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EdJ: Please no speeches, just answer “Yes” or “no”
<strong class=”bbcode-strong”>“Begotten” means God has a son, right?<span class=”bbcode-color” style=”color: white;”>…</span>Ps. 90:2 Before the mountains were <b>born</b>, or ever You <b>gave birth </b>to the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You <i>are </i>God – <i>KJ3—Literal Translation Bible – 2005 Edition</i>
Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were <b>born</b> Or You gave <b>birth</b> to the earth and the world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. – <i>NASB</i>.So the earth (and its mountains) are ‘sons of God,’ since all things are from (out of) Jehovah, who alone is the Father, the true God.
Hi BD and Tigger,
When the bible uses the term “Son of God” referring to Jesus, what specifically does that mean?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODMatthew 12:17-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
18 “Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen,
My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!
I will put My Spirit upon Him,
And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.3:13New King James Version (NKJV)
13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
BD……..You have properly presented it ACCORDING to our scriptures brother. IMO
JESUS IS NO GOD, HE NEVER EVEN REMOTELY CLAIMED HE WAS, HE TOLD HE HAD A GOD AND FATHER THE SAME GOD AND FATHER WE HAVE.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Bo, the God of gods glorified the Lord of lords and the Lord of lords glorifies the God of gods. They serve each other.
Again and again you repeat the same errors and you are so unwilling to concede anything but it may be your mind won’t let you, it’s like being caught in a mental trap it works like this I show you a clear verse:
Psalm 8:5
For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.You will say that this applies to Jesus and the word Glory means to serve so I go deeper:
Psalm 8:4-6New King James Version (NKJV)
4 What is
- man
that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels,[a]
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.6 You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands;
Everything you claim about Jesus is claimed about Mankind.
This Psalm is about Man not any particular man just mankind/humanity/ordinary folkPsalm 8:6New King James Version (NKJV)
6 You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,You simply need to believe what Jesus taught , what he was trying to remind everyone of….how the hypocrites and powerful master have controlled the Masses and took illegal satanic possession over our shared birthright.. He came to say wait a minute let me explain how you all were given the same abilities and rights to this world but some of you have overpowered others to the point where you are trying to take what I gave all of you and have only a few of you control it.
Until you understand what God gave Adam and Eve you will never understand Jesus of the whole point of the Bible…you will continue to believe that there were gods sitting around for thousands of years until one said maybe you should go down there and let them kill you because if they kill a god they will somehow now be eligible to eternal life but it can only happen if you Jesus whom I have known from eternity past go down there and upset them enough to kill you but here’s the thing you have been with me for an eternity so there’s actually nothing to worry about because you are god like me and you already have eternal life so just consider it being uncomfortable for a few days….now LU I ask you what is a crucifixion to someone who in your opinion actually invented pain, life , death and everything else…it would be meaningless.
Now consider human after human doing the best they can to be in the image and likeness of God and many come close but none have the chance like Adam did so God creates a MAN starting from scratch and watches over him and teaches him and THIS MAN pulls off his complete mission is filled with the Holy Spirit although he wasn’t always filled with it: Luke 2:40New King James Version (NKJV)
40 And the Child grew and became strong in spirit,[a] filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
Jesus is AMAZING and WONDERFUL because he a MAN that epitomizes the saying: Genesis 1:26New King James Version (NKJV)
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[a] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
If Jesus is God then how is it a big deal that God has power and authority over his own creation and further if Jesus is God even his crucifixion would have no value…but if you are a Man approved by God then your righteousness has actual value because your standards and abilities are vastly different. You have not only made Jesus insignificant you have also turned God into multiple beings violating the first commandment.
This is why I keep explaining to you that Jesus is Lord but Lord does not = God. So the Lord God has nothing to do with 2 beings …the term Lord God is the same as saying God of gods i.e the Lord of All the GODS and even though Jesus taught us that even that figure of speech is wrong because there are no gods except THE ONE TRUE GOD i’m just explaining the point
You have put all things under his feet
Hi BD,
When the bible uses the term “Son of God” referring to Jesus, what specifically does that mean?
Matthew 12:17-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
18 “Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen,
My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!
I will put My Spirit upon Him,
And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.3:13New King James Version (NKJV)
13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
Hi BD,
Only begotten Son means Christ is God’s offspring.
Are you suggesting the word Son somehow means
(according to bodhitharta) servant instead of Son?If this is what you are suggesting, what evidence do you have
for suggesting that the Scripture is using the wrong word?___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODLet’s examine what you are saying: The Bible says this about the believers:
Acts 17:27-29Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
27 that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
If we take this as it reads then we are literally begotten by God? or if you prefer
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.Would 1 John 5:8 only be speaking of Jesus?
These terms were simply used for impact:
1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.Now here is the clearest verse on this matter:
I beseech thee for
- my son
Onesimus, whom
- I have begotten
in my bonds:
Is Onesimus the literal begotten son of Paul?
This would be more accurate:
Psalm 116:16
O Lord, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.Jesus is The Servant of God and Son of Mary
Proverbs 29:21
He that delicately bringeth up his servant from a child shall have him become his son at the length.Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.So in conclusion the most Honor a person could have was to be called “Son” it is the ultimate elevation of a servant
Galatians 4:7
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.That is the evidence that I have according to the scriptures
Hi BD, (see bible references)
Then you agree with Christians that we MUST be “born again” to become a “Son of God”; right?
1. “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)2. “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)3. “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself
beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Romans 8:15-16)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODBD…….YOU ARE PRESENTING JESUS RIGHT, keep up the good work brother.
Jesus is the first man to achieve what GOD has in mind for us all. He is a second ADAM, not a preexisting GOD of anykind. HEBREWS clearly states what GOD has in mind for all mankind, and as it says, “BUT WE DO NOT YET SEE ALLTHINGS UNDER HIS (mankinds) FEET, BUT WHAT DO WE SEE?, WE SEE JESUS (a man also) “NOW” CROWNED WITH GLORY AND HONOR AND ALL THING UNDER HIS FEET. BOTH THINGS IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
THAT is the heritage for all mankind. IT IS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES YOU HAVE QUOTED.
Satan in acted a doctrine has moved JESUS’ IDENITY AWAY FROM OUR EXACT IDENITY WITH HIM, it is what i have coined as the “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” that nearly all Christanity has fallen into. It was started by the Gnostice at the time of Paul and John, they fought their teachings and even branded it Antichrist. When the apostles died it took root in the church and became a full blown teaching at the council of NICA IN 225 AD.
In 2 Ths 2,that is exactly what PAUL WAS WRITING ABOUT. There is no “REAL” MAN OF SIN, that was to come, it was a LIE about JESUS BEING A GOD, sitting in the temple of GOD beng desplayed as a GOD, THIS “LIE” TURNED the “IMAGE OF JESUS FROM A ordinary man, into a GOD Creating a man of sin, AND THIS “LIE”, WILL REMAIN in the CHURCH, untill Jesus himself will return and will completely ABOLISH that false teaching by his own mouth. It’s all written there in 2Ths 2, for anyone who has eyes to see it.
peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi EDJ
When we talk about being “Born Again” I have often found it to be interesting that some Christians would ask others “are you born again?” which also would be followed or preceded by the question “Are you saved?” so lets investigate these terms and see what we come up with:
First of all it is interesting to note that the term is only found in the Gospel of John and so it follows a style which confuses many readers because John speaks very SPIRITUAL which some interpret as literal such as John 1:1 which people read physically to equate Jesus with “being” God, so you don’t find this in any other Gospel, so you get the scripture saying “the Word Became Flesh” or as I understand it as being conveyed that the words of God were made Manifest in Christ Jesus so likewise this principle is: The word came from God (descended)
Likewise overcoming the flesh it was placed in, it has ascended i.e. The son of Man rises to The “status” Son of God.John 3:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[a]
Now notice that it is the “Son of Man” who has descended i.e. The word became Flesh….Son of Mary
John 1:33-34English Standard Version (ESV)
33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
John declared this because:
John 3:3English Standard Version (ESV)
3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[a] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
From this you can see that John was born of the Spirit and could clearly see Jesus in a way others could not John in this sense was similar to Jesus in not having a need to be “born again” speaking of John:
Luke 1:15English Standard Version (ESV)
15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. to be “born again” seems to correspond in the simplest sense to:
Romans 12:2English Standard Version (ESV)
2 Do not be conformed to this world,[a] but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
so now here is a big problem because while people want to do the right things and strive hard the way of the world and entrapments and temptations of the devil cause man to continue to sin even while they struggle to be completely transformed over time so to be “Saved” is an act of entrusting the guidance of God.
John 3:14-15English Standard Version (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.[a]
By looking towards the Messiah.
Numbers 21:8-9English Standard Version (ESV)
8 And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze[a] serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
Now the most important thing is, it was not the fiery serpent that saved anyone it was the belief in the fiery serpent that caused them not to perish and while that was physical it is the same with Jesus spiritually.
so being saved is an act of repentance but no one is saved until the end
Matthew 10:22
and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.so no one is saved but God Willing they will “be saved” because it is worthy to note the actions Moses took were because of the disbelief and ungratefulness of the people in the first place:
Numbers 21:5-11English Standard Version (ESV)
5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food.” 6 Then the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 And the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you. Pray to the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
So in conclusion be grateful to God with enduring faith and you will “Be Saved”
Hi BD,
The term “born again” is used both in John 3:3-8 and also in 1Peter 1:23.
In 1Peter 1:23 it says we are “born again” by “the Word” of God, And in John
3:6, 3:8 Jesus makes it clear that the term “born again” means born of the Spirit.One is born of the Spirit by means of Jesus Christ (The Messiah) baptizing us with God’s HolySpirit.
And our salvation (as in our resurrection: ref. Rom.8:11) is assured because of Jesus’ resurrection.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi BD,
Q. The bible says: the Apostles preached “The Gospel” – what does that mean? …what is “the Gospel”?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODYou see, when we speak of being born again what does being “born of the spirit ” mean? this is why I detailed an understanding of what it meant in my opinion just saying “born of spirit” is a generic catch phrase.
The Gospel is the good news but the actual Gospel that Jesus preached is the gospel of the kingdom
The apostles taught a different Gospel they taught the Gospel of Jesus
and still Paul taught his version of the Gospel to gentilesMy primary interest is in the Gospel of the Kingdom of God because what we have that developed later was similar to the bronze serpent and how the people first believed in it for salvation from the snake bites but then began worshiping the bronze snake itself the same was people have made Jesus a god:
2 Kings 18:4English Standard Version (ESV)
4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).[a]
Also, you said:
3All things were made by him:
all things were made BY THE WORD, JESUS to be, FROM WITHIN LUCIFER/ or LUCIFER THROUGH “THE WORD”, JESUS to be
and without him was made nothing that was made.
and without LUCIFER/ “THE WORD”, JESUS to be, was made nothing that was made.
Lightenup, and ALL
LUCIFER was the first creature that GOD THE FATHER THROUGH “THE WORD” ever created!
The first ever time that God pronounced
LET THERE BE LIGHT
BUT ALSO:
BY WHICH “THE WORD” THE HOLY MAN TO BE ,Jesus to be CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD, and by and from within Lucifer, BECAME
THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE!
So you cannot mention THE WORD without also refer to Lucifer THE EVIL MAN TO BE and vice versa THE FACT THAT LUCIFER IS THE ONLY ANGEL WHO IS MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE WITH SO MUCH
impact and also ISRAEL IS A REFERENCE TO HIS SPIRIT, THE LOST SHEEP TO MAKE US AWARE THE INSISTENCE OF GOD’S LOVE TO MAKE HIM, AND ACCEPT HIM AS HIS ONLY GOD!
BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST EVER MARRIAGE THAT OCCURRED AND INITIATED GOD’S KINGDOM!
LUCIFER FROM THE OTHER HAND through his rebel, divorced GOD,from his corrupted mentality side,
Adam, ex Lucifer’s spirit, DID THE SAME AND REJECTED GOD’S LOVE PROCESS OF ONENESS, AND GOD SUPPLIED EVE FROM WITHIN AND ACCORDING ADAM’S CORRUPTED MENTALITY, SELF LOVE !
BUT FROM “THE WORD” LOVING SIDE OF GOD, GOD REMAINED, AND REMAINS IN LUCIFER,
US, TILL GOD’S KINGDOM IS ACHIEVED THE FACT THAT JESUS SAID:
Matthew 19:5 For this CAUSE shall a man THE WORD the holy man!!! leave father and mother, GOD and shall cleave to his wife, LUCIFER MATTER TO BE, FLESH, THE CHURCH TO BE, THE BRIDE TO BE, God’s manifestation of: LOVE YOUR ENEMY!and they two shall be in one flesh. GOD OF ALL FLESH, THE WORD MADE FLESH, JESUS CHRIST!
6 Therefore now they are NOT TWO, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together,
IN THE VERY FIRST BEGINNING, THE WORD WITHIN LUCIFER let no man , SATAN the evil man, put asunder.
So Reflect:
THESE TWO ELEMEWNTS, for THE PROCESS of God’s kingdom’s sake:
ONE ORIGINALLY GOD’S SUBSTANCE MALE “THE WORD” the abode of God the Father and
ONE ,THE ONLY, CREATED BY GOD THE FATHER DIRECTLY “THE BEGINNING ITSELF” FEMALE the abode of “THE WORD”
THE FACT THAT
BOTH ARE WISDOM! LIGHT!
AND WERE AIMED TO ESTABLISH GOD’S KINGDOM!!!
ONE TO SUPPLY THE SOULS and
ONE TO SUPPLY THE FLESH, INFERIOR
NOW BOTH OF THEM HAD TO BE ACHIEVED THROUGH
“THE WORD” SINCE ALL BY HIM…….
THE FACT THAT GOD PREDESTINED IT AND ANTICIPATED IT LIKEWISE!
So EVENTUALLY, in the same time all came from Lucifer’s own ex spirits since he became God’s enemy, and in order to return to God the Father, SINCE WHATEVER GOD CREATES, SOMEHOW REMAINS ETERNAL THROUGH THE PROCESS OF “THE WORD” he was transformed into a creation PROCESS of human creatures including earth itself, their substance, to purify themselves throughout its process,
COMMENCED BY MATTER, EARTH ITSELF, BY JESUS’ IMMACULATE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY,AND ITS ENTIRE PROCESS FROM THE CROSS and decide on earth,
BY WHICH THEY ARE BEING PURIFIED, AND WHICH IS THE END OF THE PROCESS,
whether to accept to be part of God’s kingdom or not THROUGH the narrow gate! Which ARE the FIRST FRUITS THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST,
THE AUTHOR OF IT:
“THE WORD” WHO WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD AS A LAMB OF GOD:
REV.13:8
I NEED TO EXPAND ON THIS PURE TRUTH
BUT IN THE NEXT POST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Bd, being born again is being born of water first (water baptism) and being born of the spirit is being infused with the spirit from above, which opens the eyes to scripture, and opens the heart to both God and man (humanity). It is like being born again a second time with water and then being born again of heart (a new man, the past gone).
Were you water baptized?
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