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Nick…………The question is not is the bible true, it how much understanding we have of whats said brother. If you go and think about what Jodi and I have both said about Satan and Devil beings existing as real persons and read the scriptures posted you might see the points we are making.
love and peace to you and yours………………………………………….gene
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Yes this belief in your understanding often trumps what is written.
But will it stand the fires of testing?Hi,
'The thief comes to steal and destroy'Look at his activities in Jb 1-2.
Theft and destruction of life and joy and health.
God created and satan pulls down.
God gives life and satan steals it.
Satan offers shortsighted worldly glory and success but the gospel is preached to the poor.
Better to find bare sufficiency in Christ now and inherit the kingdom.
Nick………if that is not a scramble of ignorance i don't know what is. Listen because you lack understand of what I said in no way makes it invalid, to me your understanding is that of a novice, or you could easily understand what i have written, But you still have not left the doctrine of Preexistence much less the Doctrine about devils and demons. Pray about it maybe GOD will given you what you lack in understanding. O and what scripture say “Satan” offers short sited worldly glory . especially seeing there is no actual “BEING” KNOWN AS SATAN. There are a lot of SATANS RUNNING AROUND THOUGH AND THEY ARE NOT INVISIBLE BEINGS THEY ARE VISIBLE BEINGS KNOW AS PEOPLE who have an (ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT) IN THEM. As Peter was as well as Judas, and the Pharisees. You have never gotten over that hurdle Yet. IMO
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You are not the expert to explain matters to novices like me because you cannot abide in scripture.Nick………If that's is not a scramble of ignorance i don't know what is. Listen because you lack understand of what I said in no way makes it invalid, to me your understanding is that of a novice, or you could easily understand what i have written, But you still have not left the doctrine of Preexistence much less the Doctrine about devils and demons. Pray about it maybe GOD will given you what you lack in understanding. O and what scripture say “Satan” offers “short sited” worldly glory . especially seeing there is no actual “BEING” KNOWN AS SATAN. There are a lot of SATANS RUNNING AROUND THOUGH AND THEY ARE NOT INVISIBLE BEINGS THEY ARE VISIBLE BEINGS KNOW AS PEOPLE who have an (ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT) IN THEM. As Peter was as well as Judas, and the Pharisees. You have never gotten over that hurdle Yet. Satan or ADVERSARIAL (SPIRIT INTELLECT) is on of the seven SPIRIT of GOD> It cause us and GOD to question and not (BLINDLY OBEY) nothing wrong with it but it does cause ramifications , it can be good or it can be bad pending on the how it is used. It can be good if it prevents us form doing wrong , it can be bad if it prevents us from doing whats is right. It is one of GOD'S Spirits he created as part of His creation one of the seven Spirits (intellects) of GOD. All seven Spirit (INTELLECTS) of ONE GOD are distinct rational INTELLECTS or SPIRITS. IMO
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Satan took Jesus to various places including the top of the temple offering him many worldly things in return for worship. Every son of Adam begins life in the realm of Satan and only Jesus can give them freedom.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,08:58) G,
You are not the expert to explain matters to novices like me because you cannot abide in scripture.
Nick………Some body needs to , because you sure don't seem to be getting what scriptures mean on your own. But it does take the (SPIRIT) INTELLECT of TRUTH to understand them. And if you did you would not be a Preexistence then would you. IMOG,
You take to yourself the job of arbiter of sacred scripture?
But you are not yet abiding in the Word of God?
Let others do so till you find your feet.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,09:02) G,
Satan took Jesus to various places including the top of the temple offering him many worldly things in return for worship. Every son of Adam begins life in the realm of Satan and only Jesus can give them freedom.
Nick……..Wrong , the spirit lead Jesus into the wilderness and He was tempted by (an adversarial spirit (intellect) in him) , which He mastered with the HOLY SPIRIT (INTELLECT) given HIM by the FATHER. At the Jordan, Jesus' battle was not with a external being it was with himself, his own will, The same battle we all face, false religion has made it appear as something external of us, when in fact it is our own lusts and pride that we must master, with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT given to Us from GOD the FATHER, the (same way Jesus mastered it, so must we). Jesus said to him that over comes (EVEN) as (I) have, same exact process using the same HOLY SPIRIT Jesus used to overcome (HIMSELF) his own WILL. IMOQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,09:10) G,
You take to yourself the job of arbiter of sacred scripture?
But you are not yet abiding in the Word of God?
Let others do so till you find your feet.
Nick………How do you know that i am or not abiding in, scripture, Just because you lack understanding does not mean i or others DO. I think you are the one taking it on your own self to arbitrate Scriptures to us Not i. I am just expressing my opinion of what they mean to me. No one, you or anyone else, has to believe what i am saying. IMOHi,
The dominion of darkness is different to the kingdom of heaven.
God dwells in all those in His kingdom and can use them to do his work.
Satan has a hierarchy of servants called demons that are arranged in legions at times.He can indwell a being like the beast but cannot indwell all men just using his servants to do his will.
Jesus dealt with the prince of darkness and wants us to keep stealing his domain from him setting men and creation free.
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There are a lot of wisdom from different sources in this thread.
The list of books quoted in the bible, but not in the canon, shown by Mercy on page 9 is amazing imo.
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1 Peter 1.6f
“Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations.; that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto raise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ; whom having not seen, ye love, in whom though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory; receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
The salvation of the soul, through our faith , is the hope of all, and God wants us to not be distracted by temptation and who causes it, to work in the grace of God, given in Jesus, to reach that goal. Temptation overcome is what strengthens us. Satan deserves no glory as the defeated enemy of God and the tester of our faith.
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