Kerwin on the hotseat

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:19)

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2013,00:13) Then you disagree with what Hebrews 11:17 says right? Not at all, Ed. (1)Abraham either DID offer up his son as a BURNT offering, or he DIDN'T. (2)So the only question is:  Was Isaac ever BURNT on the fire? (3)Since the answer is “NO”, then the answer to your question is also “NO”.

Hi Mike,

1) He did
2) Different question and “No”.
3) I accept your answer of “No”, but I disagree with it.

But the reason for this thread is for Kerwin to answer, but I do appreciate you answering.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:22)

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,09:30) Ed, Yes, Abraham did offer(to present for acceptance or rejection:tender) but No, He did not offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice). Ed, I accept this as Kerwin's DIRECT and HONEST answer to your question.

Hi Mike,

I did NOT ask either of those questions that Kerwin made up for himself to answer.

My question is still not answered by him, which is…
Did Abraham “OFFER UP” Isaac –“Yes” or “No”?

I have defined “OFFER” for him, so he can now answer for himself.

Your answer is “No”, got it.
But what is Kerwin's answer?

Still waiting…
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

So far the worst on this site for NOT answering questions is by far Jammin.
I believe Kerwin is now a close second, and Wakeup is probably third.

It is hard to have meaningful dialog with those who refuse to
answer simple questions, so I understand why T8 wants to force
people to answer – I share his frustration. But you know as well as I
that Kerwin still has NOT answered my simple question… I'm still waiting.

Ed

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51)

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present

Ed,

Yes, Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present Ed, Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice.

Hi Kerwin,

Thank you!
My next question is:

Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?         (<– please answer)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,21:10)

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2013,12:14) Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,06:05) Mike, It is a trick question as Abraham did offer(to present for acceptance or rejection:tender) but did not offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice).   God commanded Abraham to offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice) Isaac as a burnt offering. So it appears Ed is shifting the definition of “offer” from “sacrifice” to “tender” without realizing it and in doing so is going off topic. That is my answer to Ed and does not vary from what I have been saying. offer Hi Kerwin, “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son”. (Heb 11:17) Did Abraham “OFFER UP” Isaac – “Yes” or “No”?         (<– please answer) Note: Your only dodge available to you in the Hot-Seat is to say “I don't know”! It is evident that YOU really don't know what you are talking about or are deceptive! Now please answer my question! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, Offer is to vague of a word.  What do you mean?  I do not feel like guessing and I already answered you anyways by quoting the NIV. Here is your direct question. Does offer mean sacrifice in some contexts?

Ed,

You have not yet answered this direct question.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,08:57)

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present Ed, Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice. Hi Kerwin, Thank you! My next question is: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?         (<– please answer) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

I already answered that question. Yes, God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. No, Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac because God stopped him.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,15:30)

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,21:10) Does offer mean sacrifice in some contexts? Ed, You have not yet answered this direct question.

Hi Kerwin,

I say “No”, not in my vocabulary it doesn't; it may in yours though.
If we are taking turns, it is now your turn to answer my question.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,15:33)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present Ed, Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice. Hi Kerwin, Thank you! My next question is: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?         (<– please answer) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I already answered that question.  Yes, God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.  No, Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac because God stopped him.

Hi Kerwin,

Why do you keep answering your own questions?
I did not ask either of those questions, what I asked was:

Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?

Will you now please answer the question I actually did ask this time?
                 Want any definitions for this one?  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,12:01)

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,15:30) Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,21:10) Does offer mean sacrifice in some contexts? Ed, You have not yet answered this direct question. Hi Kerwin, I say “No”, not in my vocabulary it doesn't; it may in yours though. If we are taking turns, it is now your turn to answer my question. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

It is in Merriam-Webster as I have previously shown you. So the situation is that you don't acknowledge using offer to mean sacrifice while I and Mike do.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,12:01)

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present Ed, Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice. Hi Kerwin, Thank you! My next question is: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?         (<– please answer) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I already answered that question.  Yes, God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.  No, Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac because God stopped him. Hi Kerwin, Why do you keep answering your own questions? I did not ask either of those questions, what I asked was: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Will you now please answer the question I actually did ask this time?                  Want any definitions for this one?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

I answer your questions, but not in a format you like. I answer them as I do to reduce misunderstandings.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2013,20:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:19) (1)Abraham either DID offer up his son as a BURNT offering, or he DIDN'T. Hi Mike, 1) He did

Unless Isaac was actually BURNT on a fire, Abraham did NOT offer his son as a BURNT offering.

You are in error.

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

The preeminent meaning of the word translated as “offered” in the first part of Hebrews 11:17 is “to bring to, lead to”.

So yes, Abraham “led” Isaac up the mountain – willing to offer him as a burnt offering. He never ended up offering him as a burnt offering though, because God stopped him.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Sorry I did not specify that I wanted this conversation to be between myself and Kerwin only.
So I will be primarily focusing on that. I don't want Kerwin to think that you can answer for him.         (<– sorry if you feel neglected)

Since this is the Hot-Seat: Kerwin's answer MUST BE one of these –
“Yes” or “No” or “I don't know” – unless T8 has changed the rules.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2013,09:50)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Hi Kerwin, Why do you keep answering your own questions? I did not ask either of those questions, what I asked was: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Will you now please answer the question I actually did ask this time?                  Want any definitions for this one?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I answer your questions, but not in a format you like.  I answer them as I do to reduce misunderstandings.

No, Kerwin,

Answering two different questions is NOT A FORMAT but a dodge. Once again
you are attempting to answer YOUR OWN QUESTIONS, neither of which I asked.

Here is the question that “I” asked:
Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?            (<– now will you please answer my question instead of your own?)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2013,10:14)

Ed, The preeminent meaning of the word translated as “offered” in the first part of Hebrews 11:17 is “to bring to, lead to”. So yes, Abraham “led” Isaac up the mountain – willing to offer him as a burnt offering.  He never ended up offering him as a burnt offering though, because God stopped him.

I'm not asking you to defend your answer of “No“ to my question; Kerwin has answered “Yes“.         (<– see dialog below)
(There is no reason for me to discuss your understanding of the word “OFFER” with you)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,13:41)

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,05:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:22) Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,09:30) Ed, Yes, Abraham did offer(to present for acceptance or rejection:tender) but No, He did not offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice). Ed, I accept this as Kerwin's DIRECT and HONEST answer to your question. Hi Mike, I did NOT ask either of those questions that Kerwin made up for himself to answer. My question is still not answered by him, which is… Did Abraham “OFFER UP” Isaac –“Yes” or “No”? I have defined “OFFER” for him, so he can now answer for himself. Your answer is “No”, got it. But what is Kerwin's answer? Still waiting… Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, What do you mean by the word “offer” in the words “offer unto”? present Ed, Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

You probably don't know what I'm talking about, nor even why.
That is because you believe your understanding is the fixed position.
So let me explain what I'm talking about: my example in this case will be John 1:1.
Though You, T8, *AND* WJ all believe that “The Word” in John 1:1 is supposedly Jesus.

             WJ has “GOD” as more than one person.
             T8 has “GOD” in the quantitative sense.
             And you have “GOD” as another “GOD”.

Therefore discussing why “The Word” is not Jesus in John 1:1 would be a waste of my time
with all of you chiming in with your diverging biases as the fixed position  each one being different.

My conversation with Kerwin is based on my understanding,
*AND* Kerwin's understanding as our focus, NOT YOURS!

I hope I have made myself clear to you now. And remember it was you who discontinued
our conversation of why there is no other “True GOD”. GOD does not send gods either!

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,13:41)

Did Abraham “OFFER UP” Isaac –“Yes” or “No”?

Hi Mike,

Here again was my first question TO KERWIN.
And Kerwin has finally answered it, his answer – “Yes“.
So what your understanding is – is irrelevant to our conversation.

When my conversation with Kerwin is over, I will be glad to
continue discussing it with you (if you so choose to do so that is).

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2013,07:09)

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2013,09:50) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,03:51) Hi Kerwin, Why do you keep answering your own questions? I did not ask either of those questions, what I asked was: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Will you now please answer the question I actually did ask this time?                  Want any definitions for this one?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, I answer your questions, but not in a format you like.  I answer them as I do to reduce misunderstandings. No, Kerwin, Answering two different questions is NOT A FORMAT but a dodge. Once again you are attempting to answer YOUR OWN QUESTIONS, neither of which I asked. Here is the question that “I” asked: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?            (<– now will you please answer my question instead of your own?) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

You choose to call it a dodge. I have been taught it is good communication skills. If you listened then you would know the Lord commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as a burnt offering and Abraham prepared Isaac as a burnt offering but was prevented from obeying God and sacrificing(offering) him by God himself. The answer to your question is in those words as it has been in my previous words. Neither the NIV or KJV disagree with these things so I don't know what you are trying to prove.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,19:09)

Hi Mike, Sorry I did not specify that I wanted this conversation to be between myself and Kerwin only.

No, you didn't Ed. So since you're just now telling me that you don't want me involved, don't you think you could have been a little nicer than you were in the posts that followed this one?

You almost hurt one of my feelings.

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