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But why is he Lord? and how is he Lord? is he just a natural being like you or I? or is he just another Moses?
What if I were to say yes I follow Jesus and think he was a good Jewish rabbi who taught what really matters in Judaism and did away with the outward trappings of the Jewish religion which were not needed and actually detrimental to humanity.But his brand of Judaism is now called Christianity.
Hi Andrew,
If you have been baptised in his name into the Body of Christ you have submitted your life to him.
If you have been baptised in the Spirit you can be led by that Spirit and become a son of God.
Full commitment, day by day. He can live his life through you and use you for good.
Hi Andrew,
The Body of Christ is not like any worldly religion.
God invites you to join into a relationship with Him by obeying the command of His Son to be reborn.
AndrewAd,
Lord means ruler. Jesus was made the ruler over everything in heaven and on earth. Some call him King Jesus for that reason. Considering his dominion he has emperors that bow to him and do his bidding.
Andrew,
Jesus is not invisible, he is just no here. He sends God’s Spirit, which is his Spirit, to us and in that way he is with those that believe.
AndrewAD,
The Jews of that era has some strange ways of interpreting and applying text. Mathew for instance quotes a passage from the OT that applies to the nation of Israel and then allies it to Jesus because Jesus and his family were called out of Egypt. I know the book of Hebrews uses the same methods of interpretation but I am not sure about Paul as not all Jews of that time were the same.
But why is he Lord? and how is he Lord? is he just a natural being like you or I? or is he just another Moses?
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
Andrew. God made Jesus Lord. Just as the Pharaoh made Joseph Lord over his kingdom. While Joseph had authority of the Pharaoh over Egypt, he did not have authority over the Pharaoh, at least in the sense of the Old Egyptian Kingdom.
So who made him Lord? It was God. Jesus did not make himself Lord, God did.
Andrew,
Jesus is not invisible, he is just no here. He sends God’s Spirit, which is his Spirit, to us and in that way he is with those that believe.
Correct Kerwin. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God.
AndrewAD……..THERE are two words used in scripture for the word lord , they are destincly different. DAVD said “the LORD (ADONIA) ALMIGHTY GOD, said unto my lord (adoni) a human ruler, sit on my side, intil I MAKE YOUR ENIMIES YOUR FOOT STOOL. THE TWO WORDS ADONIA (LORD) AND ADONI (lord) ARE DIFERENT. JESUS IS RECOND AS A HUMAN RULER, NOT A DEVINE GOD. Moses said that the LORD GOD WOULD RAISE UP FROM ISRAEL A PROPHET LIKE HIM, AND UNTO HIM WE SHOULD HEED. HE COMPARED JESUS LIKE HIMSELF, A HUMAN RULER AN A PROPHET, HE UNDERSTOOD HE WAS NOT A GOD OF ANY KIND, BUT A FELLOW HUMAN BEING, WHO WOULD BE A RULER AND PROPET LIKE HIM WITH GREATER AUTHORITY THEN HE. KING DAVID ALSO SAW JESUS AS A HUMAN RULER USING THE WORD (ADONI) lord, INSTEAD OF (ADONIA) LORD.
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, IS EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDS MEAN, THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING, WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHICH WAS IN HIM. IF THAT SPIRIT IS IN YOU IT CAN DO THE SAME THING, “if the spirit of him which was “in” christ jesus be in us it will also quicken our mortal body”, God was truly “in” him reconciling the world unto HIMSELF, (GOD) THE FATHER, BUT NONE OF THAT EVER MADE JESUS HIMSELF A GOD OF ANY KIND. Jesus clearly said he could do “NOTHING” OF HIMSELF, it was the FATHER which was “IN” HIM DOING THE WORK.
We should honor the son,”TO THE GLORY OF GOD”. To make the son equal to GOD IS IDOLATRY, BECAREFUL OF FALSE CHRSTANITY, “there is ONLY “ONE” TRUE GOD” WORSHIP GOD THE FATHER “ONLY” AND BE RESPECTFULL TO WHO EVER HE PLACES IN AUTHORITY, JESUS IS THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, HE IS ONE OF US, HE IS OUR KINDSMEN REDEEMER.
HE GAVE HIMSELF FOR US ALL AND AS A RESULT GOD THE FATHER HAS GREATLY ELIVATED HIM AND GIVEN HIM ALL AUTHORITY BOTH IN HEAVEN AND EARTH, “THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS, EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, “TO” THE “GLORY OF GOD”. We need to make sure it is to the GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER, THAT WE BOW TO JESUS.BECAREFUL of IDOLATAR’S, LIKE TRINITARIAN, AND ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN OTHER GOD’S , THER IS “ONLY” ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHER ARE NOT TRUE GOD’S THEY ARE FALSE GOD’S.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
But Jesus is not now visible,we no longer know him after the flesh.He is invisible at least to me.He’s not my landlord that I can go and personally visit in the flesh.
I didn’t ask who made him Lord,but why and how is he Lord-that is a master.If God is lord as in master then why do we need another invisible master too? because we needed a mediator? but angels were already mediators too. And what is the point of them anyway?
And if God gave him-this invisible mediator-all authority,then he is in God’s place and should be treated the same as God! Which even the conservative unitarians I was involved with do.They praised him and worshiped him like the angels in the book of Hebrews were supposedly told to do.”let all the angels of God worship him” But if only God should be worshiped as the law and even Jesus said then God has made this lord another god to be worshiped.They won’t call him a god or God but yet treat him as such..But when they call him Lord it’s really the same as an invisible god whether it’s Paul or them or most of the people here on this forum saying it.
Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved-Joel-and he means Jehovah.
Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved-Paul-and he means Jesus.
Hi Andrew. With regards to the first part of your post.
God is love and he doesn’t need anyone to be more perfect or help to run things.
But he delights in others because God is love and love is a shared experience.
So he delegates authority from the son who has authority over all things, down to archangels, angels, world leaders, parents, etc. He has chosen to do this because he is love and wants to share himself and his creation with others.
The spirit that gives us life is his spirit, so God feeds into everyone’s experience. God can even see himself through our eyes. Perhaps all this magnifies his love?
The exception of course is where there is sin as God cannot inhabit the same place as undealt sin. But that is another topic.
Your second point is an interesting one.
Lord YHWH and Lord Jesus.
Lord is not the same word as I understand it.
LORD = YHWH in the Old Testament and Lord is Kurios in the New Testament.
Many think that translating YHWH into LORD was a silly idea as it confuses things. I tend to see their point.
Why not just translate as YHWH?
The Lord Jesus Christ does not translate as YHWH Jesus Christ.
Sometimes I see that some make the argument that Jesus is God because he is Lord. It is sometimes based on this misconception.
I found this on another site regarding the origins on the word “LORD” in the Old Testament.
Jerome, a 4th century “Church Father” who authored the Latin Vulgate version, substituted the name “Yahweh” throughout with the Latin word “Dominus” (meaning “Lord”). The tradition of replacing Yahweh’s name with “the LORD” continues to this day.
The Encyclopedia Britannica states:
Yahweh, the God of the Israelites, his name being revealed to Moses as four Hebrew CONSONANTS (YHWH) CALLED THE TETRAGRAMMATON. AFTER THE EXILE (6TH CENTURY BC), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun elohim, meaning “god,” tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (“My Lord”), which was translated as Kyrios (“Lord”) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.
Hi T8,
To clarify the spirit given to men and animals belongs to God and that of men returns to Him[eccl]
But men do not share in the Holy Spirit of God unless God chooses to do so.
Kerwin…..Look up the words and there MEANING IN HEBREW, IDONIA MEANS GOD, THE ALMIGHTY A DEVINE BEING, THE WORD ADONI MEANS, A HUMAN RULER AND has no devine assoication, ADONI, MEANS any HUMAN KING, JUDGE, MAGISTRATE OF SOME KIND, BUT NEVER A “GOD” or Devine DIETY. THE USE OF THE UPPER CASE LORD AND THE lower case lord, can cause a lot of confusion,because people think they ar related in meaning andthey are not at all.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
Jesus came from God
He is not the Father – but is ONE with the Father
John puts it this way
“..the Word was WITH God – the Word WAS God.”
Jesus is not a separate god to God
but One with God
Those that try and divide the Father from the Son
have neither..
but in the Son alone you have the fullness of God
Gene,
I could not find it. I did find out that Adonis is a Greek god that was stolen from the Phoneticians, aka Canaanites. That is why I asked that you would give your sources.
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