JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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  • #388829
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ June 13 2014,13:20)
    BOTH GOD AND ADAM CREATED EVE!


    No. Eve had just one Creator – like the rest of us.

    #388830
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ June 13 2014,13:29)

    mikeboll64,June wrote:

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    God alone gave me life, Charles.  He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.

    Mike,

    PERFECT!

    SO NOT GOD ALONE!


    Yes God ALONE, Charles.

    He who creates is ONE, and he through whom the thing is created is ANOTHER. – Tertullian

    The one THROUGH WHOM the thing is created is NOT the God who, ALONE AND BY HIMSELF, created that thing.

    #388898
    carmel
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    terraricca,June wrote:

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    do you still see a tool working without someone handling it

    YOUR WISDOM SHINES ALL OVER THE CONTINENTS!

    IN THE SAME SENSE

    DO YOU SEE A CARPENTER WORKING WITHOUT HANDLING HIS TOOL IN ORDER TO DO HIS WORK!

    ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT WHEN

    BOTH THE CARPENTER AND THE TOOL THAT ARE DOING ONE PARTICULAR JOB, ARE NOT EQUAL

    NO TOOL NO WORK DONE

    THE CARPENTER IS USELESS, AND NON EXISTENT NEVER MIND A CARPENTER, NOT UNLESS HE DEMONSTRATES HIS WORK ONLY BY THE TOOL

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #388904
    carmel
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    mikeboll64,June wrote:

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    There is only ONE Almighty God – and no man has ever seen His face.

    Mike,

    IN SIMPLE ENGLISH IT IS SCRIPTURALLY CLEAR:

    And in these last days he has spoken with us by his Son, whom he ordained

    THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS SO THE TITLE OF ALMIGHTY GOD BELONG ALSO TO JESUS CHRIST AS:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER IS HANDICAPPED REGARDING HIS MANIFESTATION TO HIS CREATURES!

    HE IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO ASSERT, CONFIRM, AND DEMONSTRATE HIS ALMIGHTINESS IN THE TRUTH!

    HE IS UNKNOWN, MYSTERIOUS, UNFATHOMABLE SPIRIT BEING! THAT 'S AS FAR AS HE COULD DO WITHOUT ANY PROOF THAT HE IS DOING IT!

    THE ANTICHRIST WHEN HE COMES HE WOULD:

    MANIFEST HIMSELF WITH GREATER WORK THAN JESUS HIMSELF DID!

    GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO ACT AT ALL UNLESS HE HIMSELF ON EARTH FACE THE ANTICHRIST!

    IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR GOD ALMIGHTY TO DO THIS SINCE HE WOULD DESTROY ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES, FOR THE SAKE OF HIS SUPERIORITY!

    THEREFORE THERE'S ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD VISIBLE AND ALSO HUMAN AND THAT IS

    JESUS CHRIST IN THE POWER OF THE FATHER FROM WITHIN!

    AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST THE ONE WHO WOULD BE SENT ON THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT TO ERADICATE SATAN ONCE AND FOR ALL!

    AND THAT WOULD BE THE TIME WHEN GOD ALMIGHTY PRINCIPLE WISE WOULD BE IN THE POSITION TO OWN

    JESUS CHRIST BODY AS HIS GENUINE BODY!

    THAT WOULD BE A TIME!

    THRILLIONS UPON THRILLIONS OF YEARS TO COME BUT FOR GOD IN JESUS CHRIST AS HE IS,

    IS LIKE A MERE SECOND!

    KEEP ON READING! AND TWIST TO ENJOY!

    and by him he made the universe.

    3For he is The Brilliance of his OWN GOD'S glory,

    The Image of his OWN GOD'S Being,

    and upholds all* things by the power of his OWN GOD'S word;

    and he in his OWN GOD'S Essential Being has accomplished the purification of our sins, and

    HE

    JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF AS HIS RIGHT, PROVEN, AND DECLARED:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

    sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    ONLY VISIBLE TO HIM!

    THEREFORE ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY ON THE THRONE IS IN THE TRUTH DECLARED  IN FRONT OF ALL CREATURES!

    AND AS SOON AS HE IS ACCEPTED BY ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES THE FATHER WOULD BE

    ALL IN ALL

    BUT

    IN JESUS CHRIST

    BY JESUS CHRIST

    FOR JESUS CHRIST

    AND THE FATHER IS ,AND WOULD BE WELL PLEASED IN HIM!

    NOW ANSWER MIKE!

    WHO WOULD BE VISIBLE IN THE TRUTH ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY OF THE

    LORD

    SINCE THERE'S ONLY ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #388905
    carmel
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    mikeboll64,June wrote:

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    He who creates is ONE, and he through whom the thing is created is ANOTHER. – Tertullian

    Mike,

    GOD WHO CREATES IS ONE

    AND THE WORD THROUGH WHOM LUCIFER IS CREATED IS ANOTHER!   TERTULLIAN

    THEREFORE GOD WAS NOT ALONE WHEN THE VERY FIRST CREATURE WAS CREATED!

    BUT SINCE THE WORD WAS ALSO GOD!

    GOD WAS ALONE

    GOD OUT OF GOD

    LIGHT OUT OF LIGHT

    TRUE GOD OUT OF TRUE GOD

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #388935
    kerwin
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    Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37)
    it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
    the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.

    Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.

    so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?

    if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not


    Jammin,

    When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.

    If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.

    So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.

    You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.

    Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.

    It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.

    #388936
    kerwin
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    Quote (carmel @ June 12 2014,12:18)

    kerwin,June wrote:

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     Jesus is not all powerful for God is more powerful than him as he is the one that appointed Jesus King of all things in heaven and on earth.              

    Kerwin,

    with every respect THE ABOVE ARE LIES!

    YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

    THERE'S NO SPIRIT MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS CHRIST THE FIRST AND FOREMOST OF ALL THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS IS:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!

    IF NOT SO,

    GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD HAVE FAILED,IN BECOMING

    GOD OF ALL FLESHIN THE TRUTH! MANIFESTED THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSES!

    THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A NAME WHICH WAS PRONOUNCED ON EARTH AND MANIFESTED GREATER WORK THROUGH IT, THAN JESUS CHRIST MANIFESTED WITH HIS,

    COMMENCED BY HIMSELF AND MAINTAINED IT

    FOR FORTY DAYS ,AFTER HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT

    WHEN GOD ON EARTH WAS VISIBLE IN ONE INSTANT 500 TIMES IN DIFFERENT PLACES!

    NOW READ:

    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:

    ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO MEin heaven and in earth.

    NOW  KERWIN, WHAT DOES THE ABOVE LACK TO CONVINCE YOU THAT JESUS CHRIST OWNS ALL,

    I REPEAT: ALL POWER!

    DO YOU THINK THAT HE STILL NEED MORE THAN ALL!

    IF SO,

    WHAT IS MORE THAN ALL

    SCRIPTURES PLEASE I DON’T WANT YOUR OPINION

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Charles,

    1) We know God is more powerful than Jesus because Jesus called him my God.
    2) We know that Jesus considered him equal to believers because he calls those that believe brothers. God has never done that.
    3) We know God is more powerful that Jesus because God is the one that appointed Jesus Lord over all things in heaven and in earth.

    That in itself is more than enough to convince anyone with an open heart. Convincing a human is often more difficult but all things are possible with God.

    #388943
    carmel
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    kerwin,June wrote:

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    1) We know God is more powerful than Jesus because Jesus called him my God.

    I WANT SCRIPTURES PLEASE!

    ANSWER:

    WHEN DID HE CALL HIM MY GOD?

    2) We know that Jesus considered him equal to believers because he calls those that believe brothers.  God has never done that.

    WHEN DID JESUS CALL BELIEVERS BROTHERS?

    3) We know God is more powerful that Jesus because God is the one that appointed Jesus Lord over all things in heaven and in earth.

    WHY, AND WHEN DID HE APPOINT HIM HEIR OVER ALL THINGS!

    INCLUDING THE TITLE OF THE ONLY VISIBLE GOD ALMIGHTY!

    SINCE HE HIMSELF COULD IN NO WAY ACHIEVES MANIFESTATION UNLESS DESTROYS ALL CREATURES!

    NOW DO NOT JUST SAY JESUS!

    BUT JESUS CHRIST!

    CHRIST STANDS FOR WHAT JESUS BECAME AFTER HE FULFILLED ALL GOD'S WORK ON EARTH, AND THROUGH IT HE BECAME:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    LAST QUESTION!


    DID ALMIGHTY GOD ENRICHED HIMSELF OR NOT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST PROCESS?

    WHICH IS THE WORD WHICH LEFT THE FATHER'S MOUTH!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    Kerwin,

    #388968
    kerwin
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    Charles,

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    WHEN DID HE CALL HIM MY GOD?

    1) I am sure you know that answer which leads me to the conclusion you do not like what the passage and so have sought a way to justify that feeling. The Passages are John 8:54 and John 20:17.

    #388975
    kerwin
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    Charles,

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    WHEN DID JESUS CALL BELIEVERS BROTHERS?

    Once again I believe you know the passages that apply but I will give them to you anyways. John 20:17 and Hebrews 2:11.

    #388976
    kerwin
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    Charles,

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    WHY, AND WHEN DID HE APPOINT HIM HEIR OVER ALL THINGS!

    Because he has mercy on who he has mercy and compassion on who he has compassion.

    Philippians 2:8-11

    New International Version (NIV)

    8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!

    9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

    and

    Matthew 28:18
    New International Version (NIV)

    18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

    #388994
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ June 14 2014,00:42)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2014,11:49)
    There is only ONE Almighty God – and no man has ever seen His face.


    Mike,

    IN SIMPLE ENGLISH IT IS SCRIPTURALLY CLEAR:

    And in these last days he has spoken with us by his Son, whom he ordained

    THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS SO THE TITLE OF ALMIGHTY GOD BELONG ALSO TO JESUS CHRIST………


    You take the fact that God Almighty spoke to us THROUGH His Son, and twist it into meaning the Son IS the Almighty God who spoke THROUGH him.

    That kind of reasoning is neither scriptural, nor logical.

    #388995
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ June 14 2014,00:42)
    JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF AS HIS RIGHT, PROVEN, AND DECLARED:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

    sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.


    If Jesus is “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” – then whose right hand does Jesus sit at? Who is the one you called “The Majesty On High”?

    When Solomon was king, he had a throne brought in and set at the right hand of his own throne. Solomon's mother was given the honor of sitting at the right hand of the King of Israel. (1 Kings 2:19)

    Would you assume that Solomon's mother actually WAS Solomon himself – just because she was exalted to sit at Solomon's right hand?

    If not, then why would your mind lead you to such a crazy conclusion in the case of God, and the servant who sits at His right hand? ???

    #388996
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:35)
    Jammin,

    When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another.  Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.

    You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that.  In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.


    Well said, Kerwin.

    I wonder: Will jammin directly address that point? Or will he just attempt to run circles AROUND it – like usual?

    #388997
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,19:12)
    Charles,

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    WHEN DID HE CALL HIM MY GOD?

    1) I am sure you know that answer which leads me to the conclusion you do not like what the passage and so have sought a way to justify that feeling.  The Passages are John 8:54 and John 20:17.


    Don't forget that Jesus called Jehovah “my God” four times in Rev 3:12 – AFTER he had already been exalted to the highest position, and given the name above all names.

    #389016
    terraricca
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    Quote (carmel @ June 14 2014,11:58)

    terraricca,June wrote:

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    do you still see a tool working without someone handling it

    YOUR WISDOM SHINES ALL OVER THE CONTINENTS!

    IN THE SAME SENSE

    DO YOU SEE A CARPENTER WORKING WITHOUT HANDLING HIS TOOL IN ORDER TO DO HIS WORK!

    ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT WHEN

    BOTH THE CARPENTER AND THE TOOL THAT ARE DOING ONE PARTICULAR JOB, ARE NOT EQUAL

    NO TOOL NO WORK DONE

    THE CARPENTER IS USELESS, AND NON EXISTENT NEVER MIND A CARPENTER, NOT UNLESS HE DEMONSTRATES HIS WORK ONLY BY THE TOOL

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    CHARLES

    He who creates is ONE, and he through whom the thing is created is ANOTHER. –

    GOT IT ???

    #389018
    carmel
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    mikeboll64,June wrote:

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    Don't forget that Jesus called Jehovah “my God” four times in Rev 3:12 –

    Mike,

    AS FAR AS I KNOW, I ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, AND I SAID THAT THOSE PARTICULAR FOUR MY GOD SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST WAS A REFERENCE TO HIMSELF.

    HE SIMPLY MADE IT CLEAR THAT

    HE ESTABLISHED HIS OWN KIND OF GOD OF BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT THROUGH HIS DEATH

    HE ESTABLISHED ALSO HIS OWN KIND OF FATHERHOOD OF BOTH SONS AND DAUGHTERS THROUGH HIS DEATH!

    ALMIGHTY GOD IS NOT MENTIONED AS SUCH SINCE HE ONLY BEGOTTEN HIS ONLY SON!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #389019
    carmel
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    mikeboll64,June wrote:

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    sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
    If Jesus is “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” – then whose right hand does Jesus sit at?  Who is the one you called “The Majesty On High”?

    Mike,

    HOW ON EARTH AN INVISIBLE BEING COULD PROVE THAT HE EXIST AS A UNIQUE ALMIGHTY BEING, WHEN THERE IS ALSO A PROOF THAT OTHER INVISIBLE GODS EXIST

    THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY THROUGH GOD FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT ONLY  HE MANIFESTED HIS OWN KIND OF GOD'S WORK ON EARTH AS A HUMAN VISIBLE BEING, WHILE ALMIGHTY GOD COULD NEVER DO AND WILL NEVER DO UNLESS IN JESUS CHRIST ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD

    AND THERE'S ONLY ONE LORD:

    JESUS CHRIST!

    ALSO:

    THE FACT THAT JESUS IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MOST HIGH, IS ONLY TO PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD'S ALMIGHTY'S GENUINE PROOF OF HIS EXISTENCE OTHERWISE HE WOULD AND COULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED  AT ALL ALMIGHTY BY HIS CONTENDERS,

    THE FACT THAT HE SENT HIS SON,

    AND

    THE FACT THAT JESUS IS EXALTED BY THE FATHER IN THE HIGHEST STATE!

    ANSWER THIS MIKE!

    WHICH I DOUBT!

    DID GOD ALMIGHTY ENRICH HIMSELF WITH JESUS CHRIST PROCESS!

    YES OR NO?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #389022
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,03:09)
    Don't forget that Jesus called Jehovah “my God” four times in Rev 3:12 –

    Mike,

    AS FAR AS I KNOW, I ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, AND I SAID THAT THOSE PARTICULAR FOUR MY GOD SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST WAS A REFERENCE TO HIMSELF.

    HE SIMPLY MADE IT CLEAR THAT

    HE ESTABLISHED HIS OWN KIND OF GOD OF BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT THROUGH HIS DEATH


    Once again, that is pure, unscriptural nonsense, Charles.

    You can't seriously take the fact that a person refers to HIS OWN GOD four times – and twist that into a declaration that HE is the “my God” he was talking about.

    The very idea that you would do something like that eliminates any credibility you would have otherwise had.

    #389023
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (carmel @ June 15 2014,15:04)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,03:00)
    If Jesus is “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” – then whose right hand does Jesus sit at?  Who is the one you called “The Majesty On High”?


    Mike,

    THE FACT THAT JESUS IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MOST HIGH, IS ONLY TO PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD'S ALMIGHTY'S GENUINE PROOF OF HIS EXISTENCE…………


    So Jesus sits at the right hand of God to prove that Jesus IS God? ???

    Come on, man.

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