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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:32) Quote (jammin @ May 22 2014,07:37) of course you are not john but you are equal in essence and that is what i am trying to say in this forum but unfortunately, your brain is not working properly.
That's funny….. because that is exactly what I'M trying to say also.I am not John, but equal to John in essence…………
Jesus is not God, but equal to God in essence……….
bingo!
i thought you do not believe Christ is equal with God?now you do believe that Jesus is equal with God the father in essence. hahaha
first of all, i did not claim that jesus is God the father. that is not written in the bible. hahahha
therefore, the son and the father have the same nature, God. they are equal in essence. now mike do you know the essence of God?
Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2014,05:47) Quote (jammin @ May 23 2014,22:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,05:16) Jammin, Quote I DID NOT CLAIM THAT THE FATHER IS ALSO THE SON. So you have changed your doctrine and now claim Jesus is equal to the one God but is not the one God.
i did not change my doctrine. your reading comprehension is so poor.
you may read again all of my posts.
i said the son is like his father. they are both God in nature. they are equal in essence.a good example is ( albeit i mentioned this before many times, ill repeat it just for your sake)
you and your father are equal in essence. you are both HUMAN. that is your essense(nature). you are HUMAN.
Christ and his father are equal in nature, God.
the bible said there is God the father and God the only son.believe it or not
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
you do not want to believe GW version because it is not applicable to your fairy tale doctrine. whatever version you choose, it will still not support your imagination.
Philippians 2:6-7
New Life Version (NLV)6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God. 7 He put aside everything that belonged to Him and made Himself the same as a servant who is owned by someone. He became human by being born as a man.
if you do understand english, you will know the true meaning of the verse. but i think you need to study more because your reading comprehension is so poor. it is non-sense to tell did not consider equality with God if he is not equal with God.
that is so very basic and even a grade one student can understand that
jaminJn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIV
1984
do you understand the version?hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
Quote (kerwin @ May 24 2014,07:12) Quote (jammin @ May 23 2014,22:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,05:16) Jammin, Quote I DID NOT CLAIM THAT THE FATHER IS ALSO THE SON. So you have changed your doctrine and now claim Jesus is equal to the one God but is not the one God.
i did not change my doctrine. your reading comprehension is so poor.
you may read again all of my posts.
i said the son is like his father. they are both God in nature. they are equal in essence.a good example is ( albeit i mentioned this before many times, ill repeat it just for your sake)
you and your father are equal in essence. you are both HUMAN. that is your essense(nature). you are HUMAN.
Christ and his father are equal in nature, God.
the bible said there is God the father and God the only son.believe it or not
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
you do not want to believe GW version because it is not applicable to your fairy tale doctrine. whatever version you choose, it will still not support your imagination.
Philippians 2:6-7
New Life Version (NLV)6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God. 7 He put aside everything that belonged to Him and made Himself the same as a servant who is owned by someone. He became human by being born as a man.
if you do understand english, you will know the true meaning of the verse. but i think you need to study more because your reading comprehension is so poor. it is non-sense to tell did not consider equality with God if he is not equal with God.
that is so very basic and even a grade one student can understand that
Jammin,I am sure you did claim that Jesus did not exist in the form of the Father but I do not feel like taking to time to go back and seek for where you said it or think it would be worth my time to do so.
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
It has comments that you did not quote. They are relevant and thus should be quoted to avoid the appearance of dishonesty.
Footnotes:
John 1:18 Some manuscripts but the only Son, who
This is a point that is passage that is debatable among manuscripts. Translators debate the correct translation of the two manuscript variation and then interpretations take the variance even further.
It does not prove Jesus is God. I do not know why trinitarians attempt to use reason when they are willing to accept the unreasonable statement that God can be tempted by evil even as we are.
The God of heaven is unable to be tempted by evil in any circumstance. Temptation of that type is completely alien to his nature.
those two versions did not say Christ is not God. you cant find that in any version. that is only your imagination.
you are full of imaginations hahahaa very clear interpretation of that verse is that the father is God and no one sees the father but the son, who is himself God. the greek says monogenes theos.
you should learn how to read the context of the verse. first, you do not believe that the Word in john 1.1 is Christ and now you are trying to give me another fairy tale doctrine that is not written in the bible. stop sniffing mosquito coil. i noticed from page one of this thread, you are always answering with a mosquitio coil spirit.
that is not good.Mike,
Could you repeat those posts in the thread you speak of unless you already have already written the equivalent of the content.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,18:55) Quote (kerwin @ May 24 2014,07:12) Quote (jammin @ May 23 2014,22:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,05:16) Jammin, Quote I DID NOT CLAIM THAT THE FATHER IS ALSO THE SON. So you have changed your doctrine and now claim Jesus is equal to the one God but is not the one God.
i did not change my doctrine. your reading comprehension is so poor.
you may read again all of my posts.
i said the son is like his father. they are both God in nature. they are equal in essence.a good example is ( albeit i mentioned this before many times, ill repeat it just for your sake)
you and your father are equal in essence. you are both HUMAN. that is your essense(nature). you are HUMAN.
Christ and his father are equal in nature, God.
the bible said there is God the father and God the only son.believe it or not
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
you do not want to believe GW version because it is not applicable to your fairy tale doctrine. whatever version you choose, it will still not support your imagination.
Philippians 2:6-7
New Life Version (NLV)6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God. 7 He put aside everything that belonged to Him and made Himself the same as a servant who is owned by someone. He became human by being born as a man.
if you do understand english, you will know the true meaning of the verse. but i think you need to study more because your reading comprehension is so poor. it is non-sense to tell did not consider equality with God if he is not equal with God.
that is so very basic and even a grade one student can understand that
Jammin,I am sure you did claim that Jesus did not exist in the form of the Father but I do not feel like taking to time to go back and seek for where you said it or think it would be worth my time to do so.
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
It has comments that you did not quote. They are relevant and thus should be quoted to avoid the appearance of dishonesty.
Footnotes:
John 1:18 Some manuscripts but the only Son, who
This is a point that is passage that is debatable among manuscripts. Translators debate the correct translation of the two manuscript variation and then interpretations take the variance even further.
It does not prove Jesus is God. I do not know why trinitarians attempt to use reason when they are willing to accept the unreasonable statement that God can be tempted by evil even as we are.
The God of heaven is unable to be tempted by evil in any circumstance. Temptation of that type is completely alien to his nature.
those two versions did not say Christ is not God. you cant find that in any version. that is only your imagination.
you are full of imaginations hahahaa very clear interpretation of that verse is that the father is God and no one sees the father but the son, who is himself God. the greek says monogenes theos.
you should learn how to read the context of the verse. first, you do not believe that the Word in john 1.1 is Christ and now you are trying to give me another fairy tale doctrine that is not written in the bible. stop sniffing mosquito coil. i noticed from page one of this thread, you are always answering with a mosquitio coil spirit.
that is not good.
Jammin,You are trying to convince me that the human being Jesus is the one true God. That is fraud. I am well aware you can either be a human, as Scripture teaches us Jesus is, or God but not both.
You are trying to convince me God can be tempted by sin even as we are and I know God is incapable of being tempted by sin.
All you prove is that experts, who should know better, say absurd things and that are one of those that are easy to defraud. I have known that about some experts and God rebukes them for their foolishness but you are the one to choose if God will rebuke you.
I look for more honest translations of passages.
Jammin,
Quote do you understand the version? hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
God's word is God's word, it does not change with the shifting versions. I understand the translators decided to establish their trinitarian cred by their choice of translation.
I know that JW translators or those of a similar bias would have used a lower case g.
That is how mere men behave. Only the sons have the true bias.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Charles, how many times does Jesus mention “my God” in that verse? Does God Almighty call anyone “my God”?
Mike,
IRONICALLY AGAIN, YOU ARE PRODUCING SCRIPTURES WHICH ONLY COMPLETELY DESTROY YOUR BELIEF, AND YOUR ARGUMENTS!
JOHN UP TO THAT PARTICULAR CHAPTER, AND WITHOUT VERIFYING, NEVER SO EMPHATICALLY MENTIONS THE TERM MY GOD THROUGHOUT REVELATION, AND I BELIEVE NOT EVEN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE,
WITH SO MUCH RIGOUR, ANDSIGNIFICANCE,
WHICH DEFINITELY IS NOT AN ACT TO SIMPLY IGNORE, OR MAKE SENSELESS CONCLUSIONS ABOUT IT, IN THIS CASE LIKE YOU DID,
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE, IN ONE PARTICULAR VERSE, MENTIONED IT FOUR TIMES
SO IT DIDN'T OCCURRED TO YOU THAT THOSE FOUR TIMES MY GODS IN ONE VERSE THEY MEANT TO ANNOUNCE RATHER A VITAL MESSAGE?
WHEN WILL YOU USE HEAVENLY WISDOM, AND IGNORE FOR A WHILE WORLDLY WISDOM, AND RESPECT SUCH, AND OTHER COMMON TYPICAL SINGS THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE?
THOSE FOUR TERMS MY GOD WERE SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST FOR SURE!
BUT FOR SURE AS WELL JESUS SPOKE EMPHATICALLY IN THAT MODE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE IN THE TRUTH IS:
IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
THEREFORE:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
SO FROM GOD'S SIDE POINT OF VIEW THERE IS:
THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, DEFINITELY THREE SPIRITS
FROM JESUS CHRIST'STHE WORD, POINT OF VIEW ONE FLESH BODY
GLORIFIED WITH THE SPIRIT STATE!
THEREFORE:
FOUR SPIRITS IN ONE BEING, JESUS CHRIST!
GOD'S MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT!
ACHIEVED THROUGH JESUS' DEATH, WITH HIS OWN BLOOD!
THEREFORE IT IS PERFECTLY AND WELL JUSTIFIED THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF RELATED THIS PARTICULAR GOD TO HIMSELF,
IT BELONGS TO HIM, HE ACHIEVED IT THROUGH HIS OWN BLOOD!AND IT'S ONLY HIS TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
AND EVEN MADE IT CLEAR AND PRONOUCED IT FOUR TIMES TO INDICATE HIS GLORIFICATION IN THE TRUTH!
BUT IN THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAME PRONOUNCEMENT, HE ALSO DECLARED THAT GOD ALMIGHTY IS ALSO ESTABLISHED AS:
THE GOD OF ALL FLESH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Hi,
Of course God was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself[2cor 5.19]
But God was not in HimselfQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,03:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,10:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:30) Hi MB,
Listen to wakeup“If you dont believe that God was speaking through Jesus.
May God help you.”
I believe Jesus spoke exactly what God instructed him to speak.I have never denied that God spoke through Jesus – just like God spoke through Moses, David, Elijah, Samuel, etc……..
Hi MB,
But when it comes to the crunch you try to prove God was not speaking through Jesus and elevate the man instead.
Nope. I just tell it like the scriptures tell it.Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:34) Quote (jammin @ May 22 2014,07:45) firstborn of all creation does not mean he was created by God.
Sure it does, just like “firstborn from the dead” means he was the first of the dead to be born again.Revelation 3:14 and Proverbs 8:22-25 also back up our understanding of Col 1:15, jammin.
give me any version that will support your view in col 1.15.ill give you 100000 yrs to find one hahahha.
Colossians 1:15 King James Version
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:Okay….. done.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:32)
I am not John, but equal to John in essence…………Jesus is not God, but equal to God in essence……….
bingo!
i thought you do not believe Christ is equal with God?
I don't…….. unless by “essence” you mean Jesus is a spirit being like God is a spirit being.Those two comparison statements were made for your benefit.
If I can be EQUAL TO John in essence, then I absolutely cannot BE John.
If Jesus can be EQUAL TO God in essence, then Jesus absolutely cannot BE God.
You have all the tools now, jammin. If you still can't figure out this kindergarten-level understanding, then I can't help you anymore.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:55) those two versions did not say Christ is not God
I don't think there is a version that says, “King David is not God.”Does that mean King David IS God?
Come on, jammin.
Quote (carmel @ May 27 2014,12:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,14:05) Charles, how many times does Jesus mention “my God” in that verse? Does God Almighty call anyone “my God”?
Mike,
IRONICALLY AGAIN, YOU ARE PRODUCING SCRIPTURES WHICH ONLY COMPLETELY DESTROY YOUR BELIEF, AND YOUR ARGUMENTS!
JOHN UP TO THAT PARTICULAR CHAPTER, AND WITHOUT VERIFYING, NEVER SO EMPHATICALLY MENTIONS THE TERM MY GOD THROUGHOUT REVELATION, AND I BELIEVE NOT EVEN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE, WITH SO MUCH RIGOUR………
It is JESUS who is talking about his God, Charles. JESUS is the one who says “my God” four times in one verse.God Almighty doesn't have anyone HE calls “my God”. Jesus does.
The Word of God, and the word of men.
In the Word of God, is the spirit of truth, which also is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of the Word, can not seperate.
Where ever the Word is; there is the Holy Spirit also.
Whenever God’s Word is spoken; the Spirit of truth goes with it.Every Word that comes out of the mouth of God is truth.
There is no untruth found in God’s Word.
God can not lie.The word of men has divers kinds of spirits.
One can just say something; and it can make some one happy.
Because of the spirit in the words spoken.Or one can say another thing; and it can make someone sad, or angry. Because of the spirit in the words spoken.
Mens word can have many spirits in it. Such as:
The spirit of truth. He is a very honest man.The spirit of lies; he is a full time lier.
The spirit of deception; He is a deceiver.
The spirit of temptation; He/she likes to tempt.
The spirit of hate;he hates anybody, and everybody.
The spirit of love;which only comes from God.
What ever the spirit is in each word; it can not seperate.
A word of lies;t he spirit is in it; belongs to the group of lies.
A word of love;the spirit is in it; belongs to the group of love.wakeup.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,18:49) Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2014,05:47) Quote (jammin @ May 23 2014,22:17) Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,05:16) Jammin, Quote I DID NOT CLAIM THAT THE FATHER IS ALSO THE SON. So you have changed your doctrine and now claim Jesus is equal to the one God but is not the one God.
i did not change my doctrine. your reading comprehension is so poor.
you may read again all of my posts.
i said the son is like his father. they are both God in nature. they are equal in essence.a good example is ( albeit i mentioned this before many times, ill repeat it just for your sake)
you and your father are equal in essence. you are both HUMAN. that is your essense(nature). you are HUMAN.
Christ and his father are equal in nature, God.
the bible said there is God the father and God the only son.believe it or not
John 1:18
New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
you do not want to believe GW version because it is not applicable to your fairy tale doctrine. whatever version you choose, it will still not support your imagination.
Philippians 2:6-7
New Life Version (NLV)6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God. 7 He put aside everything that belonged to Him and made Himself the same as a servant who is owned by someone. He became human by being born as a man.
if you do understand english, you will know the true meaning of the verse. but i think you need to study more because your reading comprehension is so poor. it is non-sense to tell did not consider equality with God if he is not equal with God.
that is so very basic and even a grade one student can understand that
jaminJn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIV
1984
do you understand the version?hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
jAMINI feel it is so stupid ,that a child can see it ; who is beside the father
is God the father and sit beside himself
when are you going to use your god given brain,???
Hi WU,
This why you must test the spirits.
The evil spirits can imitate the abilities of the Holy Spirit in knowledge and miracles. etcQuote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,04:19) Jammin, Quote do you understand the version? hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
God's word is God's word, it does not change with the shifting versions. I understand the translators decided to establish their trinitarian cred by their choice of translation.
I know that JW translators or those of a similar bias would have used a lower case g.
That is how mere men behave. Only the sons have the true bias.
those who have ENOUGH knowledge about greek will not translate john 1.1 as god but God.
if you study greek language, you will understand the true meaning of john 1.1.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,12:12) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:34) Quote (jammin @ May 22 2014,07:45) firstborn of all creation does not mean he was created by God.
Sure it does, just like “firstborn from the dead” means he was the first of the dead to be born again.Revelation 3:14 and Proverbs 8:22-25 also back up our understanding of Col 1:15, jammin.
give me any version that will support your view in col 1.15.ill give you 100000 yrs to find one hahahha.
Colossians 1:15 King James Version
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:Okay….. done.
because you dont understand, you give people false explanation.that version did not say created but firstborn of every creature. what is the meaning of that? it should not be explained literally because according to the context, he is supreme over all creation.
col 1.16 KJV
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
the firstborn of every creature; not the first of the creation, or the first creature God made; for all things in Colossians 1:16 are said to be created by him, and therefore he himself can never be a creature;
make your own version mike and put there he was CREATED hahahah
Quote (jammin @ May 28 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,04:19) Jammin, Quote do you understand the version? hahaha
let me post it again
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIVstudy more boy
God's word is God's word, it does not change with the shifting versions. I understand the translators decided to establish their trinitarian cred by their choice of translation.
I know that JW translators or those of a similar bias would have used a lower case g.
That is how mere men behave. Only the sons have the true bias.
those who have ENOUGH knowledge about greek will not translate john 1.1 as god but God.
if you study greek language, you will understand the true meaning of john 1.1.
Jaminwould this not exclude you
you have a problem to see the problems ;in John 1 -18 or John 1-1
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2014,12:15) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:32)
I am not John, but equal to John in essence…………Jesus is not God, but equal to God in essence……….
bingo!
i thought you do not believe Christ is equal with God?
I don't……..
now let us check what mike said beforemike said :
Jesus is not God, but equal to God in essence……….bingo!
now what is the essence/nature of God? do you have the answer mike? i want complete answers.
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