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Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father. And the Father is also God, btw. Two Gods, one Godhead.John 1:18
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No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2 the Father, has made God 3 known. 4Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick,
Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father. And the Father is also God, btw. Two Gods, one Godhead.John 1:18
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No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2 the Father, has made God 3 known. 4
Hi Lightenup,Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English…
John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHI edj
it is unbelievable of what people here can come up with,and they call themselves believer ,i wander in what they believe certainly not in the scriptures , they build there own copy of it ,and God as to move into positions that is acceptable to them,even Christ as no power they took it away ,they made him God,they have seen him and they know for having be close to him so that they have seen how they are living together in heaven,twisting scriptures ,
and the fact that they believe it ,they do not understand why you do not believe them,
they have become expert at deceit.
Quote (terraricca @ April 05 2010,15:19) HI edj it is unbelievable of what people here can come up with,and they call themselves believer ,i wander in what they believe certainly not in the scriptures , they build there own copy of it ,and God as to move into positions that is acceptable to them,even Christ as no power they took it away ,they made him God,they have seen him and they know for having be close to him so that they have seen how they are living together in heaven,twisting scriptures ,
and the fact that they believe it ,they do not understand why you do not believe them,
they have become expert at deceit.
Thanks Terraricca…………………Ed JHi,
The Lord is the Spirit.[2Cor3]..just as from the Lord, the Spirit.[2Cor3]
These verses are the key to unlocking all the mystery of what is written mystically about Jesus.
The Spirit of God and Christ had been shared with the brothers and Paul teaches that the Lord that they knew on earth was now able to be communed with as the Spirit. That Spirit had no beginning and had existed before his birth and been involved in creation and had been as the rock from which water flowed in the desert.
The Lord as Spirit came in the flesh but men focus on the flesh.
The flesh contributes nothing.[Jn6]hi nick
yes that true and people don't now that all the works that Christ as performed was for his father ,and wen all thing will over ,i mean his work he will give all things back to his father so all things can be
to the fullness of God,and would subject himself to his father.Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote The flesh contributes nothing.[Jn6]
Do you believe that? I ask because nothing means neither good nor bad as it has no effect.
I wonder why Jesus did not state “nothing good” instead” Perhaps he was impliing that?
Hi KW,
It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words I have spoken to you are spirit and are life…
Implication??Seek the Spirit in the Word.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,13:48) Hi KW,
It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words I have spoken to you are spirit and are life…
Implication??Seek the Spirit in the Word.
He meant exactly what he taught. The body without a spirit is dead, or non-living as was Adam before God breathed life into him. It is not the weakness of the body that causes death but rather the weakness of the spirit that fails to substain one's life. That is why God declared the wages of sin is death.I do admit that in order to have eternal life you need an eternal spirit and that is the spirit of righteousness you obtain and walk according to by obeying all that Jesus teaches. I do not like the way you chose to put that as we seek to obtain the spirit from God and not from scripture. Scripture merely instructs us in how to seek it.
Hi KW,
WEAK SPIRIT?
We have another new concept?Natural life is given by God one day at a time.
We take our bucket to the well daily till He says 'enough' and the rope breaks and it falls to the bottom[Ecc12]“You fool. This very night your soul is required of you”[Lk12.20]
Obedience to Jesus does not lead by itself to the gift of the Eternal Living Spirit.
No man can boast.That Spirit is given to the obedient who also ask, seek, knock[Lk12]from their new Father.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 06 2010,15:06) Hi KW,
WEAK SPIRIT?
We have another new concept?Natural life is given by God one day at a time.
We take our bucket to the well daily till He says 'enough' and the rope breaks and it falls to the bottom[Ecc12]“You fool. This very night your soul is required of you”[Lk12.20]
Obedience to Jesus does not lead by itself to the gift of the Eternal Living Spirit.
No man can boast.That Spirit is given to the obedient who also ask, seek, knock[Lk12]from their new Father.
That is a mistranslation of Luke 12:20 as that Greek word is “psychē” which though translated “soul” in some cases can also be translated to mean “the breath of life”. The later though fits the context of the scripture better than the former.What do you think of John 6:63 which states Jesus words are life?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2010,01:47) Hi KW,
Are you best equipped to rule on translations?
The Spirit of God spoke through Jesus.
I actually put it before you so that you could decide for yourself whether Jesus was stating that God would take the man's life or his soul. Does not the breath of life that is in a man leave him when he dies? Where does it go?I am on more unsteady ground about what happens to the soul upon a person's death as I have no actually done research on it but instead rely on hearsay. I have heard it goes to Hades to await The day of judgment and is was Samuel's soul the witch of Endor called forth to speak to King Saul.
Hi KW,
The spirit of man returns to God.[Ecc12]
Scripture is replete with information about earthly Sheol.
But the mansions of Christ await the sons of the first resurrection.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2010,04:05) Hi KW,
The spirit of man returns to God.[Ecc12]
Scripture is replete with information about earthly Sheol.
But the mansions of Christ await the sons of the first resurrection.
I was disturbed by my lack of knowledge and so have done a little research and found a verse to confirm my understanding. The verse is 33:22 which states:Job 33:22(KJV) reads:
Quote Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
The NIV has angels of death instead of destroyers but is otherwise similar.
I agree that after The Day of Judgment the sons of God shall come in the mansion that Jesus has built for them.
Hi KW,
After the judgement they go to the mansions??
The gates of Hades cannot hold Jesus or his brothers.Job 33.22 in context speaks of man coming towards the end of his life.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2010,04:21) Hi KW,
After the judgement they go to the mansions??
The gates of Hades cannot hold Jesus or his brothers.Job 33.22 in context speaks of man coming towards the end of his life.
Hades does not hold Jesus or his brother's since they either already have been or will in the future be resurrected. It is only after God judges the quick and the dead that the sheep and the goats are separated.After all “How do you separate them before they are judged?”
Why do you think what you stated about the context of Job 33:22 invalidates what I said?
Hi KW,
Those who will be raised in the first resurrection have already passed over from death to life and do not come unto judgement.[Jn5]Then more sheep are found in the second resurrection 1000 years later by mercy according to their mercy[Mt25]
Why would I want to invalidate your words?
Nick Hassan,
I do not know of this teaching of the two resurrections. I am more familiar with the Old Testament that only seems to speak of one. Is a teaching that comes from the book of Revelations?
Are your perhaps misunderstanding scripture that is actually teaching the same thing that Daniel 11:33-35 speaks of?
In John 5 the word “judgment” is not for guilt or innocence but rather for sentencing of those found guilty. Since the children of God are found innocent they are not subject to sentencing. The goats and the sheep will still be separated on that day.
I do not know why you would desire to invalidate my words but I did get that impression from what you wrote. Perhaps I was mistaken and you actually agree with my assessment..
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