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  • #795680
    Proclaimer
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    GOD, followed by a comma SO THE STRESS IS ONLY ON the title of GOD, and also separated from the title of FATHER in order to make us aware that he was not referring to just one TITLE only ALMIGHTY GOD, but to another particular GOD TITLE!

    So why not follow up with God the son then? Why say Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father?

    Why is it not written anywhere the terms God the Son or the Father of God?

    I believe what is written and clearly the one true God is the Father. Jesus said it himself so clearly that the only way to get around it is to deny what he said and call him a liar or to say that the translation is not correct.

    John 17:3 (English-NIV)
    Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 (English-NIV)
    Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

    1 Corinthians 3:22-23 (English-NIV)
    22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas {That is, Peter} or the world or life or death or the present or the future all are yours,
    23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God…

    Ephesians 4:4-6 (English-NIV)
    4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    John 20:17 (English-NIV)
    Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,
    `I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

    Romans 15:6 (English-NIV)
    so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    2 Corinthians 1:3 (English-NIV)
    Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

    Revelation 1:1 (English-NIV)
    The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
    He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

    And what are you going to do about all the other scriptures that talk about God as exclusively the Father.

    You have to ignore hundreds of scriptures. Best to believe all scripture is it not?

    #795681
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Carmel, give me one verse where God is mentioned. Any verse.

    #795706
    carmel
    Participant

     

    GOD, followed by a comma SO THE STRESS IS ONLY ON the title of GOD, and also separated from the title of FATHER in order to make us aware that he was not referring to just one TITLE only ALMIGHTY GOD, but to another particular GOD TITLE!

    t8,

    What I posted ABOVE, it clearly says:

    to make us aware that he was not referring
    to just one TITLE only ALMIGHTY GOD,

    but to another particular GOD NEW  GLORIFIED TITLE!

    AS JESUS CHRIST , GOD ,THE FATHER!  OF THE NEW WORLD!!!  ISAIAH 9:6

    GOD ALMIGHTY WAS NEVER A FATHER TO THE GENTILES!

    HE WAS SO ONLY TO THE JEWS!

    GOD ALMIGHTY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE JEWS,  WAS ONLY FATHER OF SONS, UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME JESUS DIED!

    THE FACT THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON! HE NEVER HAD DAUGHTERS!

    SO HE COULD NEVER BE FATHER OF CHILDREN!

     

    FROM JESUS’ DEATH ONWARDS GOD ALMIGHTY BECAME THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION ONLY IN and BY

    JESUS CHRIST  

    HE CREATED ANEW ALL THROUGH HIS OWN BLOOD, AND BECAME FATHER OF IT!

    HE PERFECTED ALL FOR THE FATHER!

    YOU SIMPLY WON’T ACCEPT THAT

    GOD ALMIGHTY IS WELL PLEASED TO BE ONLY RECOGNIZED ON EARTH THROUGH THE NEW TITLE OF

    JESUS CHRIST

    AS A CONFIRMATION THAT HE GLORIFIED! HE ENRICHED HIMSELF!

    THE FACT THAT WHEN HE COMES AGAIN HE COMES IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER! TO JUDGE ALL!

    GOD ALMIGHTY WON’T JUDGE SINCE HE IS NOT RECOGNIZED ON EARTH AS A HUMAN BEING, THE SOURCE OF THIS PLANET!

    CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:

    But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST AS GOD!

    THE NEW TITLE WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY HAS ENRICHED HIMSELF WITH

    is for ever and ever: OK? ETERNAL!!!

    WHICH CONFIRMS THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD EVENTUALLY POSSESS THAT PARTICULAR TITLE ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD ,

    SINCE IT IS ETERNAL!

    a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. WHOSE’S KINGDOM, OBVIOUS:

    BOTH OF THE SON, AND OF THE FATHER SINCE THEY ARE ONE!

     

    9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity:

    therefore God, your God,……….

    HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE IN THE ABOVE PHRASE?

    TWO:

    GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER TO JESUS ONLY! and  IT IS CLEAR “YOUR GOD”and

    GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION JESUS CHRIST

     

    ALL WHAT YOU POSTED IS IRRELEVANT!

     

    since the title of

     

    FATHER BELONG  BOTH TO

    GOD ALMIGHTY,  RELATED TO THE SPIRITS ONLY  to be  glorified on the last day!

    AND TO JESUS CHRIST!  RELATED  BOTH TO THE SPIRIT AND FLESH!

    GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AS!

     

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

     

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

     

     

    #795709
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Your explanation is clouded.

    T8,

    I was hoping that you are capable enough that through my post you pin point

    WHAT YOU CONSIDERED CLOUDED

    AND CONTRADICT ME SPECIFICALLY USING SCRIPTURE!

    BUT INSTEAD YOU BROUGHT SCRIPTURE WHICH YOU YOURSELF, OBVIOUS SINCE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY DOCTRINE, NEVER REALIZED THAT THEY ALSO ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE TRINITY!

    BY THE WAY:

    IS GOD ALMIGHTY ALSO CLOUDED:

    SINCE THROUGHOUT THE OT. GOD’S ABODE WAS DEPICTED IN A CLOUD!!!

    Numbers 9:18 ………..All the days that the CLOUD abode over the TABERNACLE, they remained in the same place:

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795710
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Instead you focus on twisting the event to prove a Trinity?

    t8,

    Unless you pin point and contradict me specifically,

    MINE STANDS!

    IT IS YOUR TASK TO MAKE WHAT YOU CONSIDERED TWISTED NOT TWISTED!

    IT’S NO USE JUST POST SCRIPTURE WITHOUT ANY PROOF SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO MINE!

    OTHER SCRIPTURES WHICH YOU POSTED, NEED TO BY DEFINED, SOMETHING WHICH YOU NEVER DO! WHY?????

    ARE YOU IN CONFUSION?????????

    IF NOT

    DEFINE!!!!!!!!!!

    MY DEFINITIONS ARE TWISTING ACCORDING TO YOUR INTELLIGENCE, BUT YOU ARE NEVER IN THE POSITION TO DEFINE THE SAME SCRIPTURES WHICH I POSTED!! WHY?????????

    ARE YOU IN CONFUSION????????

    WITH EVERY RESPECT,TO ME YOU ARE, UNLESS YOU JUSTIFY YOUR INTELLIGENCE!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795711
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi @Carmel

    And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
    4 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them.

    NOTICE AS PETER WAS STILL TALKING AND WANTED TO MAKE THREE SEPARATE TENTS,
    ONE CLOUD COVERED THEM,WHICH SIGNIFIES THAT ALTHOUGH THEY WERE THREE, THEY REPRESENTED THE UNITY OF THE TRINITY, THE GODHEAD AS ONE IN JESUS!

    CONFIRMED AGAIN IN GOD’S OWN WORDS:

    5 And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him.

    NOTICE,AFTER THE CLOUD COVERED THE THREE OF THEM,NOT WHEN JESUS WAS ON HIS OWN, OR THE CLOUD COVERED JESUS ONLY,

    GOD DECLARED AND SAID THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, OK?

    THE THREE OF THEM, IN ONE CLOUD, REPRESENTED

    THE SON OF GOD AS A DIVINE BEING IN

    SPIRIT, SOUL, AND FLESH!

    THE GODHEAD IN ITS GLORY!

    So Elias, Moses and Jesus is one divine being?
    One representing each aspect of flesh, soul and spirit?

    #795712
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Carmel

    a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. WHOSE’S KINGDOM, OBVIOUS:

    BOTH OF THE SON, AND OF THE FATHER SINCE THEY ARE ONE!

    9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity:

    therefore God, your God,……….

    HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE IN THE ABOVE PHRASE?

    TWO:

    GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER TO JESUS ONLY! and IT IS CLEAR “YOUR GOD”and

    GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION JESUS CHRIST

    So what you are saying is the verse that says “your throne oh God” is about Jesus hundreds of years before Jesus and although it says it is talking about a King you are saying that king is Jesus, right?

    So you view time also as a trinity meaning that time is triune, past, present and future all happening at the same time so reading scripture is nonlinear whereas the relevence of Genesis to revelation is essentially the same in time, which is why the angels can be called sons of God, Adam can be called son of God and Jesus can be called son of God as that is the spiritual aspect of triune existence whereas Jesus is God because he becomes God but was already God. Is that sounding about right?

    #795720
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Carmel, try to make one relevant point per post. People don’t really have time to reply to an essay every time. The whole discussion is the essay. It requires more effort and explanation to refute your statements, so imagine how long a decent reply would be. Maybe 3 or 4 times as long.

    I asked you for one scripture with the word “God” in it.

    You can ask me for one thing, and we can progress like that.

    You can also make one relevant point with some backup, and I will answer that point with support verses.

    We can then move from point to point knowing that each point has been discussed properly.

    #795748
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Carmel, try to make one relevant point per post. People don’t really have time to reply to an essay every time. The whole discussion is the essay. It requires more effort and explanation to refute your statements, so imagine how long a decent reply would be. Maybe 3 or 4 times as long.

    I asked you for one scripture with the word “God” in it.

    You can ask me for one thing, and we can progress like that.

    You can also make one relevant point with some backup, and I will answer that point with support verses.

    We can then move from point to point knowing that each point has been discussed properly.

    t8,

    My intention is not to answer every point BUT IN ORDER THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO CONTRADICTS ME , OBVIOUS, HE PROVES THAT I AM TELLING LIES, SO HE FIRST PICK ONE WHICH ACCORDING TO HIM IS A LIE, THEN THROUGH MY WHOLE POST HE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO VERIFY THAT HE IS RIGHT!

    THEN LIKEWISE, HE MUST PRODUCE SCRIPTURES WHICH WHEN IT IS DEFINED IT PROVES THAT MY DEFINITION IS A LIE!

    NO ONE ON HEAVEN NET DID THAT TO ME UP TO THIS VERY DAY!

    SIMPLY, WITH EVERY RESPECT CHILDISH WAYS, BY POSTING SCRIPTURES WHICH ACCORDING TO HIS INTELLIGENCE CONTRADICTS ME, HEAR THIS NOW:

    WITHOUT HE HIMSELF DEFINES THE SCRIPTURE HE HIMSELF PRESENTED!

    SO HE IS CONFIRMING EITHER THAT HE IS NOT IN THE TRUTH, OR HE IS NOT UP TO STANDARD TO DO SO, THEREFORE NOT HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ASK FOR MORE CLARIFICATION FROM MY SIDE! SINCE WE BOTH WANT THE TRUTH TO BE REVEALED!

    I AM ANXIOUS TO READ SOME PROVEN CONTRADICTIONS SCRIPTURALLY DEFINED, NOT OPINIONS!

    MY LAST POST TO YOU IT IS VERY DETAILED PURPOSELY TO PROVE THAT I AM NOT INVENTING THINGS BUT THEY ARE PROVEN AND MATERIALISED IN SCRIPTURES!

    UNLESS YOU PICK JUST ONE SPECIFIC DETAIL AND EXPAND ON IT IN ORDER TO PROVE THE TRUTH,AND MINE A LIE!

    WHICH TO ME IT IS VERY RARE, SINCE I AM CERTAIN THAT MINE IS GENUINE, THEREFORE NOT MINE AT ALL SINCE IT IS COMING FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT,

    MINE STANDS!

    HAVE A GO!

    I AM WAITING

    MY POST IS CRAMMED WITH SPECIFIC DETAILS SO SIMPLY TAKE YOUR PICK!

    SHOW ME YOUR TRUTH

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795752
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    I doubt if anyone here has the same faith in your own ideas that you have.

    You are your own foundation.

    Sand.

    #795753
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    How can you be so sure of yourself

    when you are so lacking in evidence for your ideas?

    #795821
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    THEN LIKEWISE, HE MUST PRODUCE SCRIPTURES WHICH WHEN IT IS DEFINED IT PROVES THAT MY DEFINITION IS A LIE!NO ONE ON HEAVEN NET DID THAT TO ME UP TO THIS VERY DAY!

    Jesus, Peter, and Paul did that 2000 or so years ago Carmel. If they did it, then that should be enough.

    Jesus:
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Peter:
    He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

    Paul
    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    #795826
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Jesus:
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    t8,

    Pure truth:

    This is eternal life:

    A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS NOT TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD, OBVIOUS SINCE ALMIGHTY GOD PASSED ALL ONTO JESUS TO ACCOMPLISH AND PERFECT ALMIGHTY GOD’S PREVIOUS

    ONLY GOOD WORK!

    that they  MAY know you,       OTHERWISE ON EARTH, YOU WOULD BE UNKNOWN, HIDDEN, HANDICAPPED A SPIRIT BEING LIKE ALL YOUR ENEMIES!

    IN ORDER THAT ALL YOUR ENEMIES MAY KNOW, THROUGH THE ETERNAL LIFE PROCESS, JESUS CHRIST, APPLIED AND GIVEN TO ALL THE DEAD, WHILE IN HIS GLORIFICATION IN HELL,

    THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ONLY, WHILE GOD ALMIGHTY IS IN HEAVEN HAVING A REST UP TO THIS VERY DAY, YOU WOULD BE PROCLAIMED ONLY IN, AND BY JESUS CHRIST PRESENCE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES!

    the only true God,and Jesus Christ!

     

    NOW CHEW, CHEW AND CHEW

    THE ACTUAL MEANING OF THAT GENUINE PROOF THAT

     

    OUR LORD GOD                                              THE FATHER                         TRIUNE

    JESUS         THE WORD MADE FLESH      THE SON                                 TRIUNE

    CHRIST          HIS SOUL                                  THE HOLY SPIRIT                 TRIUNE

     

    IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, ON EARTH!

    ALL IN THE SON!

    WHILE THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS IN HIS LONG REST TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE ABOVE

    LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795829
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Peter:
    He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

    T8,

    “But who do you say that I am?”

    “You are the Christ, THE ONLY TRUE GOD ON EARTH TO BE,

    SINCE IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME THAT PETER SAID SO,HE WAS NOT YET DIED,

    the Son of the living God.” THE EQUIVALENT TO HIS FATHER! IN FLESH FORM!

    flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

    HAVING A LONG REST!

    ADMIRING HIS ACHIEVEMENT THROUGH HIS SON,GOD OF ALL FLESH ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!

    FOR WHOM, OBVIOUS BOTH FOR THE FATHER AND HIS SON SINCE THEY ARE ONE!

    John 14:8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you;

    and have you not known me? Philip,

    he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?

    10Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.

    11Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

    12Otherwise believe for the very works’ sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do; and greater than these shall he do.

    13Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in IN MY NAME,

    OK? NOT IN GOD ALMIGHTY’S NAME

    that will I do: SO WE ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS’ NAME AND JESUS, NOT GOD ALMIGHTY! OK? WILL DO, GOD ALMIGHTY IS REALLY HAVING A REST ISN’T HE?????

    that the Father may be glorified in the Son. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IS THAT HOW GOD ALMIGHTY IS GLORIFIED, IN HIS SON, NOT IN HIMSELF, NOT BY HIMSELF!

    OF COURSE HE IS AN UNKNOWN GOD AS A SPIRIT ONLY ON EARTH!

    THE FACT THAT WHEN SATAN COMES ON EARTH ANDN HE SAYS ” I AM GOD! MANY WOULD BELIEVE THAT HE IS GOD!

    DO YOU PERCEIVE WHAT IN THAT MOMENT WHAT WOULD EVENTUALLY HAPPEN, IN ORDER THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD BE JUSTIFIED? NO NO, NOT GOD ALMIGHTY COMES TO ANNIHILATE SATAN,BUT:

    JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND FATHER ON EARTH,

    IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER AGAIN THE FATHER WOULD BE IN HIS REST!

    MORE:

    14If you shall ask me any thing in my name, that I will do. EMPHASISES:

    SO WHEN WE ASK JESUS, WITHOUT MENTIONING THE TITLE GOD / ALMIGHTY, JESUS, NOT GOD ALMIGHTY, DOES ALL FOR US

    WHAT A REST GOD ALMIGHTY IS HAVING!

    WHAT AN ENRICHMENT GOD ALMIGHTY ACHIEVED THROUGH “THE WORD” HIS SON, THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT AND FLESH BEING IN

    JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD, ON EARTH, ABOVE EARTH, AND BENEATH THE EARTH!

    it is not in any way a kind of antagonism, TALKING TO YOU IN THIS MANNER IT IS SIMPLY

    A LOVING MADNESS TO THE TRUTH FOR THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST!!!!!

    THE ONLY AND MOST POWERFUL NAME THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES,

    MY AIM NOT TO PLEASE MEN

    BUT

    JESUS CHRIST

    OTHERWISE GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD BE UPSET!DISAPPOINTED, IT WOULD LOOK THAT HE DID NOTHING WITH

    “THE WORD”

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795830
    carmel
    Participant

    For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

    t8,

    YOU DIDN’T READ THIS SINCE YOU POSTED THE ABOVE SO:

    REFLECT ON THE ABOVE STATEMENT BY PAUL:

    for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;

    DEFINITION:

    FOR US THERE’S BUT ONE GOD,THE FATHER,

    What is the reason that Paul to make SURE that people would understand the truth, regarding the ALMIGHTY GOD didn’t say :

    THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND FATHER,!

    to stress the importance on the above PARTICULAR TITLE and confirms that he was referring IN THE TRUTH TO

    GOD ALMIGHTY???? ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BUT instead He created WHAT LOOKS A DOUBT and he said:

    GOD, followed by a comma SO THE STRESS IS ONLY ON the title of GOD, and also separated from the title of FATHER in order to make us aware that he was not referring to just one TITLE only ALMIGHTY GOD, but to another particular GOD TITLE!

    Also to notice the article THE applied to FATHER!

    By using the title THE FATHER we would definitely become aware that GOD ALMIGHTY WAS NOT ALWAYS IN POSSESSION IN THE TRUTH OF THAT PARTICULAR TITLE! and also that from that moment on HE BECAME SO FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME!

    The fact that it was separated with a comma from the title GOD !

    SO OFFICIALLY GOD ALMIGHTY WAS NEVER YET DECLARED ON EARTH AMONG HUMANS IN GENERAL IN FLESH AND BLOOD AS

    THE FATHER, with the exception of the JEWS, and

    THE CONTEXT OF THAT PASSAGE IS RELATED TO THE GENTILES! US!

    AND PAUL WAS THE APOSTLE RESPONSIBLE FROM THE GENTILES TO PREACH TO THEM THE GOSPEL, ORDERED BY JESUS HIMSELF!

    THE FACT THAT PAUL SAID:

    FOR US, definitely as humans IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY GENTILES!!!!!

    since GOD ALMIGHTY was ALWAYS

    FATHER only of SONS, AND OF JEWS AS HIS CHOSEN NATION!

    So Paul JUSTLY ESTABLISHED the OFFICIAL PERFECT reference both to

    GOD ALMIGHTY and TO HIS GLORIFICATION IN, and BY, HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ON EARTH AS

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    This is more asserted with the following CHARACTERISTICS mentioned by Paul after that particular title hereunder:

    from whom all things came and for whom we live;

    Reflect:

    FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME,

    The devil never came out from GOD ALMIGHTY!

    BUT FROM JESUS, “THE WORD” THE SON AS A SPIRIT HE DID COME OUT! Since he was the first born of ALL creatures!

    Adam never came out from GOD ALMIGHTY

    BUT FROM JESUS, “THE WORD” THE SON AS A SPIRIT HE DID COME OUT! since he was the first born of all creatures!

    Eve never came out from GOD ALMIGHTY!

    BUT FROM JESUS, “THE WORD” THE SON AS A SPIRIT HE DID COME OUT! since he was the first born of all creatures!

    THERE’S NO SPACE , AND TIME AVAILABLE TO LIST WHAT GOD ALMIGHTY CREATED IN, AND BY “THE WORD” THE SON, JESUS’ SPIRIT, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, BUT TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO PONDER READ HEREUNDER AND REFLECT VERY DEEP BEFORE YOU HAVE THE LEAST EAGERNESS TO ANSWER THIS POST, BECAUSE IT IS NOT MINE, BUT

    THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ME IS TALKING:

    JESUS as a human in flesh and blood, never came out from  GOD ALMIGHTY as such:

    BUT FROM JESUS, “THE WORD” AS A SPIRIT HE DID COME OUT!since he was the first born of all creatures!

    SO WHEN PAUL SAID:

    FOR US , THERE’S ONE GOD, THE FATHER,

    HE DEFINITELY never MEANT to refer to GOD ALMIGHTY ONLY IN THE TRUTH BUT TO:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRST

    THE LAST DETAIL:

    the last bit of attribute which Paul allocated to

    GOD, THE FATHER, IS:

    through whom we live.

    Now reflect:

    IN ORDER TO BE ACCEPTED BY GOD ALMIGHTY,

    THROUGH WHOM WE ACTUALLY LIVE:

    NO DO NOT ANSWER I WILL DO IT FOR YOU SINCE WITH EVERY RESPECT,

    IT IS NOT ACCEPTED WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING:

     

    THROUGH ” THE WORD” JESUS’ SPIRIT, THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT BETWEEN GOD ALMIGHTY AND HUMANS!

    THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT

    JESUS CHRIST

    WHOM THE FATHER IS WELL PLEASED TO ABIDE WITHIN!

    AND  ENRICHED HIMSELF WITH THE TITLE OF:

     

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

     

     

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles

    #795835
    princess
    Participant

    “Carmel, try to make one relevant point per post. People don’t really have time to reply to an essay every time. The whole discussion is the essay. It requires more effort and explanation to refute your statements, so imagine how long a decent reply would be. Maybe 3 or 4 times as long.”

     

    Hear! Hear! Bravo T8.

    Perhaps to get all three gods voices out of ones head is the reason to post like that. one god says this, then the other chimes in then the other needs a say so too. But it is not uncommon for a individual to believe in many gods. Eastern religions are well known for it. The rub has to be pulling from the religion one has taken on and try to intertwine it to make it so.

    When I read the texts of the Christian bible, I do so without interference, no church, no internet just meditation and prayer for about two years. The first time I heard of the trinity I thought the person was mad. Many years later, it still holds true for me.

    Really don’t know how after all these years T8 of seeing this, you continue on ……it’s like three against one! ha!

    #795883
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    lol Princess.

    300 to 1.

    🙂

     

    #795884
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Charles that is another long post, but I read it through and there is nothing in there that proves that Jesus is God, but that he came from God.

    This we already know.

    Jesus said it himself here:

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

    Is the Father your God, or is the Trinity your God?

    #796173
    carmel
    Participant

    testing the trinity

    I believe God created the universe and therefore has no need for any space.

    Kerwin,

    It seems to me that you cannot accept the PURE FACT THAT

    WHAT WE CALL EMPTY SPACE

    IS NOT EMPTY SPACE AT ALL!

    I AM IGNORING ALL SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSIONS!

    SINCE TODAY THEY ARE LOOKING AT SPACE AS SOMETHING ALIVE, NOT DEAD LIKE IT WAS SO BELIEVED!

    I AM MORE THAN CONVINCED THAT SPACE ITSELF IS A MYSTERIOUS INFINITE ETERNAL EXISTENCE WITH OWN MYSTERIOUS DIMENSIONS, WHICH IN OUR TERMS ONLY WE CALL THEM LENGTH, WIDTH, AND DEPTH!

    SO SPACE IS NOT JUST SPACE AS SUCH, EVEN THE WORD ITSELF ISN’T SO, RELATED TO GOD, SO IT IS ONLY IN OUR TERMS SO!

    BUT THAT SPACE IS ALSO

    THE MOST MYSTERIOUS ENTITY THROUGHOUT AND WHAT WE CALL

    GOD ALMIGHTY

    I give you and example:

    A PERSON ENTERED IN WHAT FOR HIM WAS AN EMPTY ROOM HE PUT ON THE LIGHT SWITCH!

    BUT HE WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO REALIZE THAT IT WASN’T EMPTY AT ALL!

    SCIENCE WOULD NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE SWITCH ON NEVER MIND SEE WHAT THAT EMPTY SPACE CONTAINS!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Philosophical meanderings?

    Scripture tastes better.

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