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Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,10:41) Quote (jammin @ June 11 2014,19:37) Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
Blah, blah, blah……….
jesus is equal with God in essencehahaha. good boy mike! now my question is, is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?! hahaha. you answered me all powerful is not part of his nature/essence! hahahaha
the bible said God is all powerful!
you do not understand what you are saying. you do not know the meaning of nature/essence and no bible scholars will agree to you.
Essence: In its theological usage, essence refers to “the intrinsic or indispensable, permanent, and inseparable qualities that characterize or identify the being of God.”do you understand that boy? hahahhaa. you are confused! hahahaha
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,10:37) Quote (jammin @ June 10 2014,20:42) GOd is not HUMAN and one of the natures of God is all powerful.
Hebrews 10
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.Apparently, Jesus ISN'T God, because it is clear that Jesus (even in his exalted heavenly state) STILL isn't Almighty. Instead, he waits for the one who IS Almighty to place his enemies at his feet – so he can then destroy them.
you told me Jesus is equal with God in essence. hahaha
are you changing your mind? hahahahastop sniffing mosquito coil boy. it is not good for your brain! hahahah
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,10:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2014,09:15) Quote (jammin @ June 08 2014,19:16)
ERVheb 1.2
He made the whole world through his Son.
Who is the “HE” in that context, jammin?
Who is the “HE”, jammin? WHO made the whole world through His Son?
the HE is the father but did you see the word “through”?? hahahai accept the fact that God created all things and that is through his son! john 1.3
heb 1.10 speaks about the SON as the creator!
Hebrews 1:10
New International Version (NIV)
10 He also says,“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.you still have 999990 yrs to find a version that says in heb 1.10 that the Lord is the father and not the son
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote The very idea that you would do something like that eliminates any credibility you would have otherwise had. Mike,
THE ONLY WAY TO PROVE WHO IS RIGHT, REGARDING THE FOUR TIMES “my God” in Rev 3:12
WHICH I AM SURE OF, THAT JESUS REFERRED TO HIMSELF, IS THROUGH SCRIPTURES!
THE FACT THAT HE EMPHASIZED IT FOUR TIMES MIKE,IS ALREADY ENOUGH FOR ME TO JUSTIFY MY CONCLUSIONS!
NOW, GIVE ME YOUR JUSTIFIED REASONS
WHY JESUS PROCLAIMED IT FOUR TIMES
SINCE THAT REVELATION IS THROUGHOUT A REFERENCE TO GOD ALMIGHTY IN HIMSELF AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
YES MIKE!
JESUS CHRIST ESTABLISHED HIS OWN FATHERHOOD OF ALL
JESUS CHRIST ESTABLISHED HIS OWN GOD ALMIGHTY AND MANIFESTED IT ON EARTH FOR FORTY DAYS
HIS ALMIGHTINESS IS UNIQUE, AND IT BELONGS TO HIM SINCE HE SHED HIS OWN BLOOD!
ANSWER!
DID GOD ALMIGHTY ENRICH HIMSELF THROUGH JESUS CHRIST PROCESSFROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD?
YES OR NO?
IF YOU DO NOT ANSWER IT IS CONFIRMED:
THAT I AM RIGHT!
READ THIS TO CONCLUDE!
ALL WHAT MY FATHER HAS ARE MINE!
SO THE TITLE OF GOD ALMIGHTY, IS ALSO JESUS'
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:09) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,19:12) Charles, Quote WHEN DID HE CALL HIM MY GOD? 1) I am sure you know that answer which leads me to the conclusion you do not like what the passage and so have sought a way to justify that feeling. The Passages are John 8:54 and John 20:17.
Don't forget that Jesus called Jehovah “my God” four times in Rev 3:12 – AFTER he had already been exalted to the highest position, and given the name above all names.
Charles,Mike has a point. Thank you Mike.
Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Jammin,Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means. He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear. Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian.
You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position. Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not.
You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned.
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote HE is the “my God” he was talking about. Mike,
YES!
CONTRADICT ME WITH ONE VERSE FROM SCRIPTURE!
READ THIS ONE NOW:
Philippians 2:6Who being in the
FORM OF GOD
thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
SINCE HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD!
7But emptied himself, taking the
FORM OF A SERVANT…………..
SO AS MUCH AS HE WAS A SERVANT,HE WAS, AND IS ALSO GOD
SINCE BOTH CASES USE THE TERM FORM OF
OK MIKE?
WHICH ONE WOULD YOU PREFER, THAT HE WAS A SERVANT, AND HE WAS AND IS ALSO GOD. OR
WAS NOT A SERVANT AND WAS NOT, AND IS NOT GOD
BUT IF YOU OPT THE LATTER, BOTH NOT A SERVANT, AND NOT GOD
YOU STILL HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHAT JESUS WAS
11 And that every tongue should confess that the
LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER
SO ALL WHAT THE FATHER OWNS IS ALSO JESUS'
THEREFORE:
ALMIGHTY GOD JESUS CHRIST
HIS OWN
THROUGH HIS OWN BLOOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55) is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?
Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.
Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.
Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,06:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,10:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2014,09:15) Quote (jammin @ June 08 2014,19:16)
ERVheb 1.2
He made the whole world through his Son.
Who is the “HE” in that context, jammin?
Who is the “HE”, jammin? WHO made the whole world through His Son?
the HE is the father but did you see the word “through”??
Of course I saw the word “through”.Remember what your father Tertullian taught you: He who creates is one, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is created is ANOTHER.
So in the scripture YOU quoted, the “HE” is the Father, right? Then THAT is the one who “made the world”, right?
The fact that the Father made the world THROUGH His firstborn Son Jesus doesn't change the fact that it was indeed THE FATHER who made the world.
Just like the fact the Father made Eve THROUGH Adam doesn't change the fact that it was indeed THE FATHER who made Eve.
Oh, and the fact that the Father made Eve THROUGH Adam doesn't make Adam Eve's “creator”, or even “co-creator”.
Likewise, the fact that the Father made the world THROUGH Jesus doesn't make Jesus the world's “creator” or even “co-creator”.
Are you finally ready to fess up to Acts 4 yet? Because since YOUR OWN scriptures are proving MY point, things are only going to get worse for you from here on out.
Quote (carmel @ June 16 2014,12:53) Mike, THE ONLY WAY TO PROVE WHO IS RIGHT, REGARDING THE FOUR TIMES “my God” in Rev 3:12
WHICH I AM SURE OF, THAT JESUS REFERRED TO HIMSELF, IS THROUGH SCRIPTURES!
Righto, Charlie.John 20:17
Jesus said, “Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”Will you now tell me that Jesus was calling HIMSELF “my God” in that verse as well?
Charles, the SCRIPTURES clearly and undeniably teach that Jesus is the Son, Servant, Messiah, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Word OF God……….. and therefore NOT God Himself.
So your idea that Jesus referred to someone he called “my God” four times – just to prove to us that HE was the “my God” he was referring to – is complete and utter NONSENSE.
But just in case you missed it…………
Luke 8:28
When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”Charles, is Jesus “The Most High God”? Or is he the SON OF “The Most High God”? Which one does the SCRIPTURE say?
Quote (carmel @ June 16 2014,14:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,08:40) HE is the “my God” he was talking about. Mike,
YES!
CONTRADICT ME WITH ONE VERSE FROM SCRIPTURE!
How about two scriptures? See previous post.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,06:27) Quote (carmel @ June 16 2014,14:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,08:40) HE is the “my God” he was talking about. Mike,
YES!
CONTRADICT ME WITH ONE VERSE FROM SCRIPTURE!
How about two scriptures? See previous post.
Mike,I already gave him passages as well.
CAESAR WAS VERY POWERFUL IN HIS EMPIRE.
HIS WORD OF COMMMAND IS AS POWERFUL AS
HE HIM SELF. BUT CAESARS WORD, IS IN SUBJECTION TO CAESAR. IT CAN NOT BE AHEAD OF CAESAR.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,10:45) CAESAR WAS VERY POWERFUL IN HIS EMPIRE.
HIS WORD OF COMMMAND IS AS POWERFUL AS
HE HIM SELF. BUT CAESARS WORD, IS IN SUBJECTION TO CAESAR. IT CAN NOT BE AHEAD OF CAESAR.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND.wakeup.
WAKEUPYOU DO NOT MAKE SENS ;you try to stick to what scriptures are not supporting ;
this is only your mind gymnastics ;
if Caesar ad so much power why is it that he was so many times challenged in war,??? because they could not care of what he said .???
all of your efforts are trying to refuse to accept that CHRIST WAS AND IS “THE WORD”OF GOD IN OTHER WORDS THE SPOKESPERSON TO ALL CREATION ,
SO MANY SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT OR SUPPORT THIS ,
THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT NEED ENLIGHTENING BUT YOU DO WAKEUP
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:12) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,06:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2014,10:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2014,09:15) Quote (jammin @ June 08 2014,19:16)
ERVheb 1.2
He made the whole world through his Son.
Who is the “HE” in that context, jammin?
Who is the “HE”, jammin? WHO made the whole world through His Son?
the HE is the father but did you see the word “through”??
Of course I saw the word “through”.Remember what your father Tertullian taught you: He who creates is one, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is created is ANOTHER.
So in the scripture YOU quoted, the “HE” is the Father, right? Then THAT is the one who “made the world”, right?
The fact that the Father made the world THROUGH His firstborn Son Jesus doesn't change the fact that it was indeed THE FATHER who made the world.
Just like the fact the Father made Eve THROUGH Adam doesn't change the fact that it was indeed THE FATHER who made Eve.
Oh, and the fact that the Father made Eve THROUGH Adam doesn't make Adam Eve's “creator”, or even “co-creator”.
Likewise, the fact that the Father made the world THROUGH Jesus doesn't make Jesus the world's “creator” or even “co-creator”.
Are you finally ready to fess up to Acts 4 yet? Because since YOUR OWN scriptures are proving MY point, things are only going to get worse for you from here on out.
the importance of the word “through” is, without him nothing was made that has been made.John 1:3
New International Version (NIV)3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
it is true that God created all things BUT through HIS SON and without him nothing was made that has been made.
do you understand that? it is not the same as your example that God created me through my parents. that is not in the bible hahahaha. where did you get that? hahahah
your father satan teaches you a lot of fantasies hahahaha.
by the way, you still have 999899 yrs to find a version that says that the LORD in heb 1.10 is the father and not the SON who created the heavens and the earth
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:06) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55) is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?
Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.
Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.
and you told me that jesus is equal with God in essence. hahahah.
therefore, if God is the father is all powerful by essence, the son is also all powerful.Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:26) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Jammin,Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means. He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear. Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian.
You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position. Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not.
You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned.
let us make this simple. i do not want things to be complicated.is all powerful part of God's essence/nature?
yes or no?
is MAN all pwoerful by nature/essence? yes or no?
is the president all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
are you all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
i will give you 1m yrs to answer my questions
Jammin,
I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:06) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55) is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?
Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.
Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.
and you told me that jesus is equal with God in essence. hahahah.
therefore, if God is the father is all powerful by essence, the son is also all powerful.
Jammin,If you are correct then clearly he must not be including all powerful in the essence of God he sees Jesus as being equal to God in. It is easy to understand. When you stumble on the easy stuff how can you expect to understand the harder stuff?
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