Kerwin on the hotseat

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2013,09:03)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,19:09) Hi Mike, Sorry I did not specify that I wanted this conversation to be between myself and Kerwin only. No, you didn't Ed.  So since you're just now telling me that you don't want me involved, don't you think you could have been a little nicer than you were in the posts that followed this one? You almost hurt one of my feelings.

Sorry Mike,

That was not my intent.

Your friend
Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 01 2013,04:39)

Ed, You choose to call it a dodge.  I have been taught it is good communication skills.

Hi Kerwin,

Since YOU are in the “Hot-Seat” – you must answer, here is my question again so please answer…
Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?
Good communications skills is to answer another's questions.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

So far you are averaging about “FIVE TIMES”
before you actually answer my very simple questions.
Let's try to see a little improvement in your communications skills OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,14:15)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 01 2013,04:39) Ed, You choose to call it a dodge.  I have been taught it is good communication skills.   Hi Kerwin, Since YOU are in the “Hot-Seat” – you must answer, here is my question again so please answer… Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Good communications skills is to answer another's questions. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

In my eyes you are acting foolish as I have answered you question multiple times and you are boring me by asking me to repeat myself. Get to your point or I will simply stop posting. Even then I am choosing to listen to an argument that has become vain in my eyes.

You already admitted you don't accept a definition of “offer” that disagrees with you. Since I choose to there is no possibility until you prove Merriam-Websters wrong or I choose to embrace the idea it is wrong and agree with you that offer never means sacrifice.

[kerwin]

Ed,

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Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”?

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Abraham prepared Isaac as a burnt offering but was prevented from obeying God and sacrificing(offering) him by God

This is a direct question:

Am I saying yes or no to your question?

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2013,05:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,14:15) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 01 2013,04:39) Ed, You choose to call it a dodge.  I have been taught it is good communication skills.   Hi Kerwin, Since YOU are in the “Hot-Seat” – you must answer, here is my question again so please answer… Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Good communications skills is to answer another's questions. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, In my eyes you are acting foolish as I have answered you question multiple times and you are boring me by asking me to repeat myself.  Get to your point or I will simply stop posting.  Even then I am choosing to listen to an argument that has become vain in my eyes. You already admitted you don't accept a definition of “offer” that disagrees with you.  Since I choose to there is no possibility until you prove Merriam-Websters wrong or I choose to embrace the idea it is wrong and agree with you that offer never means sacrifice.

Hi Kerwin,

I'm not asking you to repeat yourself, I'm asking you to
simply answer my *NEW* question. Now will you please do so?
It's your turn to answer my question – then you can ask me one if you want.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2013,05:06)

Ed, Quote Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Quote Abraham prepared Isaac as a burnt offering but was prevented from obeying God and sacrificing(offering) him by God This is a direct question: Am I saying yes or no to your question?

That's what I'm asking YOU to tell me!  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,02:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2013,09:03) You almost hurt one of my feelings.   Sorry Mike, That was not my intent.   Your friend Ed J

No problem, Eddy.  

And I know you want me to butt out of this thread, but seriously, don't you think “he was PREVENTED from sacrificing Isaac” is pretty darn close to “NO!  He did NOT sacrifice Isaac”?  (Just sayin')  

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Your fine, you can join the conversation.
I just want Kerwin to answer a few simple questions.
I will answer your posts, but please wait for Kerwin's answers OK?

Remember the title of the thread is “Kerwin on the Hot-Seat”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,18:42)

Remember the title of the thread is “Kerwin on the Hot-Seat”.

Point taken.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,03:11)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2013,05:06) Ed, Quote Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? Quote Abraham prepared Isaac as a burnt offering but was prevented from obeying God and sacrificing(offering) him by God This is a direct question: Am I saying yes or no to your question? That's what I'm asking YOU to tell me!

Ed,

So what you are telling me is you want the format of my answer to be in yes/no and not essay even if it means the same thing. That I find suspicious.

[kerwin]

Ed,

I did answer it in a yes or no format though I included a comment with the answer.

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Ed, … No, Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac because God stopped him.

[Ed J]

Question #1 answered:

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,13:51)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,13:41) Hi Mike, My question is still not answered by him, which is… Did Abraham “OFFER UP” Isaac –“Yes” or “No”? I have defined “OFFER” for him, so he can now answer for himself. Your answer is “No”, got it. But what is Kerwin's answer? Still waiting… Ed J   Yes,  Abraham did present Isaac as a sacrifice.

[Ed J]

Question #2 Answered:

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2013,15:33)

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2013,08:57) Hi Kerwin, Thank you! My next question is: Did Abraham “sacrifice” Issac – “Yes” or “No”? God bless Ed J No, Abraham did not sacrifice Isaac because God stopped him.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

I still have a few more questions for you before I will make my presentation.
Is there a question you would like to ask me before I ask my next question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed,

Merriam-Websters

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: to present something as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice

dictionary.com

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16. to present something as an act of worship or devotion; sacrifice.

offer at Merriam-Websters and offer at dictionarycom

Do you except that these definitions of offer as sacrifice are correct?

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2013,04:18)

Ed, Merriam-Websters Quote : to present something as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice dictionary.com Quote 16. to present something as an act of worship or devotion; sacrifice. offer at Merriam-Websters and offer at dictionarycom Do you except that these definitions of offer as sacrifice are correct?

Hi Kerwin,

I see you are now trying to argue over misconceptions. Let me
explain things in an attempt to remove these misconceptions.
Now you're attempting to appeal with a circular logic fallacy:

    a use of reason in which the premises depends on  OR IS EQUIVALENT TO THE CONCLUSION,
   a method of false logic by which “this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this“;”  (Link)

The the word “sacrifice” means “TO KILL”; However the word
“sacrifice” in the context of the definition of the word “offer”
means “TO GIVE UP” as in “TO NO LONGER HAVE”. Your are  (1)reading into this definition
(2)based on your incorrect presupposition (3)which you believe is supporting your erroneous conclusion.

In other words, if I give a Girl a ring as an act of devotion: it is a “sacrifice” on my part  –  but is the ring dead?     …of course NOT!
Now let me put this in words that you can grasp. The word “OFFER” means “TO PRESENT”, not to kill someone and present them dead.

Did Abraham “offer” Isaac 'DEAD' to God?   “Yes” or “No”                (<– question #3)

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2013,04:18)

Ed, Merriam-Websters Quote : to present something as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice dictionary.com Quote 16. to present something as an act of worship or devotion; sacrifice. offer at Merriam-Websters and offer at dictionarycom Do you except that these definitions of offer as sacrifice are correct?

Hi Kerwin,

In case you are having trouble understanding why
your “Logic Fallacy” is failing to support your misconceptions,
I will explain why in more detail and give you a comprehensive example.

Your question is equivalent to me asking you if “God the Father” a person?
        Person: a human being regarded as an individual.   (<a href="https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=person+definition&oq=person+definition&gs_l=hp.12..35i39j0i7i30l9.3723564.3725294.3.3727506.6.6.0.0.0.1.474.1477.0j3j2j0j1.6.0.cpsugrp
qhmsignedin%2Chmss2%3Dfalse…0…1.1.23.hp..1.23.3587.YoDofRzDnw4&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.50165853,d.b2I&fp=a22f26d31d487d98&biw=1067&bih=527″ target=”_blank”>Link)
                “No”, GOD The Father is NOT A PERSON!

Person: 3a: one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians     (Link)
Now what you are doing is equivalent to attempt to use this definition to “PROVE” that “God the Father” is “A PERSON”!

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HA Ha ha ha ha!!!   Now in case you are are still having trouble understanding the difference,
I will answer your question in a dual manor as you have answered my QUESTION #2.  (Link)

No, I don't accept the definition with the meaning you are attributing to “offer” based
       on your misconception of the word “sacrifice” to mean the same thing as “OFFER”.        (<– this is your circular logic fallacy)    
                                                                                                                                                        (see definition in my last post)  
Yes, I accept the definition based on the definition the word “offer” to mean “PRESENT”
        and the definition of “sacrifice” to mean “GIVE UP” as in “TO NO LONGER HAVE”.      (<– these are the true definitions)  

Question #3  is in my last post – now answer my NEW question.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2013,11:18)

Ed, Merriam-Websters Quote : to present something as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice dictionary.com Quote 16. to present something as an act of worship or devotion; sacrifice. offer at Merriam-Websters and offer at dictionarycom Do you except that these definitions of offer as sacrifice are correct?

YES or NO, Ed.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,04:45)

YES or NO, Ed.

Hi Mike,

Isn't it Kerwin's place to ask me questions rather than you?
I didn't see you jumping to my rescue, instead you said:

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2013,09:22)

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2013,09:30) Ed, Yes, Abraham did offer(to present for acceptance or rejection:tender) but No, He did not offer(to present as an act of worship or devotion : sacrifice). Ed, I accept this as Kerwin's DIRECT and HONEST answer to your question.

You mean you do not accept my response as a DIRECT and HONEST answer to Kerwin's question as you have accepted Kerwin's to me?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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