JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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June 10, 2014 at 5:06 pm#388233

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature

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Jammin.

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do you understand the meaning of essence/nature?

You don not seem to understand the meaning of essence/nature.

I have the essence of the president does not mean I am as powerful as the president.

With no context the statement is vague.

essence or nature means

1.the basic or inherent features of something, especially when
seen as characteristic of it.

2.the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

the president is just like you. you are both HUMAN. he is not immortal and all powerful. you do have LIMITATIONS.
do you understand? you are not God

Jammin,

So according to you the essential nature of the president is that he is a human being. That is not even a requirement in many cases though it is assumed that the president will be a human being. If an angel wanted to be president he could.

The bottom line is the whether human or angel the essential nature of the president is more powerful than my essential nature.

You have already got what you have been convinced essential nature is speaking of in your head before you even read Philippians 2.

Those with the essential nature of sheep and those with the essential nature of goats will stand before God on judgement day. If you fail to comprehend what that means see the parable of the sheep and the goats.

the dictionary said
the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

now my question is, is the president ALL POWERFUL?yes or no?
are YOU ALL POWERFUL? yes or no?

is the president immortaL?ARE YOU IMMORTAL?

Jammin,

You are spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. Here is one definition you gave me.

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the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

Notice the words ” or essential character”?

do you know how to use the dictionary?
do you understand the different meanings of the word NATURE?

is the president all powerful? are you all powerful?
is the president immortal? are you immortal?

if both answers are no, then you are EQUAL in essence. believe it or not.

Jammin,

So you did not see the words “or essential character” but choose to evade them.

Is the essential character” of God that he is “all powerful” or that he does not sin?

You seem to be saying it is that he is all powerful. In that case the essential character of the president is he has more power than me.

I on the other hand say that since the goal of a true christian is to be righteous as God is righteous then such the essential character is that God does not sin.

Note: I used character to mean characteristic in order to bring in God's all powerful characteristic. It only covers moral or mental qualities.

June 10, 2014 at 5:09 pm#388234

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Are you saying ” knowledge in truth with the wisdom of God” is in the word of God?

Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

JN 17:17 “ Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

this will make up both

Am I correct that you are saying yes?

June 10, 2014 at 6:01 pm#388254

terraricca

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Are you saying ” knowledge in truth with the wisdom of God” is in the word of God?

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

JN 17:17 “ Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

this will make up both

Am I correct that you are saying yes?

yes

June 10, 2014 at 6:16 pm#388256

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature

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Are you saying ” knowledge in truth with the wisdom of God” is in the word of God?

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

JN 17:17 “ Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

this will make up both

Am I correct that you are saying yes?

yes

So when Jesus states he is the light of the world he means he has the characteristics of “knowledge in truth with the wisdom of God” for the world?

June 11, 2014 at 2:42 am#388331

jammin

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Jammin.

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do you understand the meaning of essence/nature?

You don not seem to understand the meaning of essence/nature.

I have the essence of the president does not mean I am as powerful as the president.

With no context the statement is vague.

essence or nature means

1.the basic or inherent features of something, especially when
seen as characteristic of it.

2.the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

the president is just like you. you are both HUMAN. he is not immortal and all powerful. you do have LIMITATIONS.
do you understand? you are not God

Jammin,

The bottom line is the whether human or angel the essential nature of the president is more powerful than my essential nature.

You have already got what you have been convinced essential nature is speaking of in your head before you even read Philippians 2.

the dictionary said
the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

now my question is, is the president ALL POWERFUL?yes or no?
are YOU ALL POWERFUL? yes or no?

is the president immortaL?ARE YOU IMMORTAL?

Jammin,

You are spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. Here is one definition you gave me.

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the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

Notice the words ” or essential character”?

do you know how to use the dictionary?
do you understand the different meanings of the word NATURE?

is the president all powerful? are you all powerful?
is the president immortal? are you immortal?

if both answers are no, then you are EQUAL in essence. believe it or not.

Jammin,

So you did not see the words “or essential character” but choose to evade them.

Is the essential character” of God that he is “all powerful” or that he does not sin?

You seem to be saying it is that he is all powerful. In that case the essential character of the president is he has more power than me.

I on the other hand say that since the goal of a true christian is to be righteous as God is righteous then such the essential character is that God does not sin.

Note: I used character to mean characteristic in order to bring in God's all powerful characteristic. It only covers moral or mental qualities.

is the president all powerful? yes or no?
GOd is not HUMAN and one of the natures of God is all powerful.

i am still for your answer boy

June 11, 2014 at 6:37 am#388344

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Jammin,

Your question about whether or not the president is all powerful is irrelevant and therefore a red herring. Jesus is not all powerful for God is more powerful than him as he is the one that appointed Jesus King of all things in heaven and on earth.

June 12, 2014 at 1:37 am#388500

jammin

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it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.

Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.

so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?

if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not

June 12, 2014 at 6:18 am#388569

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kerwin,June wrote:

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Jesus is not all powerful for God is more powerful than him as he is the one that appointed Jesus King of all things in heaven and on earth.

Kerwin,

with every respect THE ABOVE ARE LIES!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

THERE'S NO SPIRIT MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS CHRIST THE FIRST AND FOREMOST OF ALL THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE!

THE FACT THAT JESUS IS:

THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!

IF NOT SO,

GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD HAVE FAILED,IN BECOMING

GOD OF ALL FLESHIN THE TRUTH! MANIFESTED THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSES!

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A NAME WHICH WAS PRONOUNCED ON EARTH AND MANIFESTED GREATER WORK THROUGH IT, THAN JESUS CHRIST MANIFESTED WITH HIS,

COMMENCED BY HIMSELF AND MAINTAINED IT

FOR FORTY DAYS ,AFTER HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT

WHEN GOD ON EARTH WAS VISIBLE IN ONE INSTANT 500 TIMES IN DIFFERENT PLACES!

NOW READ:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:

ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO MEin heaven and in earth.

NOW KERWIN, WHAT DOES THE ABOVE LACK TO CONVINCE YOU THAT JESUS CHRIST OWNS ALL,

I REPEAT: ALL POWER!

DO YOU THINK THAT HE STILL NEED MORE THAN ALL!

IF SO,

WHAT IS MORE THAN ALL

SCRIPTURES PLEASE I DON’T WANT YOUR OPINION

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 12, 2014 at 7:01 pm#388659

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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He who creates is one, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is created is ANOTHER.

So I agree with ALL the scriptures that say GOD created all things, and that He did it THROUGH His firstborn Son Jesus Christ.

But God creating something THROUGH another person doesn't make that other person the God who created the thing.

Mike,

THE FACT THAT THE FATHER CREATED ALL THROUGH HIS SON, IS

A CONFIRMATION THAT NOT GOD ALONE CREATED ALL

BUT SINCE THE FATHER IS GOD, AND THE SON IS ALSO GOD,

FIRST AS THE WORD AND THEN AS

THE WORD MADE FLESH,

IT IS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THAT GOD ALONE CREATED ALL

Peace ans love in Jesus

Charles

June 12, 2014 at 11:26 pm#388708

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ERVheb 1.2
He made the whole world through his Son.

Who is the “HE” in that context, jammin?

Who is the “HE”, jammin? WHO made the whole world through His Son?

June 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm#388709

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GOd is not HUMAN and one of the natures of God is all powerful.

Hebrews 10
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.

Apparently, Jesus ISN'T God, because it is clear that Jesus (even in his exalted heavenly state) STILL isn't Almighty. Instead, he waits for the one who IS Almighty to place his enemies at his feet – so he can then destroy them.

June 12, 2014 at 11:41 pm#388710

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Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.

Blah, blah, blah……….

This stuff gets mundane after a few years.

Jesus is either:

1. God Almighty.

2. The Son, Servant, Lamb, Messiah, Word, Prophet, and Priest OF God Almighty.

He can't be both #1 AND #2. It is one or the other.

The scriptures teach #2. Trinitarians teach #1. So who's right?

June 13, 2014 at 6:11 pm#388810

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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Jesus STILL isn't Almighty. Instead, he waits for the one who IS Almighty to place his enemies at his feet – so he can then destroy them.

Mike,

YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT YOU MEAN WITH EVERY RESPECT TO YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM

JESUS AS I ALREADY STATED IN MY POST TO KERWIN,

IS:

THE ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD VISIBLE PLUS

THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER IS SPIRIT AS HE ALWAYS WAS!

THE FACT THAT JESUS EQUALLY WITH THE FATHER IS SHARING GOD'S THRONE!

THE REASON THAT THE FATHER, AS YOU SAID IS SERVING JESUS TO PUT JESUS’ ENEMIES AS HIS FOOTSTOOL!

FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT

JESUS RIGHT NOW ALL OVER THE UNIVERSES IS MANIFESTING THE GLORIFICATION OF

THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY VISIBLE GOD ALMIGHTY!

THE ONLY CARNAL FATHER OF ALL IN THE TRUTH!

NOW READ:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:

ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME in heaven and in earth.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 13, 2014 at 6:21 pm#388811

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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It is not the fact that God is spirit that distinguishes Him from His creations.

That would be like saying God can't have a soul, because His creations have a soul.

Mike,

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TERM WE ONLY USE IN ORDER TO REFER TO GOD'S SPIRIT AND ALSO TO ALL WHAT IS RELATED TO HIM?

ANSWER MIKE!

SO ALL THOSE ON HEAVEN NET WOULD BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH GOD'S SPIRIT FROM HIS CREATURES' SPIRIT!

ARE YOU IN A DILEMMA MIKE?

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm#388812

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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No sir. Jesus referred to the command that it was not wise for him to put HIS GOD Jehovah to the test,

Mike,

NO SIR.

SATAN KNEW WELL THAT HE CANNOT PUT GOD ALMIGHTY TO TEST!

WHAT SATAN DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT IN FRONT OF HIM HE HAD GOD ALMIGHTY AS A HUMAN BEING IN JESUS CHRIST, UNDER THE TITLE OF:

THE LORD GOD

NOT GOD JEHOVAH!

SATAN ALWAYS KNEW WELL WHO ALMIGHTY GOD WAS:

THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN A BATTLE WITH HIM!

READ:

Job 1:9 And Satan answering, said:

Doth Job fear God in vain ?

10Hast not thou made a fence for him, and his house, and all his substance round about, blessed the works of his hands, and his possession hath increased on the earth ?

11But stretch forth thy hand a little, and touch all that he hath, and see if he blesseth thee not to thy face.

12Then the Lord said to Satan:

Behold, all that he hath is in thy hand: only put not forth thy hand upon his person.

And Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

NOW HOW ON EARTH COULD SATAN TEMPT GOD ALMIGHTY, WHEN IN ORDER TO TEMPT JUST A HUMAN BEING, HAD TO HAVE PERMISSION

FROM GOD TO ALLOW HIM TO DO SO

IS THIS YOUR COMMON SENSE! MIKE?

IS THIS YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM?

MIKE JESUS REFERRED TO HIMSELF WHEN HE SAID:

……..Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

HE WAS TEMPTING JESUS NO ONE ELSE

ALSO I REPEAT

WHATEVER WAS WRITTEN WAS WRITTEN AS A REFERENCE TO JESUS AS THE LORD GOD

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 13, 2014 at 7:20 pm#388813

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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Consider that God created Eve through Adam. That doesn't mean Adam and God BOTH created Eve.

Mike,

NEVERTHELESS:

BOTH GOD AND ADAM CREATED EVE!

NO ADAM NO EVE!

IN THE SAME SENSE THAT

GOD CREATED ALL THROUGH HIS SON!

SO GOD DIDN'T CREATE ALL ALONE!

BUT SINCE HIS SON IS ALSO GOD, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT GOD ALONE CREATED ALL

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 13, 2014 at 7:29 pm#388814

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God alone gave me life, Charles. He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.

Mike,

PERFECT!

SO NOT GOD ALONE!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

June 13, 2014 at 9:24 pm#388815

terraricca

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mikeboll64,June wrote:

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God alone gave me life, Charles. He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.

Mike,

PERFECT!

SO NOT GOD ALONE!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

charles

you got things mix up

you think link a dummy carpenter that believes that it is the tools that makes the chair not the man as a carpenter ,

do you still see a tool working without someone handling it

June 14, 2014 at 12:49 am#388828