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Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,17:54) Mike, I already told you that there is no evidence that souls enter heaven. It is only your choice to interpret prophecy literally that gives you any evidence. You make that choice even though you know that prophecy is often metaphoric.
Revelation 4:4
After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven.John was seeing a vision of things in heaven, Kerwin.
Revelation 6
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.
John was still “in heaven” when he witnessed the Lamb take the scroll from God (who he described as having a FORM). He was still in heaven when the Lamb started opening the seals. And he was therefore still in heaven when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, and he saw the souls of those who had been slain.
Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.I don't know what else to tell you, Kerwin. You seem to be in a sort of denial or something. I mean, the scripture clearly says there are souls in heaven, yet you scold me with the words in the quote box above.
If these souls being in heaven is simply a parable or something, then the fact that they will rule with Christ for a thousand years must also just be a parable.
Can we believe the latter without believing the former? (This is assuming that you DO believe the latter part.)
Quote (journey42 @ May 17 2014,18:31) Hi Mike I just want to butt in and say well spoken
Why thank you, Miss.Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,18:42) Why limit it to flesh, blood, and bone if you choose an expansive interpretation? Humans also have a soul and spirit.
Think it out, Kerwin. In the resurrection, do we get a new “soul”? Do we get a new “spirit”?If so, then show me these things from scripture.
As far as I know, we will get a new BODY – not a new spirit and soul.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote A father can give his son “everything he owns”. But we must also use reason, Charles. If God literally gave Jesus EVERYTHING, then God Himself would have NOTHING – not even an existence.
Mike,
YOU RIDICULE GOD ALL THE TIME WITH YOUR CONCLUSIONS!
ONLY MIKE CONCLUDES SUCH MUMBO JUMBO STUFF! BECAUSE HE IS A MERE MORTAL BEING ANCHORED WITH WORLDLY WISDOM, AND HE DOESN'T RESPECT
GOD AS GOD, BUT AS A LIMITED BEING, OR EVEN AS A MORTAL HUMAN FLESH FATHER
GOD’S THINGS ARE NOT MATERIAL SUCH AS PROPERTY OR MONEY, BUT SPIRITUAL POWERS AND ATTRIBUTES IN A WAY, AS YOU SAID BUT HARDLY BELIEVE IN IT YOURSELF:
THAT AS SOON AS JESUS OPENS HIS MOUTH ALL THE ENTIRE SPIRITUAL FORCES SIMPLY OBEY! THESE POWERS ARE STILL OWNED BY GOD EVEN MORE THAN EVER, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IS CONFIRMED EVEN AMONG HIS ENEMIES:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
AND GOD AND JESUS ARE INTEGRATED AS ONE IN EVERY SENSE! WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH CONTRADICT ME MIKE! I’M WAITING!
SO GOD GAVE ALL HIS SPIRITS ATTRIBUTES TO JESUS,INCLUDING ALL TITLES,AND TO MAKE IT CLEAR:
THE TITLE OF :
GOD, FATHER, CREATOR, JUDGE, ETERNAL LIFE, AND MORE ,MORE AND MORE!
BUT IN THE SAME TIME HE STILL MAINTAINS EVERYTHING TO HIMSELF!
WHAT THE HELL YOU MEAN BY GOD BEING NON EXISTENT, IF HE GAVE ALL HIS THINGS TO JESUS CHRIST!
WHEN GOD ALMIGHTY MADE HIS OWN FLESH ABODE JESUS CHRIST SEEMED NON EXISTENT, AND THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS BOTH GOD ALMIGHTY, AND JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED IN THE HIGHEST GLORY EVER!
SCRIPTURE IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
ALL MINE ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE CAN YOU SEE THIS SHARING MIKE?
THE FATHER GAVE ALL HIS SPIRITUAL ATTRIBUTES TO JESUS, AND JESUS GAVE ALL HIS HUMAN ATTRIBUTES TO THE FATHER!
AND BOTH OF THEM RETAINED THEIR OWN! GENUINE ATTRIBUTES!
SO AGAIN SINCE GOD GAVE ALL HIS THINGS TO JESUS,
JESUS IS GOD AS ALMIGHTY IS GOD!
JESUS IS FATHER AS ALMIGHTY GOD IS FATHER!
JESUS IS A CREATOR AS GOD ALMIGHTY IS A CREATOR!
NOW:
SINCE YOU SHIFTED YOUR ARGUMENT, LIKE YOU DID IN THE OTHER POST, WHEN YOU GAVE AN ANSWER OUT OF CONTEXT IN RESPECT TO MY QUESTION,
I AM POSITIVELY SURE THAT YOU LOST YOUR ARGUMENT REGARDING JESUS’ SPIRITUAL STATE ON EARTH,
NOW IT’S UP TO YOU TO PROVE OTHERWISE,
NOT OUT OF CONTEXT, NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, AND NEITHER YOUR OPINION!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Charles, God sent His only begotten Son to earth as a sacrificial lamb that GOD offered up on our behalf.
The lamb was never the God who offered him up……. and never WILL BE the God who offered him up.
If you cannot understand these simple Biblical principles, how can I have a serious scriptural discussion with you?
Mike,
THE ABOVE IS A SUNDAY SCHOOL STUFF!
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING CHILDISH STUFF BUT GROWN UPS STUFF, FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE MATURE AND MAINTAIN THEMSELVES NOT ON MILK, BUT ON MEAT!
NOW READ SPECIFICALLY SOME GROWN UPS STUFF IN THE TRUTH!
GOD SENT HIS SON AS A MERE MORTAL BEING! LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN! SON OF MAN
WITHOUT THE USE OF MAN! COMPARE THE ABOVE WITH OUR FATHERS NOW MIKE,
SINCE THAT WHAT YOU DO ALL THE TIME CONCERNING GOD ALMIGHTY!
GOD SENT HIS SON ALSO AS THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRITUAL BEING THE SON OF GOD
NOW GOD SENT JESUS CHRIST IN THE ABOVE STATE, ONLY WHEN HE CAME THROUGH WHAT IN OUR CORRUPTED MENTALITY CALL A WOMAN !
ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT,
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT:
Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
NEVERTHELESS HE LOWERED HIMSELF AND OFFERED HIMSELF TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN
SERVED TO THE EXTENT THAT HE BECAME A SACRIFICE LIKE A LAMB
FACED AND DESTROYED SATANA ON HIS PARTICULAR DEATH,
HERE THIS MIKE NOW:
AND THROUGH HIS DEATH ITSELF, GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER, GLORIFIED HIMSELF, AND BECAME
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
NO MIKE! NOT JUST THE ABOVE ONLY,
I AM TALKING ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE FATHER,NOT ABOUT A MERE MORTAL HUMAN CARNAL FATHER, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT:
JESUS CHRIST, THE MERE MAN, THE SON OF GOD, THE SERVANT, THE LAMB, IS NO LONGER UNDER THOSE TITLES!
BUT INHERITED AND OWNS, AS HIS OWN ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD ALMIGHTY SO HE IS ALSO GLORIFIED AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
BECAUSE SCRIPTURES ARE AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
John 17:10 And all my things are yours, and yours are mine; and I am glorified in them
Genesis 2:24 Wherefore a MERE man shall leave ALMIGHTY GOD THE father and WHAT FOR US IS mother, and shall cleave to his wife: WHAT IN THE TRUTH IS US! THE CHURCH and they shall be TWO IN ONE FLESH THE FATHER AND THE SON
ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES UNITED WITH FLESH CREATURES RESPECTIVELY MANIFESTED IN THE ENTIRE KINGDOM OF THE SON,
NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER BUT THE SON, NO ONE KNOWS THE SON BUT THE FATHER, AND ONLY THE SON MANIFESTS HIM
CHEW MIKE GROWN UPS STUFF!
SO FROM NOW ON,
DO NOT SHOUT ONLY HOW, AND WHAT JESUS CHRIST CAME IN,
SOMETHING WELL OVER AND DONE WITH,
BUT MOST OF ALL SHOUT WHAT JESUS CHRIST BECAME, AND IS!
WHO SPEAKS OF THE SEED ONCE THE SEED BECAME A TREE, AND THE TREE PRODUCES FRUIT! ALL PRAISE THE TREE! NO?
NOW YOU HAVE YOUR GOD JEHOVAH, ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST! OR NO GOD AT ALL!
YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST! WITHOUT
ETERNAL DAMNATION
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OWN ONLY JESUS CHRIST'S BODY
IN ORDER TO BECOME A GOD AND ALSO BECOME ONE WITH ALMIGHTY GOD!
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT'S THE TRUTH!
John 17:20 And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall
BELIEVE IN ME; IN JESUS CHRIST!
21That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also
MAY BE ONE IN US;
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles!
Quote (carmel @ May 18 2014,00:44) SCRIPTURE IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL! ALL MINE ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE CAN YOU SEE THIS SHARING MIKE?
Yes, I can see it, Charles.The Father shares the things He has always had with His favorite servant/son, Jesus the anointed of God.
Pharaoh also shared all he had with his servant, Joseph. He put Joseph in control of his entire kingdom, right?
Yet Joseph never “assimilated into” Pharaoh, and Jesus never “assimilated into” God.
I can see that Jesus' God and creator shares with His holy servant Jesus. Can you also see that?
Quote (carmel @ May 18 2014,08:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,13:11) Charles, God sent His only begotten Son to earth as a sacrificial lamb that GOD offered up on our behalf.
The lamb was never the God who offered him up……. and never WILL BE the God who offered him up.
If you cannot understand these simple Biblical principles, how can I have a serious scriptural discussion with you?
Mike,
THE ABOVE IS A SUNDAY SCHOOL STUFF!
If that is what they are teaching in Sunday School…….. then good on them! They are teaching it correctly.I pray they don't ever start teaching that other stuff from your post, because it is unscriptural nonsense.
Little children don't need to have their heads filled with that garbage, Charles.
They only need to know that there is one God who created them, and everything else. And that this one God loved them so much that He was willing to sacrifice His own beloved firstborn Son so they could become reconciled to God, and have the chance to receive everlasting life.
Quote (carmel @ May 18 2014,08:11) HERE THIS MIKE NOW: AND THROUGH HIS DEATH ITSELF, GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER, GLORIFIED HIMSELF, AND BECAME
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
Oh brother! Shall we begin again?
God sent His only begotten Son to earth as a sacrificial lamb that GOD offered up on our behalf.
The lamb was never the God who offered him up……. and never WILL BE the God who offered him up.
Learn that first, and then come talk to me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,06:59) Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,17:11) It is crucial that men hear that they require a new spirit to inherit the world to come and yet by your choice of interpretation you hide that fact.
Can you show me this teaching in a scripture or two?
Mike,I do not know if you would believe it. I can try.
Galatians 5:16-26 gives the lesson about those who live by the flesh not entering the kingdom of heaven.
Mostly Ezekiel speaks of Jehovah announcing that he will give his people a new hear and a new spirit.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,12:58) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2014,10:45) if christ is not equal with God then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. do you understand the logic here? commentaries also supported my view that Christ is equal with God
Pulpit Commentary
“to be equal with God.” Christ was equal with God (John 5:18; John 10:30). He did not cling to the outward manifestation of that equality.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is;even the jews know that Christ claimed to be equal with God
John 5:18
New International Version (NIV)18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
jammin,“Did NOT consider equality with God something TO BE GRASPED” means that Jesus DIDN'T even CONSIDER being equal to his and our God, Jehovah. In other words, Jesus never gave one thought to the possibility that he could be equal to God. He knew equality with God was IMPOSSIBLE, so he never even CONSIDERED it.
As for your commentaries, like I said before: Even IF someone says Jesus is “equal TO God”, they are at the same time saying Jesus is NOT God.
Don't you understand this? If you are “equal TO” the Creator of the universe”, then it means you AREN'T “the Creator of the universe”.
If I am “equal TO” Bob Marley, then it is clear that I am NOT “Bob Marley”.
Do you understand that? So any scholar who tells you that Jesus was “equal TO” God, is also, with those very words, telling you that Jesus ISN'T God.
you speak english but you do not understand english. i told you to take ielts. it will help you a lot.the jews will never tell “making himself equal with God.“
if Christ did not mean that.phil 2.6-7 tells us that he is really equal with God. bible versions and commentaries agree to me.
this only tells us that your reading skill is very poor.mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Pharaoh also shared all he had with his servant, Joseph. He put Joseph in control of his entire kingdom, right?
Yet Joseph never “assimilated into” Pharaoh, and Jesus never “assimilated into” God.
Mike,
FIRST OF ALL JESUS INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT ASSIMILATED!
YOUR OLD SONG AGAIN!
YOU ARE LOST AGAIN THE PHARAOH DIDN'T SHARE ALL HE HAD WITH JOSEPH!
HIS WIFE AND SO ON HE DIDN'T!WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR MIND THAT GOD CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH FILTHY MORTALS!
THE FATHER GAVE ALL MIKE, OK? ALL TO JESUS AND HE STILL OWNS ALL WHAT HE OWNED
OTHERWISE HE IS NO GOD ALMIGHTY AT ALL!
NOW:
DID THE PHARAOH ABIDED IN JOSEPH?
THE FATHER DID ABIDE, AND STILL ABIDES IN HIS SON!
DID JOSEPH ABIDED IN THE PHARAOH?
JESUS DID ABIDE, AND STILL ABIDES IN THE FATHER!
IS THE PHARAOH GOD? NO!
IS JOSEPH OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST? NO!
THE LIST IS ENDLESS!
SO YOUR STATEMENT IS NONSENSE!
NOW JOSEPH WAS ONLY IN CONTROL OF ALL THE ENTIRE KINGDOM OF THE PHARAOH
BUT JESUS WAS NOT JUST IN CONTROL OF ALL THE ENTIRE OF GOD’S CREATION BUT ALSO:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST SHARED WITH THE FATHER!
NOW READ SOME MORE UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES WHICH ONLY JESUS HAS RIGHT NOW!
JOSEPH DID'T INHERITED ALL PHARAOH'S ENTIRE KINGDOM! HE WAS ONLY IN CONTROL!
BUT JESUS INHERITED ALL GOD'S ATTRIBUTES! APART GOD’S KINGDOM!
I BET YOU KNOW WHAT DOES INHERITED MEAN?
SHALL I DEFINE SOMETHING WHICH YOU SHOULD BE AN EXPERT ABOUT?
SO ONCE JESUS INHERITED ALL GOD'S ATTRIBUTES, THEY BELONG TO HIM ETERNALLY, SINCE GOD'S ATTRIBUTES ARE ETERNAL! OK!
Quote ALL MINE ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE CAN YOU SEE THIS SHARING MIKE? Yes, I can see it, Charles.
GOOD! SO READ YOUR MUMBO JUMBO:
Quote God shares His own glory with no one. THEN YOU ADMITTED AND SAID:
Quote The Father shares the things He has always had with His favorite servant/son, Jesus the anointed of God. SO WHEN WE MAKE A ROUND UP OF ALL WHAT WE DISCUSSED, YOU COMMITTED YOURSELF AND ACCEPTED ALL WHICH PREVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T!
SO SINCE JESUS SHARES ALL WITH WHAT THE FATHER HAS! AND THE FATHER SHARES ALL WITH WHAT JESUS HAS!
HE AND HIS FATHER SHARES AND ARE GLORIFIED WITH ONE SAME GLORY
AND ALL TITLES WHICH BELONG TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD ARE ALSO JESUS’, SINCE HE INHERITED ALL!
AND NOW GOD THE FATHER WHO IS SERVING JESUS TILL HE MAKES JESUS’ ENEMIES HIS FOOTSTOOL!
AS SCRIPTURE SAYS:
And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first.
SO THE FATHER PARTICULARLY WAS FIRST AND HE WOULD BE ALL IN ALL LAST, AND THE SON WAS PARTICULARLY LAST AND HE IS FIRST RIGHT NOW! OVER ALL RULER OF CREATION!
John 14:23……………….my Father will love him,
AND WE WILL COME TO HIM, AND WE WILL MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
NOTICE THE ABOVE :
NOT THE FATHER ON HIS OWN, NOT JESUS ON HIS OWN,
BUT BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON MAKE THEIR ABODE IN US!
CAN YOU IMAGINE BOTH THE PHARAOH AND JOSEPH ABIDE IN SOMEONE'S BODY MIKE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Cahrles
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote God sent His only begotten Son to earth as a sacrificial lamb that GOD offered up on our behalf. Mike,
NOT GOD SENT HIS SON ONLY!
BUT WHAT GOD'S SON IS NOW!
WHAT JESUS WAS IS OVER AND DONE WITH!
JESUS IS GOD AS GOD ALMIGHTY IS!
JESUS IS:
ALL WHAT GOD ALMIGHTY IS! FOR ETERNITY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ May 20 2014,20:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,12:58) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2014,10:45) if christ is not equal with God then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. do you understand the logic here? commentaries also supported my view that Christ is equal with God
Pulpit Commentary
“to be equal with God.” Christ was equal with God (John 5:18; John 10:30). He did not cling to the outward manifestation of that equality.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is;even the jews know that Christ claimed to be equal with God
John 5:18
New International Version (NIV)18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
jammin,“Did NOT consider equality with God something TO BE GRASPED” means that Jesus DIDN'T even CONSIDER being equal to his and our God, Jehovah. In other words, Jesus never gave one thought to the possibility that he could be equal to God. He knew equality with God was IMPOSSIBLE, so he never even CONSIDERED it.
As for your commentaries, like I said before: Even IF someone says Jesus is “equal TO God”, they are at the same time saying Jesus is NOT God.
Don't you understand this? If you are “equal TO” the Creator of the universe”, then it means you AREN'T “the Creator of the universe”.
If I am “equal TO” Bob Marley, then it is clear that I am NOT “Bob Marley”.
Do you understand that? So any scholar who tells you that Jesus was “equal TO” God, is also, with those very words, telling you that Jesus ISN'T God.
you speak english but you do not understand english. i told you to take ielts. it will help you a lot.the jews will never tell “making himself equal with God.“
if Christ did not mean that.phil 2.6-7 tells us that he is really equal with God. bible versions and commentaries agree to me.
this only tells us that your reading skill is very poor.
Jammin,You are imagining things or mishearing. Jesus did not see equality with God as plunder(spoils). Many English translation soften it though the more recent edition of the NIV seems to go even further.
Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2014,01:58) Quote (jammin @ May 20 2014,20:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,12:58) Quote (jammin @ May 16 2014,10:45) if christ is not equal with God then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. do you understand the logic here? commentaries also supported my view that Christ is equal with God
Pulpit Commentary
“to be equal with God.” Christ was equal with God (John 5:18; John 10:30). He did not cling to the outward manifestation of that equality.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is;even the jews know that Christ claimed to be equal with God
John 5:18
New International Version (NIV)18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
jammin,“Did NOT consider equality with God something TO BE GRASPED” means that Jesus DIDN'T even CONSIDER being equal to his and our God, Jehovah. In other words, Jesus never gave one thought to the possibility that he could be equal to God. He knew equality with God was IMPOSSIBLE, so he never even CONSIDERED it.
As for your commentaries, like I said before: Even IF someone says Jesus is “equal TO God”, they are at the same time saying Jesus is NOT God.
Don't you understand this? If you are “equal TO” the Creator of the universe”, then it means you AREN'T “the Creator of the universe”.
If I am “equal TO” Bob Marley, then it is clear that I am NOT “Bob Marley”.
Do you understand that? So any scholar who tells you that Jesus was “equal TO” God, is also, with those very words, telling you that Jesus ISN'T God.
you speak english but you do not understand english. i told you to take ielts. it will help you a lot.the jews will never tell “making himself equal with God.“
if Christ did not mean that.phil 2.6-7 tells us that he is really equal with God. bible versions and commentaries agree to me.
this only tells us that your reading skill is very poor.
Jammin,You are imagining things or mishearing. Jesus did not see equality with God as plunder(spoils). Many English translation soften it though the more recent edition of the NIV seems to go even further.
Jammini think Kerwin is right on this one ,Satan did take a view to be equal to his God ,and so make himself a god ;the god of this world,
what under any condition did Jesus not do this on the contrary he humble himself to the point of dead ,
Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2014,21:00) Galatians 5:16-26 gives the lesson about those who live by the flesh not entering the kingdom of heaven.
Galatians 5
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.
So much for your invention of “spiritual flesh”, huh?
Quote (jammin @ May 20 2014,08:24) the jews will never tell “making himself equal with God.”
if Christ did not mean that.phil 2.6-7 tells us that he is really equal with God.
jammin,Listen a little more closely:
It wouldn't matter if there were 1000 scriptures saying Jesus was “equal to God”. If someone can be “equal to God”, or “equal with God”, then that person can't actually BE God.
Once again………
If jammin is EQUAL TO Bob Marley, then there is no possible way jammin can also BE Bob Marley.
Do you seriously not understand this kindergarten-level idea?
Quote (carmel @ May 20 2014,13:07) Mike, FIRST OF ALL JESUS INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT ASSIMILATED!
Charles,When the very first sentence of your post consists of such unscriptural nonsense, I don't even bother to read any further.
Quote (carmel @ May 20 2014,13:13) JESUS IS GOD AS GOD ALMIGHTY IS!
Acts 4:27
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.This part speaks of Jesus being God's anointed holy servant while Jesus was on earth……… before he was crucified.
Acts 4:30
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.And the way they ended their prayer TO GOD shows us that even after Jesus was exalted to the right hand of his and our God, Jehovah, Jesus REMAINS God's holy servant.
See Charles? Jesus didn't “become” God Almighty. Jesus is still the servant of God Almighty – and sits at the right hand of his and our God, Jehovah, in heaven right now.
Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2014,16:29) i think Kerwin is right on this one ,Satan did take a view to be equal to his God…………..
Speaking of Satan, let's ask him if Jesus is “God Almighty”.Surely Satan, who has met in person with his God on numerous occasions, knows WHO his God is, right?
So then the question becomes: Did Satan think Jesus was his God? Or is it clear from scriptures that Satan (and his demons) knew that Jesus was the Son OF his God?
Which one, jammin? Did Satan believe Jesus to be “God”? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2014,14:25) Quote (jammin @ May 20 2014,08:24) the jews will never tell “making himself equal with God.”
if Christ did not mean that.phil 2.6-7 tells us that he is really equal with God.
jammin,Listen a little more closely:
It wouldn't matter if there were 1000 scriptures saying Jesus was “equal to God”. If someone can be “equal to God”, or “equal with God”, then that person can't actually BE God.
Once again………
If jammin is EQUAL TO Bob Marley, then there is no possible way jammin can also BE Bob Marley.
Do you seriously not understand this kindergarten-level idea?
being equal to bob marley does mean that I AM BOB MARLEY. do you understand english?
hahahaof course im not bob marley but we are equal in essence.
as i said, you speak english but you DO NOT understand english.
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