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..so how do you explain when Jesus said, “before Abraham was born, I AM.”…?
Can’t seem to find your old teaching on this – have you taken it down..?
The head of the woman is man, just as God is head of Christ – THEY ARE ONE.
But, if your are not born of the Spirit…how can you understand…?
HI DavidL
You have a big problem here, you said:
Jesus Himself existed as God before Abraham was born… “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” (v 56)
If you say that this means Jesus existed before Abraham and that makes him God, what to say about the fact that Jesus is saying Abraham saw the day of Jesus? It doesn’t say Abraham saw Jesus in a vision long ago it says Abraham rejoiced seeing the day of Jesus so does that mean Abraham is God or immortal in that he rejoiced after the day of Jesus?
DavidL
In that argument with the Jews the context was about Status not about birth order if you read the context you will understand, this is why God says things like:
Jeremiah 31:9
With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.Question DavidL: How can Ephraim be God’s firstborn son when you claim that Jesus is his only son or at least his first born? Why would God say such a thing? Ephraim is the Firstborn of God is that true?
DavidL
The more you look into it you will start to understand look even deeper:
Genesis 22:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)
The Sacrifice of Isaac
22 After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” 3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac. And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
Now you are aware that Isaac was not literally Abraham’s only son, right? Ishmael was born before him, but you see the one who came after Ishmael was preferred before Ishmael before Ishmael, Isaac was. So Ishmael could say before Isaac, I am
The context is about Status, the entire context of God calling anyone son is one of Status not progeny
In that argument with the Jews the context was about Status not about birth order
The issue is – who is Jesus…?!?
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
Abraham saw in the Spirit the coming of the Messiah…BUT HOW DID JESUS KNOW THIS..???
Before Abraham was even born – I AM..!!!
He was with God – He WAS God.!!!
(Scripture confirming Scripture)
Hi davidl,
Are you still at the level of the pharisees who did not recognise the words of the Spirit spoken through the man?
And yet you claim to be reborn of the Spirit.
Something is amiss.
Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations…”
David L,
See in the verse you quoted where it says “The LORD”?
in the Hebrew manuscripts it says יהוה and it’s translated
into English as JEHOVAH – so God did tell Moses his name.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODיד וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל-מֹשֶׁה, אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה; וַיֹּאמֶר, כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, אֶהְיֶה, שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם. 14 And God said unto Moses: ‘I AM THAT I AM’; and He said: ‘Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.’
טו וַיֹּאמֶר עוֹד אֱלֹהִים אֶל-מֹשֶׁה, כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲבֹתֵיכֶם אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב, שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם; זֶה-שְּׁמִי לְעֹלָם, וְזֶה זִכְרִי לְדֹר דֹּר. 16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them: JEHOVAH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, hath appeared unto me, saying: I have surely remembered you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt.Hi ED,
Jehovah is manufactured by adding letters to YHVH.
Yes Nick, I know.
We need vowels to be able to pronounce YHVH (God’s sacred name).
…and the name “Jesus” is a translation of a translation, from Hebrew to
Greek to English. When we use these names we know exactly who we mean.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODDavid L,
The issue is – who is Jesus…?!?
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
Abraham saw in the Spirit the coming of the Messiah…BUT HOW DID JESUS KNOW THIS..???
Before Abraham was even born – I AM..!!!
He was with God – He WAS God.!!!
You are using poor grammar as well as terrible reasoning.
Trinititarins claim the verse means:
“I am born before Jesus was born”
and
“Before Abraham is born; I am God”
Try that nonsense in an English paper and you will be failed as it is obvious nonsense. Use either one or the other and if the translators used punctuation correctly then they favor the first meaning that has the Christ being born and not always existing as they chose to use a comma instead of a semi-colon.
Hi GB,
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.””
Yes Abraham is alive and was awake!
Nick…..WHAT? ABRAHAM SAW JESUS’ DAY BY REVELATION OF GOD TO HIM, HE WAS NOT ALIVE AT THE TIME JESUS WALKED THIS EARTH. LOOK AT THE WORDING (REJOICED) IS A PAST TENS EXPRESSION, NOT A PRESENT TENSE EXPRESSION.
Nick you amaze mebrother ofyour lack of understanding at times.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
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