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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,12:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !
Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
So then you CAN'T point to one single thing I preach that ISN'T “based on the word of God”?That makes your accusation against me false, and baseless.
Repent.
Milke,I point to many but you do not agree with me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,01:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,22:31) Wakeup, John is saying that believers should have confidence they will be like Jesus because the will see him as he is at that time. It sounds like the very sight of Jesus will transform them.
Many commentators also understand it that way, Kerwin. They think that the action of seeing Jesus as he is is what will transform them into being as he is.I don't hold that opinion myself.
But since you do, the fact that those people WEREN'T transformed at all, when Jesus was on earth for that 40 days, should be enough to tell you that those people HADN'T YET “seen him as he is”.
Agreed?
Mike,I did not say I held that opinion because too many times I have found that looks can be deceiving. I think that all humans will be changed when Jesus appears a second time, and if a human happens to be dead then they will arise at that time.
Revelations speaks of two resurrections and that altars what I believe on the subject so that I believe all the living and the righteous dead will be changed but the wicked dead will remain dead until after the Messianic age.
Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,04:59) Jammin, As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast but my hope is to be be a son of God in which I will exist in the form/nature of God. In this hope I seek to purify myself even as he is pure.
you do not exist in the form of HUMAN? are you an animal?if you do exist in the form you HUMAN, are you not HUMAN?
what is the form of your father? does he exist in the form of HUMAN? yes or no? if yes, do you believe that you and your father have the same form, HUMAN?
Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,05:05) Jammin, Do you understand this verse?
John 14:9
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
yes. the meaning of the verse is that HE IS THE EXACT IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:what about you? do you understand john 1.1 that Christ was the Word and he was God?
i know you dont because you have your own doctrine.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Yes. Just like he and Peter were both in the state of a man when they walked on water.
The fact that God can cause Jesus to enter a locked room doesn't prove he wasn't a man at that time, Charles. God has caused many men in scripture to do things men can't normally do.
Mike,
IT IS SIMPLY IRRELEVANT WHAT KIND OF SUPERNATURAL POWER JESUS HAD!
THE FACT THAT JESUS NEVER CAME THROUGH WALLS IN THE FIRST PLACE AT THE TOMB, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS JUST A MAN,
IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT SINCE HE DID ENTER, HE HAD SUPERNATURAL POWER AND HE ENTERED AS A SPIRIT, THEN HE RETURNED IN HIS HUMAN STATE!
NOT REMAINED IN HIS FLESH BODY AND ETERRED THROUGH THE WALLS!
NOW AS YOU KNOW THE HOLY GHOST IS AN ATTRIBUTE TO GOD ALMIGHTY!
ONLY HE SUPPLIES THE HOLY GHOST!
THE FACT THAT JESUS SAID TO HIS APOSTLES:
…………..: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. OBVIOUS FROM HIS HUMAN SIDE POINT OF VIEW, SINCE HE WAS STILL ON EARTH!
AND IN JOHN 14:16 HE SAID:
And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.
ISN'T IT A PROOF ENOUGH THAT JESUS WAS IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER? AND HE HAD ALSO THE FACULTY TO SUPPLY HIS OWN PARTICULAR HOLY GHOST! SINCE HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY GHOST?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,19:34) Quote (carmel @ May 12 2014,08:19)
WHY GOD DIDN'T DO IT ALSO WHEN JESUS RESURRECTED, BUT INSTEAD HE SEND AN ANGEL TO SHIFT THE STONE?
Carmel.Good question.
The answer is because all that has to be written down for us.
If the stones stayed closed and locked; then Mary and others would not have experienced what they saw.
Therefore not written down.
The broken chain lock is evidence.
The stone door open,is evidence.
The cloth left inside is evidence.
The body missing is evidence,for us also.wakeup.
Good answer, Wakeup. I hadn't thought of that.Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,20:31) Milke, I point to many but you do not agree with me.
I'm only asking for ONE, Kerwin. Point to ONE of them right now. Show me where my understanding is NOT “based on the word of God”.Either that, or admit that you meant, “Mike's understanding is not based on MY PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF the word of God.”
I let a lot of things go on this site, Kerwin. I mean, just count the number of times jammin called me a moron in the last week or two.
But when someone calls me out by making a false accusation against me, that person needs to answer for it. In jammin's case, he has every right to his opinion that I'm a moron. That kind of accusation is subjective, and doesn't require any proof.
But you need to either PROVE that what you said is true – or retract what you said.
You know I can be stubborn in situations like this, because you've been privy to the discussion David and I have been having in the Slavery thread, right?
Do the right thing, Kerwin.
Quote (carmel @ May 12 2014,13:23) ISN'T IT A PROOF ENOUGH THAT JESUS WAS IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER?
Proof of what, Charles?God shares His own glory with no one. But God has indeed exalted His holy servant Jesus Christ above his companions.
Jesus' own Father and God has given Jesus all things – to the point that Jesus can say, “What's His is mine, and what's mine is His.”
It still doesn't make Jesus the God who gave him all those things, right?
Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:44) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,04:59) Jammin, As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast but my hope is to be be a son of God in which I will exist in the form/nature of God. In this hope I seek to purify myself even as he is pure.
you do not exist in the form of HUMAN? are you an animal?if you do exist in the form you HUMAN, are you not HUMAN?
what is the form of your father? does he exist in the form of HUMAN? yes or no? if yes, do you believe that you and your father have the same form, HUMAN?
Jammin,I am a beast in nature as I yet fall of God's glory. My hope is to be God in nature and therefore not fall short of his glory. Perhaps one day you will come understand my words.
Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,05:05) Jammin, Do you understand this verse?
John 14:9
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
yes. the meaning of the verse is that HE IS THE EXACT IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:what about you? do you understand john 1.1 that Christ was the Word and he was God?
i know you dont because you have your own doctrine.
Jammin,Gill is using many vague terms and his meaning is open to interpretation. More than likely there is more context in his further words than the few you supplied.
I very much doubt that Gill believed that Jesus' outward appearance was the same as God's. God is revealed in Jesus' words and actions just as Jesus is seen in those believers that are mature. In this was the nature of God is revealed in those that believe.
Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,10:45) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,05:05) Jammin, Do you understand this verse?
John 14:9
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
yes. the meaning of the verse is that HE IS THE EXACT IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:what about you? do you understand john 1.1 that Christ was the Word and he was God?
i know you dont because you have your own doctrine.
Jammin,Gill is using many vague terms and his meaning is open to interpretation. More than likely there is more context in his further words than the few you supplied.
I very much doubt that Gill believed that Jesus' outward appearance was the same as God's. God is revealed in Jesus' words and actions just as Jesus is seen in those believers that are mature. In this was the nature of God is revealed in those that believe.
gill is a bible scholar.In 1748, Gill was awarded the honorary degree of Doctor of Divinity by the University of Aberdeen. He was a profound scholar and a prolific author. His most important works are:
The Doctrine of the Trinity Stated and Vindicated (London, 1731)
The Cause of God and Truth (4 parts, 1735–8), a retort to Daniel Whitby's Five Points
An Exposition of the New Testament (3 vols., 1746–8), which with his Exposition of the Old Testament (6 vols., 1748–63) forms his magnum opus
A Collection of Sermons and Tracts[1]
A Dissertation Concerning the Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowel-Points, and Accents (1767)[1]
A Body of Doctrinal Divinity (1767)
A Body of Practical Divinity (1770).what about you kerwin? you are nothing. you have nothing to offer just like the other false teachers here.
you offer stories and fairy tale doctrine but cant be read in the bible.you are a clown. hahaha
Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,10:40) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:44) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,04:59) Jammin, As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast but my hope is to be be a son of God in which I will exist in the form/nature of God. In this hope I seek to purify myself even as he is pure.
you do not exist in the form of HUMAN? are you an animal?if you do exist in the form you HUMAN, are you not HUMAN?
what is the form of your father? does he exist in the form of HUMAN? yes or no? if yes, do you believe that you and your father have the same form, HUMAN?
Jammin,I am a beast in nature as I yet fall of God's glory. My hope is to be God in nature and therefore not fall short of his glory. Perhaps one day you will come understand my words.
so you are not HUMAN? is that what are you trying to say?you need psychiatrist. hahahah
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2014,15:51) Hi Jammin,
Do you exist in the form of an answerphone message?
i exist in the form of hUMAN. i am HUMAN just like my father.and you???are you an animal? what is your form or nature?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 13 2014,05:16) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,20:31) Milke, I point to many but you do not agree with me.
I'm only asking for ONE, Kerwin. Point to ONE of them right now. Show me where my understanding is NOT “based on the word of God”.Either that, or admit that you meant, “Mike's understanding is not based on MY PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF the word of God.”
I let a lot of things go on this site, Kerwin. I mean, just count the number of times jammin called me a moron in the last week or two.
But when someone calls me out by making a false accusation against me, that person needs to answer for it. In jammin's case, he has every right to his opinion that I'm a moron. That kind of accusation is subjective, and doesn't require any proof.
But you need to either PROVE that what you said is true – or retract what you said.
You know I can be stubborn in situations like this, because you've been privy to the discussion David and I have been having in the Slavery thread, right?
Do the right thing, Kerwin.
Mike,You would have to agree with that one and if you did we would not disagree on it.
Unless you have changed your opinion 1 Corinthians 15:50 is a good example.
Weymouth New Testament
But this I tell you, brethren: our mortal bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, nor will what is perishable inherit what is imperishable.International Standard Version
Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.Both of these expert witnesses state mortal bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God and yet you toss them out as true translations because they do not fit your idea of what 1 Corinthians 15:50 means. You present no evidence to disprove them but they do not agree with the doctrine you have chosen to embrace.
NET Bible
Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.You want this verse to be speaking of the present heaven and so you fix it in your mind that it does even though it is talking about inheriting the new earth and/or the new heaven.
You want it to mean enter when instead it states inherit.
You want it to mean only spirit bodies when it at most states bodies composed of both flesh and blood cannot inherit the world to come.
You want it to mean all flesh so you say it means flesh and bone bodies when it does not state nor are they included in the words flesh and blood; especially if you take the later literally.
In short 1 Corinthians does not say or mean what you have insisted it does and yet you refuse to admit it.
Quote (jammin @ May 13 2014,05:54) Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,10:45) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,05:05) Jammin, Do you understand this verse?
John 14:9
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
yes. the meaning of the verse is that HE IS THE EXACT IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
hath seen the Father; the perfections which are in him also; for the same that are in me are in him, and the same that are in him are in me: I am the very image of him, and am possessed of the same nature, attributes, and glory, that he is; so that he that sees the one, sees the other:what about you? do you understand john 1.1 that Christ was the Word and he was God?
i know you dont because you have your own doctrine.
Jammin,Gill is using many vague terms and his meaning is open to interpretation. More than likely there is more context in his further words than the few you supplied.
I very much doubt that Gill believed that Jesus' outward appearance was the same as God's. God is revealed in Jesus' words and actions just as Jesus is seen in those believers that are mature. In this was the nature of God is revealed in those that believe.
gill is a bible scholar.In 1748, Gill was awarded the honorary degree of Doctor of Divinity by the University of Aberdeen. He was a profound scholar and a prolific author. His most important works are:
The Doctrine of the Trinity Stated and Vindicated (London, 1731)
The Cause of God and Truth (4 parts, 1735–8), a retort to Daniel Whitby's Five Points
An Exposition of the New Testament (3 vols., 1746–8), which with his Exposition of the Old Testament (6 vols., 1748–63) forms his magnum opus
A Collection of Sermons and Tracts[1]
A Dissertation Concerning the Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowel-Points, and Accents (1767)[1]
A Body of Doctrinal Divinity (1767)
A Body of Practical Divinity (1770).what about you kerwin? you are nothing. you have nothing to offer just like the other false teachers here.
you offer stories and fairy tale doctrine but cant be read in the bible.you are a clown. hahaha
Jammin,What is knowledge without the Spirit?
Since Gill is so knowledgeable then perhaps he should be more clear. Of course he might be if I read more of what he is saying.
Jesus is the exact image of God because he does what he sees God doing and says what he sees God say. It is not about physical appearance or being the same kind as God.
Quote (jammin @ May 13 2014,05:55) Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2014,10:40) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2014,10:44) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,04:59) Jammin, As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast but my hope is to be be a son of God in which I will exist in the form/nature of God. In this hope I seek to purify myself even as he is pure.
you do not exist in the form of HUMAN? are you an animal?if you do exist in the form you HUMAN, are you not HUMAN?
what is the form of your father? does he exist in the form of HUMAN? yes or no? if yes, do you believe that you and your father have the same form, HUMAN?
Jammin,I am a beast in nature as I yet fall of God's glory. My hope is to be God in nature and therefore not fall short of his glory. Perhaps one day you will come understand my words.
so you are not HUMAN? is that what are you trying to say?you need psychiatrist. hahahah
Jammin,I said what I said.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote God shares His own glory with no one. God has given Jesus all things – to the point that Jesus can say,
“What's His is mine, and what's mine is His.”
Mike,
I SAID
JESUS WAS IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER?
WHICH MEANS THAT JESUS ACQUIRED ALL THE FATHER'S ATTRIBUTES!
WHICH YOU ALSO CONFIRMED THAT JESUS OWNS ALL WHAT THE FATHER HAS, AND THE FATHER OWNS ALL WHAT JESUS HAS!
AND TO YOU THAT STATEMENT IS NOT EQUIVALENT AS SHARING!
AND HOW IT IS!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IF GOD GAVE ALL HIS THINGS TO JESUS IN A WAY THAT HE BECAME EMPTY HANDED,
THAT WOULD MEAN, THAT GOD PART EXCHANGED HIS THINGS WITH JESUS'
BUT SINCE HE GAVE ALL HIS THINGS, AND STILL OWNS WHAT HE OWNED, IT IS DEFINITELY SHARING! NO?
SO YOU BETTER DEFINE WHAT YOUR INTELLIGENCE ESTABLISHED WITHIN YOUR BRAINS,
NOW IN JOHN 13:32 HE SAID:
If God be glorified in him, God also will
GLORIFY HIM IN HIMSELF;
and immediately will he glorify him.
IN HIMSELF MIKE!
OK? JESUS WAS IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, WHEN HE ENTERED THOSE WALLS! MR………………….
NOT AS YOU SAID GOD MADE JESUS ENTER THOSE WALLS IN THE HUMAN STATE! BUT IT WAS HIS OWN SUPERNATURAL STATE WHICH YOU ALSO CONFIRMED AND SAID THAT HE GAVE HIM ALL THINGS
SO IF IT WAS GIVEN IT BELONGS TO HIM! ETERNALLY!
IN JOHN 17 HE SAID:
…………….glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
OK? JESUS ASKED THE FATHER:
GLORIFY ME!
AND I WILL GLORIFY YOU IN RETURN!
NOW WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT! MR……………….
PART EXCHANGE OR SHARING!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote You have a right to your own understanding as well. Mike,
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WERE TO PROOF OTHERWISE WITH SCRIPTURES!
SO WHAT CONVINCED YOU SO MUCH THAT MADE YOU BELIEVE THAT HE NEVER HAD HIS SPIRITUAL BODY WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH?
MIKE, REFLECT!
WOULD IT HAVE BEEN A GLORY,FOR JESUS, AND GOD ALMIGHTY,
IF HE DIDN'T WALK ON EARTH AND MANIFESTED HIS AND THE UNIQUE HIGHEST SPIRITUAL STATE ON HIS ENEMIES' PLANET?
IT WAS THE PINNACLE POINT OF GOD'S SUCCESS OF HIS INCARNATION
IT WAS EITHER GOD OR SATANA!
ON SATANA'S OWN GROUND, AND PRINCIPALS
WHO OWNS ETERNALLY THE FLESH BODY!
AND JESUS' MASSACRED HIS, SIMPLY TO GLORIFY IT! AND GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL HUMANS!
AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SATANA'S
Luke 8:18 …………..For whosoever hath, to him shall be given: and whosoever hath not, that also which he thinketh he hath, shall be taken away from him.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A FARCE NOT A VICTORY FOR GOD ALMIGHTY! NEVER MIND CALL IT A GLORY!
Jeremiah 32:Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall any thing be hard for me?
SIMPLY READING THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IS ENOUGH TO CONVINCE YOU THAT JESUS WALKED ON EARTH AND MANIFESTED HIS DEITY, IN FULL!
WHEN SATANA ACHIEVES HIS IT WOULD ONLY MEAN
THE END OF HIMJob 20:20 And yet his belly was not filled: and when he hath the things he coveted,
HE SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO POSSESS THEM!
MIKE JESUS APPEARED TO 500 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME!
SO JESUS WAS IN HIS UNIQUE SUPERNATURAL STATE, AND HE MANIFESTED BOTH HIS SPIRITUAL AND FLESH STATE, DURING THOSE FORTY DAYS HE WAS ON EARTH!
I POSTED A PARTICULAR POST WHICH IF YOU WERE REALLY A BIT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH,YOU WOULD HAVE GIVEN AN ANSWER TO IT!
I POSTED AND SHOWED YOU THE DIFFERENCES IN THE NARRATIONS OF THE EVENT OF JESUS' RESURRECTION, WHICH THEY ARE NOT ERRORS, BUT A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS MANIFESTED HIS TWO DIFFERENT STATES, HIS TWO NATURES, THE SON OF GOD, AND THE SON OF MAN
ARE YOU INTERESTED TO ANALYZE WHAT I POSTED FOR GOD'S TRUTH SAKE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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