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Quote (carmel @ June 01 2014,14:26) Mike, WHO GAVE YOU LIFE!
GOD ONLY?
YOUR MOTHER ONLY?
OR
BOTH GOD AND YOUR MOTHER?
God alone gave me life, Charles. He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.But God is the only one who actually created me. The vessels He created me THROUGH are not the God who created me. Nor are they equal to the God who created me.
The same goes for Jesus. The one THROUGH WHOM God created all things is not the God who did the creating. Nor is he even equal to that God.
Hi ALL,
Don't argue with MB.
He says
“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”
There it is
SortedQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:49) Hi ALL,
Don't argue with MB.
He says
“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”
There it is
Sorted
Mikeyou must have touched one important nerve of nick ,the truth hurt him badly
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote You break logic and scriptures – throwing both out the window – just to make sure your final conclusion is “Jesus is God”. It makes no sense. Mike,
YOU SIMPLY RIDICULE SCRIPTURE EVEN IF IT IS
BLACK ON WHITE
I PRODUCED SCRIPTURE YOU PRODUCED HUMAN CORRUPTED MENTALITY
WHILE JESUS WAS BEING TEMPTED SAID:
YOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD
WITH THOSE WORDS IT IS WRITTEN IN BLACK ON WHITE THAT
JESUS IS LORD GOD OVER SATAN!
AND HE PROVED IT ON THE CROSS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,03:17) [/quote] mikeboll64,June wrote:Quote God alone gave me life, Charles. He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.
Mike,
YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF
COULD HE HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOUR PARENTS AND IN THE SAME TIME RESPECTED WORLD PROCEDURES!
MIKE,
UNLESS YOUR PARENTS WERE CO CREATORS WITH GOD
NOTHING COULD HAVE HAPPENED SINCE GOD DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!
ONLY HE HIMSELF CAME INTO THE WORLD AS JESUS CHRIST'S HUMAN STATE, WITHOUT PARENTS
I KNOW YES WITHOUT EVEN HIS,
WHAT WE CALL MOTHER WHICH IN FACT HE NEVER MADE USE OF HER IN ANY WAY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THIS WORLD!
SHE WASN'T A WOMAN! AS MUCH AS JESUS WASN'T A MAN! WITH RESPECT TO THIS SATANIC WORLD!
IF BOTH MARY AND JESUS WERE WOMAN AND MAN ACCORDING TO OUR WORLD, HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE REDEEMER!
JESUS CONFIRMED AND SAID:
John 14:30 …………For the prince of this world cometh, and IN ME ,HE HATH NOTHING.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
SO SINCE THE WORLD BELONGED TO SATAN, JESUS AS THE REDEEMER, AND ALSO TO BE A RANSOM MUST NOT POSSESS IN ANY WAY,THE LEAST OF THE LEAST OF SATAN’S WORLD!
THEREFORE NO SEX ORGANS RELATED TO REPRODUCTION SINCE THOSE WERE HIS FACTORS!
AND HOW!
GOD BEGUILED SATANA!
KEEP ON MANIFESTING YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM !
SO I KEEP ON MANIFESTING GODLY WISDOM WHICH WAS NEVER HEARD BEFORE!
THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them to the little ones.
NO ONE IS ABLE TO CONTRADICT THE ABOVE MORE THAN I COULD PROVE IT!
THROUGH SCRIPTURE
THE ABOVE ONE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH!
GOD MADE USE OF MARY IN ORDER TO ENTER OUR WORLD, AS JESUS CHRIST AND REMAINED DIVINE,
AS MUCH AS A RAY FROM THE SUN MAKE USE OF A GLASS PANE, PASS THROUGH IT AND REMAIN THE SAME RAY OF THE SUN!
THAT'S GOD ALMIGHTY IN THE TRUTH IS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 02 2014,12:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,03:12) Quote You break logic and scriptures – throwing both out the window – just to make sure your final conclusion is “Jesus is God”. It makes no sense. Mike,
YOU SIMPLY RIDICULE SCRIPTURE EVEN IF IT IS
BLACK ON WHITE
I PRODUCED SCRIPTURE YOU PRODUCED HUMAN CORRUPTED MENTALITY
WHILE JESUS WAS BEING TEMPTED SAID:
YOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD
WITH THOSE WORDS IT IS WRITTEN IN BLACK ON WHITE THAT
JESUS IS LORD GOD OVER SATAN!
AND HE PROVED IT ON THE CROSS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
CharlesQuote YOU SIMPLY RIDICULE SCRIPTURE EVEN IF IT IS BLACK ON WHITE
are you better and wiser than Daniel
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,04:28) Quote (jammin @ May 29 2014,21:53) rt H. Gundry of Westmont College, Ca, USA wrote us: “As to the translation of John 1:1, “and the Word was a god” is grammatically possible but not grammatically favoured.”
Good. Now I have one more TRINITARIAN scholar to add to my list of people who say “a god” IS a possible way to translate John 1:1c. Thanks, jammin!
Whether or not any of those Trinitarians “FAVOR” that translation is of no serious consequence, since it should be obvious that people who WANT Jesus to BE the very God he is the Son, Messiah, Prophet, Word, Lamb, Priest and Servant OF aren't too bright anyway……. so who really cares what they “FAVOR”?
Quote (jammin @ May 29 2014,21:53) C.H.Dodd has also written The reason why it is unacceptable is that it runs counter to the current of Johannine thought, and indeed of Christian thought as a whole.”-Technical Papers for The Bible Translator, Vol 28, No.1, January 1977.(italics ours)
dont ever think that Dodd is accepting that version. you must read what dodd really meant by saying those words.
I don't need Dodd to ACCEPT the translation of “a god”, jammin. I only need him to say, [b]“a possible translation of [QEOS EN hO LOGOS];
GOOD! hahaha
now your brain is working. hahahathose scholars know greek grammar but you don't! therefore, it is very clear that the Word was a god is not gramatically favoured. it is incorrect and it is not the teaching of the bible.
i told you to study greek language because it is really hard to explain this to a moron like you. you have no idea and what you are doing is just copied and pasted the opinion of those scholars which is in fact not a good point because THEY DO NOT EVEN SUPPORT YOUR BELIEF. HAHAH
if we are going to read the whole thing, they will say it is a possbile translation but not grammatically favoured, and not from doctrine the bible.Mike,
READ AND BE AWARE WHO HAVE DOMINION ON EARTH!
GOD?
MAN?
SINCE GOD DESIGNED IT THAT WAY!
Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and
LET HIM HAVE DOMINION OVER THE WORLD
WOULD YOU CONTRADICT GOD HIMSELF?
THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS GOD STILL ACHIEVE HIS KINGDOM, SINCE HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS JESUS CHRIST!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,04:04) Quote (jammin @ May 29 2014,21:41) i can say i created my computer but it does not mean i created myself.
Correct. So when it is said that all things in heaven were created by God, it doesn't mean God created Himself.Likewise, when it says all things in heaven were created THROUGH Jesus, it doesn't mean Jesus was created THROUGH himself.
Mark 13
18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.Jesus said it was GOD who created the world, jammin. Why don't you believe him?
Acts 4
24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.They prayed TO the one who made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. That one was called “GOD”.
30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
Then they clearly identified Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the “GOD” who made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. They called Jesus the “HOLY SERVANT OF” that God who made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.
And if Jesus is NOT the “GOD” who made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them, then Jesus has no choice but to BE one of the “everything in them” that was created BY the “GOD” they prayed to.
I realize that you WANT Jesus to be “God”. And you WANT Jesus to have existed from eternity. But scriptures simply don't bear this teaching out, jammin. These things are unscriptural, and were made up by men like you, who have a lot of WANTS when it comes to Jesus.
now you know that the phrase GOd created all things does not mean he created himself. hahaha
you are now using your common sense mike but you are still not doing good. why? because you missed something. you are not telling the whole truth.God created all things through christ.
John 1:3
New International Version (NIV)3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Christ creaTED the heaven and the earth
Hebrews 1:10
New International Version (NIV)10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.do you believe that Christ created the heaven and the earth according to heb 1.10? if not, then make your own heb 1.10 version hahahaha
poor mike. you have nothing to offer here but non sense words
kerwin,
a word for word doctrine in the bible is enough to tell you that Christ is the Word in john 1.1
it is your choice not to believe what is written in the bible and i can not force you to accept God's word. only God can open your heart and mind
terraricca,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote where is the father (human) Terraricca,
EVE WAS THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING NOT ADAM
THE MOTHER GIVES LIFE TO HER CHILDREN
SHE DETERMINES WHETHER TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR NOT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 02 2014,22:58) terraricca,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote where is the father (human) Terraricca,
EVE WAS THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING NOT ADAM
THE MOTHER GIVES LIFE TO HER CHILDREN
SHE DETERMINES WHETHER TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR NOT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charlescorrection;Eve was going to become the mother of all beings just as Adam will become the father of all human beings after them ;
but they receive dominion over the earth created by God ,and so received it from God's hands not from any other ,
but to do what with thier new appointing
Ge 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
SO IT WAS A LIMITED DOMINION WOULD YOU NOT SAY ;YES
Quote (jammin @ June 02 2014,22:57) kerwin, a word for word doctrine in the bible is enough to tell you that Christ is the Word in john 1.1
it is your choice not to believe what is written in the bible and i can not force you to accept God's word. only God can open your heart and mind
Jammin,A word for word translation of John 1:1 teaches us only that the word of God was with God and has the qualities of God in the beginning.
To jump from that point and assume that means the word is the one true God is no different than looking as John's words to effect that the one true God is Love and jump to the conclusion he is literally love.
You read what you want into Scripture not what God wants for God teaches us he is but one being and three beings united as one.
Jammin,
Hebrews is written to Jew and Jewish reasoning is not necessary Greek reasoning. Your reasoning is of the later type. If you desire to understand Scripture then you need to hear that which is written to a Jew as if you were a Jew and that which is written to a Greek as if you were a Greek.
Quote Quote He did not loose that nature just because he was immersed in water for the forgiveness of his sins. Kerwin,
THAT'S YOUR OPINION NOT SCRIPTURAL STATED!
Have you not read that Jesus was tempted even as we are but without sins. There is no temptation without the sin nature common to men.
Quote HE WAS NOT IMMERSED IN WATER FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF HIS SINS! HE WAS SINLESS
John knew that which is why he said you should immerse me not me you. Jesus answered and said he must be immersed in John's baptism, a baptism of forgiveness, so all righteousness would be complete.
No radical change though he filled with the Spirit of God was led to take a dream quest for 40 days, on day for each year the Israelites were in the desert after exiting Egypt.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,21:59) Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2014,14:20) Do you still agree that the statement “God is Love” does not mean God is literally love? Do you instead believe God has the qualities of love?
Yes, I agree that God is not LITERALLY the abstract emotion of “love”. Not only does He have the qualities of love, but He is the “epicenter” of love.
Mike,In John 8:12 and John 9:5 Jesus states “I am the light of the world”
Does that mean that he is literally the light of the world or that he has the qualities of the light of the world?
John 8:12
English Standard Version (ESV)12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
John 9:5
English Standard Version (ESV)5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus answered and said he must be immersed in John's baptism, a baptism of forgiveness, so all righteousness would be complete. Kerwin,
FOR JESUS IT WAS NOT A BAPTISM OF FORGIVENESS SINCE HE WAS SINLESS!
JOHN CAME TO BAPTISE THE BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE IN ORDER TO PREPARE A PERFECT PEOPLE FOR JESUS TO PREACH TO, BY REMOVING SATANA FROM THEIR SOULS, SINCE HIS PRESENCE MADE THEIR HEART OF STONE SO ALL THOSE WHO WERE BAPTISED, BELIEVED JESUS'GOSPEL!
BUT IT WAS TEMPORARY THROUGH THEIR REPENTANCE, SINCE JESUS WAS NOT YET CRUCIFIED!
BUT FROM JESUS POINT OF VIEW, HE HAD TO BE BAPTISED IN ORDER TO REMOVE SATANA FROM WITHIN HIS SOUL AND JUSTIFY HIS SUPERIORITY AS GOOD, OVER SATANA WHO WAS EVIL! AND UP TO THAT TIME, IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO OCCUPY ALL SOULS AUTOMATICALLY ON CONCEPTION, AND TAKE THEM TO HELL DUE TO ADAM'S SIN! NO MATTER WHO, AND EVENTUALLY WERE FREED THROUGH JESUS' SUPPOSE DEATH!
THEREFORE:
SINCE JESUS CARRIED SATANA FROM CONCEPTION, IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, AND THAN REMOVED HIM FROM WITHIN HIMSELF ON BAPTISM, AND OFFICIALLY THE FATHER TOOK HOLD OF JESUS'SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT, MANIFESTED IN THE DOVE!
IT WAS DEFINITELY CONFIRMED THAT JESUS ESTABLISHED HIMSELF IN THE MOST POWERFUL STATE, UP TO THAT TIME!
THE FACT THAT THE FATHER HIMSELF DECLARED THAT HE WAS WELL PLEASED WITHIN JESUS'SOUL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 02 2014,00:32) WHILE JESUS WAS BEING TEMPTED SAID: YOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD
No Charles,Satan was tempting Jesus, saying that if he was the Son of God, he should throw himself off the mountain, because God would send His angels to catch him.
And Jesus told Satan, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Jesus was an obedient servant to his and our God, Jehovah. He knew not to test his God and Creator.
Quote (carmel @ June 02 2014,10:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,03:17) God alone gave me life, Charles. He chose to do that THROUGH my parents.
Mike,YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF
Not at all. God alone created all things. But God has done that through many various vessels, including Jesus and my parents.Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?Consider that God created Eve through Adam. That doesn't mean Adam and God BOTH created Eve.
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