JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Agreed… except for the omnipotent claim. Jesus has nearly unlimited powers – which are given to him by the only truly omnipotent one.

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

[Berean]

Hi Mike

By saying “omnipotent”, I don’t mean that Christ
stands above the Father, but I mean he has the power to create all things out of nothing,
(John 1; Hebrews 1; Colossians 1; )
And I believe he has always done everything in harmony with THE WILL OF THE FATHER..(.before incarnation and after incarnation)

 

[mikeboll64]

Berean, Jesus has exactly however much power his and our God has given him. None of the scriptures you listed say Jesus created anything. In fact, the only scripture referring to Jesus creating something is the one where he “fashioned” a whip out of cords.

I love him. He is my Lord, my King, my Savior, and my Judge. But he and I are brethren, and joint heirs and servants of his and my God and Father.

[Berean]

Berean, Jesus has exactly the same power as his own and the power our God gave him. None of the scriptures you have listed say that Jesus created anything. In fact, the only scripture that refers to Jesus’ creation is the one where he “fashioned” a whip with ropes.

I love him. He is my Lord, my King, my Savior and my Judge. But he and I are brothers and co-heirs and servants of his and my God and Father.

Mike

You say one thing and then you contradict yourself…

I actually misunderstood you.
I don’t understand…

The bible says in Colossians, and that’s not the only text:

“For by him were created all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, powers. All things were created by him and for him.

1:17 He is before all things, and all things stand by him.”

ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM.

If HE is above all else is that He has pre-existed.

If you love Jesus , you must believe Paul in Colossians 1 and others.

 

 

 

 

[Ed J]

Hi Berean, Context! skip down to Col 1:20 and You can see
it was by Jesus crucifixion that God Created all things by him – not by Jesus helping create (as your imagination tells you)

“And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, …………….. “slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8)
by him to reconcile all things unto himself” …………”God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)

“whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” (Col 1:20) … things in Heaven (through the blood of his cross)

[Ed J]

None of the scriptures you listed say Jesus created anything. In fact, the only scripture
referring to Jesus creating something is the one where he “fashioned” a whip out of cords.

That’s right Mike,

Berean must believe that *Isaiah 44:24* is somehow wrong ???

24 “I the LORD that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (Isaiah 44:24)

Here is God’s response to what Berean is pushing:

25 “That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad;
that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;” (Isaiah 44:25)

[Berean]

Excuse me, Edj.
But you’re talking nonsense.

[Berean]

You’re fake teachers, pretentious kids who misplace the
people.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……AMEN brother, You are exactly right.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

[mikeboll64]

Berean:  “For by him were created all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, powers. All things were created by him and for him.”

Try it this way… “For by THROUGH him were created all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, powers. All things were created by THROUGH him and for him.”

The KJV’s use of the word “by” here is confusing in modern English.  Today, we’d use the word “through” to convey this scriptural teaching.  For example…

Even today, the word “by” also means “through”, but we’re more likely today to just use the word “through”.

Hebrews 1:1-2 KJV

[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In verse 1, we learn that God spoke “by” the prophets.  You wouldn’t take that word “by” to conclude that the prophesies originated with the prophets.  No… you understand that the prophesies originated with God (the actual source) and were relayed to the people THROUGH the prophets, right?

Likewise in verse 2, God was the source of the info, and He conveyed that info to us THROUGH his Son.

Likewise in the latter part of verse 2, God made the worlds, and He did that THROUGH his Son.

1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Again, the KJV wording is confusing to those who speak modern English, but it’s clear enough for you to know that all things came OF/FROM God, and they came BY/THROUGH Jesus.  Not FROM God and Jesus together, and not THROUGH God and Jesus together.  But FROM God and THROUGH Jesus.  Just like your own children are FROM God, but they came into this world THROUGH you and your spouse.  And just as you are not the Creator God due to your children coming into the world THROUGH you… Jesus is not the Creator God due to God creating the world THROUGH him.

Again, I’ll just refer you to Acts 4.  They clearly pray TO the one who actually MADE the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them, right?  And it’s also clear that Jesus is NOT the one they’re praying TO – but the holy servant OF the one they’re praying to.

So no, Jesus isn’t said to have created anything at all.  What’s taught in scripture is that Jesus’ God created everything… and He did that THROUGH His holy servant Jesus.

 

[Berean]

no. You’re not telling the truth You deny the divinity of Jesus like Gene, Edj… Jodi …

Please Read this:

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[mikeboll64]

“Godhead” is a bad translation.   Should be “deity”.  But compare…

Colossians 1:19

For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son. 

If Jesus was already Almighty God from eternity, then your verse and this one above would be senseless.  It would be like saying God chose to place God’s qualities into God.  ???

I don’t deny Jesus’ divinity nor his deity.  He is indeed a god just like Michael, Gabriel, Satan, Molech, Dagon, and many others are gods according to the scriptures.  But there is only one Most High God OF gods – and Jesus isn’t that one.  Jesus is the holy servant OF that one – just like Michael and Gabriel are holy servants OF that one.  Of course Jesus is higher than those others, because his own God, Yahweh, has given more to Jesus than to those others.

[Berean]

But unto the Son he(GOD) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
[10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

jesus christ merely human???

[Berean]

 

“He is indeed a god just like Michael, Gabriel, Satan, Molech, Dagon, and many others are gods according to the scriptures.”

 

YOU DON’T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST

You’re not telling the truth You deny the divinity of Jesus

DIVINITY = TO BE GOD

 JESUS CHRIST  IS NOT THE GOD ALMIGHTY

                               BUT

HE POSSESSES THE SAME DIVINE NATURE OF GOD HIS FATHER

 

 

[mikeboll64]

Berean: “DIVINITY = TO BE GOD”

2 Peter 1:4 King James Version (KJV)
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Surely you don’t think that some of us will BE God when we partake of divine nature, right?

[Berean]

IN HEBREWS 1
THE ALMIGHTY GOD
CALLS HIS SON: O GOD
WHY?
BECAUSE HE RECEIVED/INHERITED FROM THE FATHER HIS OWN DIVINE NATURE ON THE DAY OF ETERNITY.(MICAH 5:2)

“Having been made so much better than the angels, that he inherited a better name than them.”

THIS BETTER NAME THAN THE ANGELS 

IS “GOD”(Hebrews 1:8,9)

[mikeboll64]

The author of Hebrews 1 was quoting a psalm. Who was called “O God” in the original psalm? Also, there are many gods. Being one of them doesn’t equate you to the MOST HIGH God OF gods.

Yes, Jesus is a god. But he is also a humble servant of his and our God, Yahweh.

Why do you deny that Jesus is God’s holy servant, Berean?

[Berean]

Mike
The answer is to contemplate the Lord Jesus Christ, eat his words and receive his Spirit.
which is given to those who obey;

2 Corinthians

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[17] Now the Lord(Jesus Christ) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, ARE CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE  from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BECOME A PARTICIPANT IN THE DIVINE NATURE AND IT’S THE PROGRAM OF A LIFETIME.

 

 

[mikeboll64]

You didn’t answer the question though. Will some of us BECOME God when we partake of divine nature?

Because if your answer is no, then apparently being divine DOESN’T equal being God like you said before, right?

[Berean]

The author of Hebrews 1 was quoting a psalm. Who was called “O God” in the original psalm? Also, there are many gods. Being one of them doesn’t equate you to the MOST HIGH God OF gods.

Yes, Jesus is a god. But he is also a humble servant of his and our God, Yahweh.

Why do you deny that Jesus is God’s holy servant, Berean?

 

Mike

As long as you don’t believe that Jesus is the divine Son of God made FLESH,
the veil will be over your eyes

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