]

i know that i will be judged according to the way in which i judge others, but was'nt it you who first judged me ?
This is why i do not judge of myself, but the Word of YHWH judges according to Mosheh. and you will be judged in the same way. So when i was pointing out the oo sound in the word fool you took it upon yourself, did you not? I did not say “you” were a fool, but i was pointing out thst the letter WAW/VAV/UAU in Hebrew is the same letter that sounds like OO in fool. And you judged yourself!

[Laurel]

i know that i will be judged according to the way in which i judge others, but wasn't it you who first judged me ?
This is why i do not judge of myself, but the Word of YHWH judges according to Mosheh. and you will be judged in the same way. So when i was pointing out the oo sound in the word fool you took it upon yourself, did you not? I did not say “you” were a fool, but i was pointing out thst the letter WAW/VAV/UAU in Hebrew is the same letter that sounds like OO in fool. And you judged yourself!

[Laurel]

(i am sorry for the technical difficulties i am having. i am not familiar with how to edit my comments yet. As it has been a wile since i posted here.):(

[Laurel]

Ed you can quit with the babel, i am not impressed!

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