The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Is baptism in the Spirit sufficient proof of salvation?

Many will tell him of what miracles they did in his name and he will not know them.

Best to have the 3 witnesses of 1 jn5.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,15:53)

Hi T, Is baptism in the Spirit sufficient proof of salvation? Many will tell him of what miracles they did in his name and he will not know them. Best to have the 3 witnesses of 1 jn5.

nick

those Christ will reject are those who did serve him but for the wrong motives,

if you have the spirit that's prove enough, yes.who gives the spirit and understanding?

but it take truth to prove the spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
Many other spirits claim to be the Spirit.
Test the spirits

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,16:04)

Hi T, Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God. Many other spirits claim to be the Spirit. Test the spirits

nick

Many other spirits claim to be the Spirit…like what ??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Tradition.
Religious spirits.
Denominational spirits.
The leaven of the pharisees.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,16:24)

Hi T, Tradition. Religious spirits. Denominational spirits. The leaven of the pharisees.

nick

that right and that is what you suffer of,

[Lightenup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2010,08:26)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2010,09:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2010,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick, Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father.  And the Father is also God, btw.  Two Gods, one Godhead. John 1:18 Context NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God 3  known. 4 Hi Lightenup, Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?                    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except                     distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English… John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),                which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org This is how John 1:18 is translated in several translations: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father,  has made God 3  known. 4 NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him. MSG © No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. BBE © No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is. NRSV © No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known. NKJV © No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him . Hi Kathi, Do you believe what “ALL” these translations are saying (TO YOU); Kathi? Click Here <– Third Post down. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Edj,
I believe what John 1:18 is saying to be true. Don't you? If you are asking me which translation is the most accurate, I would say that the NASB is the most accurate in regards to this verse.

Thanks for your patience Ed!

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Interesting.

[terraricca]

nick

what understanding did you recieved from you baptism in water,??the baptism of repentance.

was Christ water baptism the same? if so ,of what sin should he have to repent??

what is John means that;
Mt 3:8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
Mt 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

and also;Mt 3:14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

what baptism is John talking about?

what is Christ means ?;Mt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Jesus indeed submitted to water baptism to fulfill all righteousness.
The apostles water baptised all those called in Jesus name
But folks now have decided it is not necessary.

Why do you call me LORD LORD and not do as I say?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,08:01)

Hi T, Jesus indeed submitted to water baptism to fulfill all righteousness. The apostles water baptised all those called in Jesus name But folks now have decided it is not necessary. Why do you call me LORD LORD and not do as I say?

nick

were does it says that Christ say to be baptised in water in his name???

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Jesus preached to the Jews and only when his Spirit returned at Pentecost was baptism into him of water and the Spirit begun.

In baptism you died with him.[rom6]
Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies…

[terraricca]

nick

this is my info;;Mk 10:39 “We can,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with,
Mk 11:30 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men? Tell me!”
Lk 3:3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Lk 12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!
Lk 20:4 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men?”
Ac 1:22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
Ac 10:37 You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
Ac 13:24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel.
Ac 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.
Ac 19:3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
Ac 19:4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”
Ro 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
1Pe 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
I hope you are very sure of yourself.
Spreading a false gospel has risks.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,08:54)

Hi t, I hope you are very sure of yourself. Spreading a false gospel has risks.

nick

if you think i am preaching a new gospel, say how?

but prove your point with scriptures not with opinions,
and do you know what the word gospel stand for??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
One of the popular new gospels is you are saved if you have the Holy Spirit.
Peter's command about Cornelius at the end of Acts 10 answers that.

Some are tossed out of the wedding feast for being wrongly clothed.
We are clothed in Jesus in baptism.[Gal3.27]

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,09:26)

Hi T, One of the popular new gospels is you are saved if you have the Holy Spirit. Peter's command about Cornelius at the end of Acts 10 answers that. Some are tossed out of the wedding feast for being wrongly clothed. We are clothed in Jesus in baptism.[Gal3.27]

nick

you turning in circles,i have given you those scriptures why are you re-quote them

you did not understand them ,so like religion you just quote scripture based on you ignorance of them.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
God manifests in His creation by His Spirit.
The Lord too is the Spirit.

Unity we too can enjoy.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2010,10:11)

Hi T, God manifests in His creation by His Spirit. The Lord too is the Spirit. Unity we too can enjoy.

nick

could you explain what you say,

i try to understand it the way you would but i could not.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Jn17 shows that unity.

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