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Mike,
Let us start with a statement we agree on.
1 John 4:7
New American Standard Bible (NASB)7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is [a]born of God and knows God.
Footnotes:1 John 4:7 Or begotten
1 John 4:8
New American Standard Bible (NASB)8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:16
New American Standard Bible (NASB)16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has [a]for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
Footnotes:1 John 4:16 Lit in
Do you still agree that the statement “God is Love” does not mean God is literally love?
Do you instead believe God has the qualities of love?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,02:15) Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2014,13:58) ………you prefer to think of Jesus as being superior to human beings in his ability to overcome the world. In doing so you weaken your own faith that we can overcome the world even as he did.
That describes the PERSONAL WISH that people like you, Gene, Marty, and Nick have.You can see from your own very words that you are going into this with the pre-conceived notion that Jesus must be a certain thing, or else stuff is harder for YOU personally.
Don't you see it, Kerwin? Your words basically say, BECAUSE I believe this and that about Jesus before even reading those scriptures you mentioned, I am FORCED to understand them in a way that aligns with that previous belief. So no matter how clearly the scripture might teach about Jesus' pre-existence, I won't be able to see it, because I went into those scriptures with my mind already made up for PERSONAL reasons.
Mike,It is written that blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.
I see no shame in admitting that I seek to be righteous as God is righteous and that biases my understanding of Scripture.
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote The words you just wrote equate to: Jesus was NOT God while he was on earth. Mike,
nevertheless JESUS WAS GOD
SATAN TEMPTED HIM, :
And Jesus answering, said to him: It is said: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
SO JESUS AS SON OF MAN, WAS TEMPTED!
NEVERTHELESS HE HIMSELF DECLARED THAT HE WAS GOD
James 1:13 For God is not a tempter of evils,………….
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED, BUT AS MAN HE WAS BOTH TEMPTED AND REMAINED GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote So “Lucifer” was equal to God, but at the same time subject to God? 
Mike,
WHATEVER GOD CREATED THROUGH LUCIFER!
IT WAS EQUALLY CREATED BOTH BY GOD AND LUCIFER!
SO REGARDING TO CREATION, LUCIFER AND GOD WERE EQUALLY CREATORS!
REGARDING TO POWER LUCIFER WAS SUBJECT TO GOD!
MY POINT IS
THAT THE FIRST BORN CREATURE COULD HAVE BEEN AN ANT!
BUT SINCE THAT CREATURE MUST WITHIN ITSELF ABIDES GOD,
BOTH GOD AND THE CREATURE ARE FIRST-BORN
BUT ONLY THE CREATURE IS CREATED, NOT GOD
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote What you write is not written in Scripture i Kerwin,
JESUS WAS BORN AS A CHILD BUT LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN THEREFORE
SATAN WAS IN HIS SOUL FIRST STATE!
JESUS WAS BAPTISED :
SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM HIS SOUL AND GOD WAS IN FULL POWER IN JESUS! SECOND STATE!
JESUS ENTERED THE DESERT TO BE TEMPTED:
JESUS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WAS A FREE MAN BOTH FROM SATAN! AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD! THIRD STATE!
JESUS TRANSFIGURED ON MOUNT TABOR: FOURTH STATE
JESUS DIED: FIFTH STATE
JESUS RESURRECTED: SIXTH STATE
JESUS INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL ND BECAME:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST:
COMPLETION: SEVEN STATE
WHETHER YOU DISCERN THESE OR NOT, THEY ARE ALL SCRIPTURAL
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Do you still agree that the statement “God is Love” does not mean God is literally love? Kerwin,
GOD IS A LOVE STATE BEING
Quote (carmel @ June 01 2014,04:14) kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote What you write is not written in Scripture i Kerwin,
JESUS WAS BORN AS A CHILD BUT LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN THEREFORE
SATAN WAS IN HIS SOUL FIRST STATE!
JESUS WAS BAPTISED :
SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM HIS SOUL AND GOD WAS IN FULL POWER IN JESUS! SECOND STATE!
JESUS ENTERED THE DESERT TO BE TEMPTED:
JESUS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WAS A FREE MAN BOTH FROM SATAN! AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD! THIRD STATE!
JESUS TRANSFIGURED ON MOUNT TABOR: FOURTH STATE
JESUS DIED: FIFTH STATE
JESUS RESURRECTED: SIXTH STATE
JESUS INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL ND BECAME:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST:
COMPLETION: SEVEN STATE
WHETHER YOU DISCERN THESE OR NOT, THEY ARE ALL SCRIPTURAL
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
carmel,They are not scripture. To even be tempted by evil Jesus required the same nature that human being have to be tempted by evil. He did not loose that nature just because he was immersed in water for the forgiveness of his sins. He did that so righteousness would be complete. There is no word in Scripture that attests that his state changed when he was immersed.
I happen to know Jew baptize for conversion, to anoint a priest, or for other things. Even if he wan anointed a priest of God at that time he did not change his state.
Quote (carmel @ June 01 2014,04:28) kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Do you still agree that the statement “God is Love” does not mean God is literally love? Kerwin,
GOD IS A LOVE STATE BEING
carmel,I am not sure what a love state being is.
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote I am not sure what a love state being is. Kerwin,
THEREFORE YOU ALSO DO NOT KNOW:
WHAT LOVE IS REGARDING GOD
or
WHAT GOD IS REGARDING LOVE!
THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT IS LOVE RELATED TO GOD!
THE FATHER IS LOVE! HIS ATTRIBUTE!
BUT WITH LOVE ALONE THE FATHER COULD ACHIEVE NOTHING!
SO GOD ALSO HAD WISDOM
THE SON IS WISDOM HIS ATTRIBUTE
WITH LOVE AND WISDOM GOD STILL COULD NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING!
SO GOD HAD ALSO POWER!
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS POWER HIS ATTRIBUTE!
NOW EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE
SIMPLY PERFECTION
UNLESS THESE THREE ARE COMBINED AS
ONE IN FULL HARMONY, EVEN WHEN FOR US THEY SEEM FUNCTION INDIVIDUALLY
NOTHING COULD BE ACHIEVED!SO ALL KIND OF CREATURES ARE COMPOSED WITH THESE THREE PRIMORDIAL SPIRITS/ATTRIBUTES!
IN ORDER TO BE RELATED SOMEHOW WITH GOD AND RECEIVE LIFE ETERNALLY NO MATTER WHAT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote He did not loose that nature just because he was immersed in water for the forgiveness of his sins. Kerwin,
THAT'S YOUR OPINION NOT SCRIPTURALLY STATED!
ALL MINE ARE!
HE WAS NOT IMMERSED IN WATER FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF HIS SINS!
HE WAS SINLESS
SO HE DID IT TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF THAT HE WAS IN THE TRUTH THE REDEEMER, FROM SATANA’S GRIP!
Matthew 3:15………..Suffer it to be so now.
For so it becometh us TO FULFIL ALL JUSTICE.SO IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME, ALL JUSTICE HAD BEEN FULFILLED?
THEREFORE THERE WAS DEFINITELY A RADICAL CHANGE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Kerwin,
AND THE TRUTH WAS THAT JOHN THROUGH HIS BAPTISM, REMOVED TEMPORARY SATAN’S SPIRIT FROM ALL THOSE WHO WERE BAPTISED, AND PREPARED THEM PURPOSELY TO ACCEPT JESUS AND HIS GOSPEL
BUT IN JESUS CHRIST CASE JOHN REMOVED HIM FOR EVER, AND HE ONLY RETURNED, AGAINST HIS WILL, AND WAS ERADICATED FROM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS OF CREATION ON THE CROSS!
NOW READ:
And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water:
and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him. 17And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
ALL THE ABOVE OCCURRED AFTER HE CAME OUT OF THE WATER NOT BEFORE, OBVIOUS DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOTHING REMAINED THE SAME!
EVEN A WAR IN HEAVEN OCCURRED, THE FACT THAT JOHN WAS KILLED
Matthew 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent bear it away.
SO THINGS REALLY DID CHANGE
LUKE 4:1 AND Jesus BEING FULL of the Holy Ghost, returned from the Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the desert,
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WAS IN A DIFFERENT STATE AFTER HE WAS BAPTISED!
Matthew 4:14 And Jesus RETURNED IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT,…………..
AGAIN A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WAS BACK IN HIS FULL POWER!
Quote (carmel @ June 01 2014,19:08) Kerwin, AND THE TRUTH WAS THAT JOHN THROUGH HIS BAPTISM, REMOVED TEMPORARY SATAN’S SPIRIT FROM ALL THOSE WHO WERE BAPTISED, AND PREPARED THEM PURPOSELY TO ACCEPT JESUS AND HIS GOSPEL
BUT IN JESUS CHRIST CASE JOHN REMOVED HIM FOR EVER, AND HE ONLY RETURNED, AGAINST HIS WILL, AND WAS ERADICATED FROM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS OF CREATION ON THE CROSS!
NOW READ:
And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water:
and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him. 17And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
ALL THE ABOVE OCCURRED AFTER HE CAME OUT OF THE WATER NOT BEFORE, OBVIOUS DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOTHING REMAINED THE SAME!
EVEN A WAR IN HEAVEN OCCURRED, THE FACT THAT JOHN WAS KILLED
Matthew 11:12And from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent bear it away.
SO THINGS REALLY DID CHANGE
LUKE 4:1 AND Jesus BEING FULL of the Holy Ghost, returned from the Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the desert,
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WAS IN A DIFFERENT STATE AFTER HE WAS BAPTISED!
Matthew 4:14 And Jesus RETURNED IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT,…………..
AGAIN A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WAS BACK IN HIS FULL POWER!
Charlesnice story ,what is it about
Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2014,14:20) Do you still agree that the statement “God is Love” does not mean God is literally love? Do you instead believe God has the qualities of love?
Yes, I agree that God is not LITERALLY the abstract emotion of “love”. Not only does He have the qualities of love, but He is the “epicenter” of love.terraricca,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote nice story ,what is it about Terraricca,
GOD'S WISDOM IS FOOLISHNESS FOR THE WISE OF THE WORLD!
AND
GOD'S FOOLISHNESS IS WISER THAN THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD!
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2014,14:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,02:15) Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2014,13:58) ………you prefer to think of Jesus as being superior to human beings in his ability to overcome the world. In doing so you weaken your own faith that we can overcome the world even as he did.
That describes the PERSONAL WISH that people like you, Gene, Marty, and Nick have.You can see from your own very words that you are going into this with the pre-conceived notion that Jesus must be a certain thing, or else stuff is harder for YOU personally.
Don't you see it, Kerwin? Your words basically say, BECAUSE I believe this and that about Jesus before even reading those scriptures you mentioned, I am FORCED to understand them in a way that aligns with that previous belief. So no matter how clearly the scripture might teach about Jesus' pre-existence, I won't be able to see it, because I went into those scriptures with my mind already made up for PERSONAL reasons.
Mike,It is written that blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled.
I see no shame in admitting that I seek to be righteous as God is righteous and that biases my understanding of Scripture.
I agree that those are good things we all should do. But your words had nothing to do with seeking righteousness, or with trying to be more like the God who created you.Instead, your words have to do with making sure Jesus was exactly like the rest of us, so YOU can feel more empowered to attain the righteousness Jesus attained.
Your thinking is: I've already made up my mind that Jesus must have been just like me, beginning his existence as a human being. Therefore, when John 1 clearly identifies the Word as “JESUS”, I MUST find a different explanation for that teaching, because it is not what I WANT to hear. It goes AGAINST my personal wish, therefore it MUST mean something different.
Quote (carmel @ May 31 2014,15:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,05:13) The words you just wrote equate to: Jesus was NOT God while he was on earth. Mike,
nevertheless JESUS WAS GOD
SATAN TEMPTED HIM, :
And Jesus answering, said to him: It is said: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
SO JESUS AS SON OF MAN, WAS TEMPTED!
NEVERTHELESS HE HIMSELF DECLARED THAT HE WAS GOD
James 1:13 For God is not a tempter of evils,………….
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED, BUT AS MAN HE WAS BOTH TEMPTED AND REMAINED GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,That whole post amounts to: Jesus was tempted. God CAN'T BE tempted. Nevertheless, Jesus WAS God anyway.
You break logic and scriptures – throwing both out the window – just to make sure your final conclusion is “Jesus is God”. It makes no sense.
Quote (carmel @ May 31 2014,15:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2014,06:57) So “Lucifer” was equal to God, but at the same time subject to God?
Mike,WHATEVER GOD CREATED THROUGH LUCIFER!
IT WAS EQUALLY CREATED BOTH BY GOD AND LUCIFER!
SO REGARDING TO CREATION, LUCIFER AND GOD WERE EQUALLY CREATORS!
So then whatever God created through your parents, namely YOU, was equally created by God and your parents? Does that sound right to you? Are your parents on equal footing with God, just because God chose to create you THROUGH them?Quote (carmel @ May 31 2014,15:57) BOTH GOD AND THE CREATURE ARE FIRST-BORN BUT ONLY THE CREATURE IS CREATED, NOT GOD
God is not the “firstBORN” of anything or anyone. The term firstborn refers to the one born first, or to one who has been GIVEN firstborn rights.God wasn't ever “born”, nor did anyone ever GIVE God “firstborn rights”.
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote So then whatever God created through your parents, namely YOU, was equally created by God and your parents? Mike,
WHO GAVE YOU LIFE!
GOD ONLY?
YOUR MOTHER ONLY?
OR
BOTH GOD AND YOUR MOTHER?
ALSO:
WHO CONCEIVED YOU?
GOD ON HIS OWN?
YOUR PARENTS ON THEIR OWN?
OR
BOTH YOUR PARENTS AND GOD?
WHO SUPPLIED THE SPERM?
YOUR FATHER OR GOD?
WHO SUPPLIED THE OVUM?
YOUR MOTHER OR GOD?
NOW? IF GOD WASN'T IN LUCIFER, COULD GOD EVER CREATED ANY THING THROUGH LUCIFER?
IF GOD WASN'T IN LUCIFER COULD LUCIFER EVER CREATED ANYTHING AT ALL?
APART THAT HE COULDN'T HAVE EVER EXISTED!
JUST ANSWER THOSE FOR NOW!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 01 2014,22:02) terraricca,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote nice story ,what is it about Terraricca,
GOD'S WISDOM IS FOOLISHNESS FOR THE WISE OF THE WORLD!
AND
GOD'S FOOLISHNESS IS WISER THAN THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD!
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
charlesthis is self indulgence from your part ,because what you wrote was not wisdom of above but strange philosophy from the world ,
do not take scriptures to applied to your personal use ,
unless what you teach comes from God's truth not yours
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