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I agree Kerwin. Some gentiles received the spirit before water baptism, but then they were commanded to be water baptized.
Miia,
The gentiles manifests the gifts of the Spirit and that is different than what I meant. God sends his Spirit to do different things and at times he sends it to grant gifts to men but at other times he sends it as the Councillor. In some cases it performs both those or another duty, we are taught this about God’s Word, in that it does not return to God with its purpose undone. The gift given to the Gentiles served as a sign that the Gentiles were also welcome into the kingdom of heaven. Peter used this in his argument why they should be immersed in water. In Roman 6 and other place we are taught that during immersal the old man is put to death and the new man begins life. The new man is the self that lives according to the teachings of the Spirit.
Scripture states God created the heavens and the earth first.
Kerwin,
First of all, THANKS!
Due to the fact that when we do things for the LOVE of God, God speaks through us through the Holy Spirit, like Jesus said, in order to give light to each other, and that’s what happened with the above verse from scripture YOU POSTED! Unaware of what actually THAT VERSE IS SAYING!
IN RELATION TO MY POST!
SO, WITH EVERY RESPECT:
OUT OF THAT POST,
YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT:I POSTED IN DETAIL WHAT ACTUALLY THAT VERSE SAYS EXACTLY APART FROM OTHER TRUTHS!
SO AGAIN WITH EVERY RESPECT PERMIT ME TO CLARIFY IT FOR YOU, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAPPEN TO READ MY POSTS!
NOW IN MY POST,
Referring to “THE WORD” and to Lucifer respectively, I SAID:THESE TWO ELEMENTS, for THE PROCESS of God’s kingdom’s sake:
ONE ORIGINALLY GOD’S SUBSTANCE MALE “THE WORD” the abode of God the Father and
ONE ,THE ONLY, CREATED BY GOD THE FATHER DIRECTLY “THE BEGINNING ITSELF” FEMALE the abode of “THE WORD”
SO TO CLARIFY:
I CALLED LUCIFER:
THE BEGINNING ITSELF! OK?
Now read scripture:
In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.
In LUCIFER, God created heaven and earth!
Now definitions of the words:
THE BEGINNING IS LUCIFER THE WHOLE CREATION! The fact that he was actually created!
HEAVEN IS “THE WORD” REPRESENTING THE GENERAL SPIRITS!
Since he was emanated out of God, God’s genuine substance, He himself in a complete different more POWERFUL function in order to create!
GOD, ON HIS OWN, NEVER NEEDED THIS KIND OF POWER/ FUNCTION,AND NEVER POSSESSED IT YET,IN A WAY! SO AS HE WAS, HE WAS NOT IN A CONDITION TO CREATE, THE FACT THAT GOD IN WHATEVER HE DOES, HE DOES SO TO ENRICH HIMSELF! HE WAS NOT KNOWN THAT HE EVER EXISTED! APART FROM OTHER DISADVANTAGES!
EARTH IS LUCIFER! REPRESENTING THE GENERAL MATTER! Since he was created! A substance outside of God!
POSSESSING A KIND OF BODY! TANGIBLE, PHYSICAL, the only creature to be seen only by himself in that particular time! IN THE SAME STATE OF GOD!GOD ON HIS OWN COULD ONLY SEE HIMSELF!
LUCIFER ALSO COULD ONLY SEE HIMSELF! A CREATED GOD! The fact that he carried God within himself!
God from the other hand for the first time ever SAW HIMSELF AND ALSO SAW AND WAS WITHIN THE FIRST CREATURE ,
but through “THE WORD” NOT DIRECTLY!
SO HE ENRICHED HIMSELF”
SO THAT VERSE COULD BE READ:
God, hidden in “THE WORD” from within, and by Lucifer created THE HEAVEN all the entire spiritual ELEMENTS, and all the entire material ELEMENTS!
GOD’S KINGDOM TO BE! through “THE WORD”
NOW REFLECT:
ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
BY WHOM? IN WHOM? and FOR WHOM?
Now Kerwin,
PLEASE READ MY POST AGAIN, AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AGAIN, AND COMMENT, SO MORE LIGHT WOULD BE SPREAD AMONG US!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Miia
002:138 Yusufali
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(Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah: And who can baptize better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship.This can be addressed in the other religions section of the site if you choose
You know Miia
You remind me of this wonderful woman who used to post to these forums my Spirit tells me you may be that person either way it’s good to know you are okay and as loving as ever.
You remind me of this wonderful woman who used to post to these forums my Spirit tells me you may be that person either way it’s good to know you are okay and as loving as ever.
🙂 Thanks Bd.
002:138 Yusufali
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(Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah: And who can baptize better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship.This can be addressed in the other religions section of the site if you choose
What is the baptism of Allah?
Kerwin…..yes the Spirit has been given before baptizm, at times, but the still xoes not change the fact that even after they had recieved it the were told to still be baptized right? If it was not nessary why then were they required to be baptized?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Hi,
Water baptism is not a magic ceremony that transforms anyone. Such thoughts led foolish people to baptise infants.
1peter 3
“…an appeal to God for a good conscience..”
Nobody can make such an appeal unless they are aware of sin, repent, and understand what they are doing.
In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.
In LUCIFER, God created heaven and earth!
I understand you have embraced a teaching that is more Gnostic like than others on this site but the words of Genesis 1:1 do not support it. Instead they tell us that the rules for the existence of the abode of the angels and the abode of humanity were the first things God created.
God existed before either heaven or earth as he created both but angels did not exist before their abode created just like humans did not exist before theirs was created.
A being that can be touched is not made of spirit and angels, unlike ghosts, can be touched.
Nick,
Hi,
Water baptism is not a magic ceremony that transforms anyone. Such thoughts led foolish people to baptise infants.
1peter 3
“…an appeal to God for a good conscience..”
Nobody can make such an appeal unless they are aware of sin, repent, and understand what they are doing.
Do you believe in miracles? I ask because your words hint that you do not.
I believe a miracle occurs during immersal as Scripture teaches us 1) the old man is put to death and the new man arises from the water. In another place it teaches us that the new man that arose from the water is “created” like God in true righteousness and holiness. I am convinced “creating” is a miracle even if you want to call it “magic”.
There is a “pledge of a good conscious” (1 Peter 3:21 NET) as well.
Gene,
Kerwin…..yes the Spirit has been given before baptizm, at times, but the still xoes not change the fact that even after they had recieved it the were told to still be baptized right? If it was not nessary why then were they required to be baptized?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
I have heard you and other make this claim but no one has ever put forth one iota of evidence to deny the idea that when the spirit comes it has a purpose and that purpose differs according to the mission God gave it.
You are essentially claiming that God’s Spirit only has one mission. Where in Scripture do you find that claim? It came at creation and hovered above the waters that covered the world and it came to the prophets of old to carry them along so that they would of God. That is two different missions that the Spirit conducted.
When the disciples went to Cornelius’ house God sent his Spirit to as a sign that the Gentiles were as acceptable to God as the 120 disciples were who manifest the gift of tongues on Pentecost. It is after they saw the sign that Peter stated who can deny them water immersal. Paul in his letter to the Romans clearly states it is during immersal that the new man is created. Why would anyone that served God say the new man is not created during immersal?
Hi KW,
Just a sign??
Do you not know that God is rejigging all creation so that all who remain will be united in and led by the one Spirit?
Become as a child and submit your intellect to the Spirit is the path. Be renewed in the Spirit of your mind.
The Spirit of life is not for our entertainment but is essential to eternal life
Hi KW,
Nature is ruled and overruled by God so miracles happen.
We are designed as vessels to hold the Spirit of life.
Hi KW,
We are not made sons of God through rebirth.
But we are given to option of becoming sons[jn 1.12] if we use the investment made in us adding grace to grace in prayer.
We are to become God’s building useful to Him for His purposes.
Flesh contributes nothing.
Nick,
Acts 10:47New English Translation (NET Bible)
47 “No one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
It is a sign that revealed to Peter and his companions that the Gentiles are approved of God.
Hi KW,
The Spirit had been given to the apostles.
Likewise God continued His works by giving the Spirit to those with Cornelius.
The gifts of God are without repentance-this is the design of the kingdom being further spread among men.
Acts 2.39
Nick,
We are not made sons of God through rebirth.
You are disagreeing with Scripture. Either you believe believers are created like God in true righteousness and holiness when they are immersed or you do not. If you do not then you do not believe what Scripture states for it is written:
Romans 6:4English Standard Version (ESV)
4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
What I said is not something reasonable humans find controversial though too often human find it so.
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