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MIKE,
NOW REFLECT ON THESE DIFFERENT NARRATIONS:
Matthew 28:1 AND in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week,
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary,
to see the sepulchre.
8 And they went out quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy, running to tell his disciples. 9And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up andTOOK HOLD OF HIS FEET, AND ADORED HIM
MIKE IN THE ABOVE, MARY MAGDALENE AND THE OTHER MARY, LATE ON THE SABATH DAY, JUST BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK,
HELD JESUS' FEET, AND JESUS NEVER PREVENTED THIS, IN ANY WAY
AND THE WOMAN NEVER WENT TO ANOINT JESUS, THEY SIMPLY WENT TO SEE THE TOMB! OBVIOUS! SINCE THE TOMB WAS SEALED AND GUARDED!
UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME!
NOW WHEN WE READ JOHN'S VERSION, MARY MAGDALENE WENT ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, SO AT LEAST AN HOUR AFTER THE EVENT IN MATTHEW!
SINCE SHE WENT BACK AND FORTH TWICE,
AND JESUS PREVENTED MARY FROM TOUCHING HIM!
SO WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT ACCORDING TO MATTHEW, LATE ON THE SABATH JESUS ALLOWED MAGDALENE TO HOLD HIS FEET,
AND AT LEAST AN HOUR LATER, OBVIOUS SINCE SHE WAS ALREADY HAD TOUCHED HIM,
HE DID NOT ALLOW HER TO DO SO?
ALSO ACCORDING TO MARK MAGDALENE, AND THREE OTHER WOMEN WENT
ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK WHEN THE SUN WAS RISEN,
SO AT LEAST TWO HOURS AFTER JESUS RESURRECTED,
AND CARRIED SPICES AND SO ON, TO ANOINT JESUS, WHICH IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT AT LEAST MAGDALENE AND THE OTHER MARY,MET HIM TWICE ALREADY
SO THEY WENT TO DO SO ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED!
NOW MIKE WHAT WOULD BE YOUR UNDERSTANDING SINCE IT SEEMED THAT THERE WAS NO CONSISTENCY?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,04:21) Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,01:35) WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS. The apostles did not see him as he really is.
So his appearing to the apostle can not be used as proof that he is flesh; because that is not what he is.
That is correct, Wakeup.But I would change your last line to:
So his appearing to the apostles can not be used as proof that he is STILL flesh; because that is not what he is ANYMORE.
That makes it more accurate.
Mike B.Thank you.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !
Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
Kerwin.Can you please explain this scripture?
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear,
**we shall be like him;
** for we shall see him as he is**.Is that saying that they(apostles) have seen Him as HE is?
Y/N?
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,00:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
KerwinQuote Mike, I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
that is a cheap way to pull you out of absolutely nothing ,
Mike is right ,what ever he preach can be supported in scriptures so is what t8 and myself, and i am sure we all look over each other to make sure it stay that way ,because if it would change our preaching would be a vain preaching that does not save life nor our own .
Kerwin
challenge what you think is untrue to you ,but do it with scriptures not opinions ;told you before God does not care for our opinions but his true words he does it is his glory
so if you cannot use the truth of God do not say anything ,
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,03:15) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
Kerwin.Can you please explain this scripture?
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear,
**we shall be like him;
** for we shall see him as he is**.Is that saying that they(apostles) have seen Him as HE is?
Y/N?
wakeup.
Wakeup,John is saying that believers should have confidence they will be like Jesus because the will see him as he is at that time. It sounds like the very sight of Jesus will transform them.
T,
In this case I am stating my opinion. I assume Mike has a similar opinion about what I believe.
God knows the truth and we seek to learn it.
It is our job to watch our own doctrine and life to see that it is indeed truth and our beliefs are not influenced by the sinful nature.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote an “assimilation from Son to Father”……. and a whole bunch of other unscriptural garbage. Mike,
ASSIMILATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTEGRATION
JESUS AS ONE HUMAN BEING, HAD TWO NATURES
ONE FULLY GOD AND FULLY MAN !
THESE TWO NATURES WERE SEPARATED ON HIS DEATH!
HIS FLESH BODY WAS IN THE TOMB, AND THE HIS SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT, WAS IN HELL!
AFTER HE RESURRECTED AS MAN, AT A LATER STAGE, HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT!
NOW ANSWER:
SINCE JESUS REQUIRED THE ANGELS, TO OPEN THE TOMB FOR HIM, THEREFORE IT IS ENOUGH PROOF,AND YOU ALSO AGREED THAT HE WAS A MAN WHEN HE RESURRECTED!
OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE CAME OUT THROUGH WALLS! NO?
WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 11 2014,18:01) mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote an “assimilation from Son to Father”……. and a whole bunch of other unscriptural garbage. Mike,
ASSIMILATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTEGRATION
JESUS AS ONE HUMAN BEING, HAD TWO NATURES
ONE FULLY GOD AND FULLY MAN !
THESE TWO NATURES WERE SEPARATED ON HIS DEATH!
HIS FLESH BODY WAS IN THE TOMB, AND THE HIS SOUL, FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT, WAS IN HELL!
AFTER HE RESURRECTED AS MAN, AT A LATER STAGE, HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL FORMERLY THE HOLY SPIRIT!
NOW ANSWER:
SINCE JESUS REQUIRED THE ANGELS, TO OPEN THE TOMB FOR HIM, THEREFORE IT IS ENOUGH PROOF,AND YOU ALSO AGREED THAT HE WAS A MAN WHEN HE RESURRECTED!
OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE CAME OUT THROUGH WALLS! NO?
WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.You are teaching what you imagin it to be. Good try but,
it does not fit with scriptures,and I like you to explain why.John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
ANOTHER COMFORTER WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
QIESTION: WHY WAS JESUS ON EARTH, AND HIS SOUL (AS YOU SAY) IS WITH THE FATHERJohn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
wakeup.
Wakeup,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote QIESTION: WHY WAS JESUS ON EARTH, AND HIS SOUL (AS YOU SAY) IS WITH THE FATHER Wakeup,
WHERE I STATED THE ABOVE STATEMENT?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote and I am natural just as a beast is and God created me natural when he created me a living soul. Kerwin,
NOT QUITE CORRECT!
ADAM WAS MADE OUT OF SLIME, MUD TWO ELEMENTS,
DUST MATTERAND WATER SPIRIT
FROM THE PLANET EARTH WHICH WAS CREATED VERY GOOD!
AFTERWARDS GOD GAVE HIM HIS SPIRIT, AND BECAME
THE FIRST LIVING SOUL
THE SOUL IS A SPRIIT ENTITY! EVEN IF IT HAD A KIND OF FLESH! OF WHICH I AM SURE OF! SINCE ADAM WAS NOT CREATED MORTAL!
SO NOT OF FLESH AND BLOOD YET! FROMWHERE HE WAS CREATED!
THE FACT THAT GOD TOOK HIM INTO THE GARDEN IS ENOUGH PROOF THAT HE WAS IN A HIGHER STATE THAN THE ENVIROMENT HE WAS CREATED WITH! AND IN! GOD’S WORK IS ALWAYS FOR ENRICHMENT!
THE FACT ALSO THAT AFTER HE SINNED, HE WAS THROWN OUT FROM GOD'S ETERNAL HOLY LIFE IN THE GARDEN,AND WAS CURSED, AND THROUGH HIS WORK HE ALSO CURSED THE WORLD, IT IS ALSO A PROOF THAT NATURE WAS IN A HIGHER STATE THEN ADAM WAS AFTER HE SINNED!
SO NATURE WAS ALWAYS VERY GOOD! BOTH WHEN ADAM WAS CREATED, AND WHEN ADAM WAS THROWN BACK INTO IT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup,May wrote:.
Quote ANOTHER COMFORTER WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. Wakeup,
ANSWER!
WHY DID JESUS CALL HIM COMFORTER NOT JUST THE HOLY SPIRIT?
WHY DID JESUS FELT THAT HE SHOULD GIVE HIM A TITLE, APART THAT HE WAS THE HOLY GHOST?
WHAT DOES THE TITLE CORRESPONDS TO ?
Quote John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. NOW ALSO:
WHY DID JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAID:
WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME
AND ALSO SPECIFY HIS ROLE?
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HOLY GHOST IS NOT RELATED TO THE FATHER! BUT RELATED TO JESUS CHRIST!
HE IS NOT TO SUPPLY THINGS WHICH BELONG TO THE FATHER, BUT THINGS WHICH BELONG TO JESUS CHRIST!
NEVERTHELESS THE FATHER WOULD SEND HIM! NOT JESUS CHRIST
ALSO REFLECT THAT JESUS NEVER IN THIS CASE STATED MY FATHER BUT THE FATHER, SO IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT JESUS COULD HAVE ALSO REFERRED TO HIMSELF SINCE HE ALSO EVENTUALLY WOULD BE IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER,
WHICH MEANS THAT HE ALSO IS OUR FATHER FROM THE HUMAN SIDE POINT OF VIEW! ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT HE WAS SENT!
JESUS CHRIST IS OUR EVERLASTING FATHER OF THE NEW TESTAMENT!
HE ACCOMPLISHED IT, AND PERFECTED IT
IT IS THROUGH HIM THAT WE ACQUIRED THE ETERNAL LIFE!
THROUGHOUT JOHN 14, JESUS WAS ALL THE TIME IMPLYING THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE APPLICATION OF THE TITLES, MY FATHER AND THE FATHER
OBVIOUS, ONLY HE WAS IN HIS FATHER'S BOSOM, SO HIS RELATION TO ALMIGHTY GOD IS UNIQUE!
WHILE IN THE SAME WAY, OUR RELATION TO JESUS IS ALSO UNIQUE, SINCE ONLY THROUGH HIM WE WOULD ACQUIRE A KIND OF RELATION TO GOD ALMIGHTY! BUT NEVER DIRECTLY!
THAT BELONGS ONLY TO JESUS
SO THE TITLE MY FATHER IS FOR SURE A REFERENCE TO GOD ALMIGHTY!
FROM THE OTHER HAND, THE TITLE THE FATHER IS MORE A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST!
HE HAD FLESH AND BLOOD LIKE ALL HUMANS!
HE DIED IN HIS FLESH AND BLOOD FOR ALL HUMANS!
HE BEFORE HIS DEATH DECLARED THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A BROTHER TO US!
OBVIOUS, HE DIED AS A BROTHER TO US, BUT HE GLORIFIED AS A FATHER AND GOD TO US!
John 19:26 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother:
WOMAN,
NOT MOTHER SO HE IS NOT HER SON!
BEHOLD YOUR SON
JOHN IS HER SON,
SO IF HE IS NOT HER SON ,HE IS ALSO NOT A BROTHER TO JOHN! THE CHURCH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,12:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
So then you CAN'T point to one single thing I preach that ISN'T “based on the word of God”?That makes your accusation against me false, and baseless.
Repent.
Quote (carmel @ May 10 2014,14:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,04:26) He only had that body for the first 40 days after he was raised. Mike,
WRONG!
JESUS WAS IN HIS RESURRECTED BODY ONLY FOR A FEW HOURS!
I disagree Charles,I believe the flesh body of Jesus, in which he died and was raised, was transformed into his new spiritual body upon his ascension to heaven………. 40 days after he was raised from the dead.
You have a right to your own understanding as well.
Quote (terraricca @ May 10 2014,19:01) Quote (kerwin @ May 11 2014,00:32)
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
Kerwinthat is a cheap way to pull you out of absolutely nothing ,
Mike is right ,what ever he preach can be supported in scriptures so is what t8 and myself, and i am sure we all look over each other to make sure it stay that way ,because if it would change our preaching would be a vain preaching that does not save life nor our own .
Kerwin
challenge what you think is untrue to you ,but do it with scriptures not opinions ;told you before God does not care for our opinions but his true words he does it is his glory
so if you cannot use the truth of God do not say anything ,
Well said, Pierre.
Kerwin definitely INTERPRETS certain scriptural teachings differently than I (and most people) do. But that doesn't mean MY interpretations are not “based on the word of God” – as I (and most people) understand it.
Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,22:31) Wakeup, John is saying that believers should have confidence they will be like Jesus because the will see him as he is at that time. It sounds like the very sight of Jesus will transform them.
Many commentators also understand it that way, Kerwin. They think that the action of seeing Jesus as he is is what will transform them into being as he is.I don't hold that opinion myself.
But since you do, the fact that those people WEREN'T transformed at all, when Jesus was on earth for that 40 days, should be enough to tell you that those people HADN'T YET “seen him as he is”.
Agreed?
Quote (carmel @ May 11 2014,01:01) WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?
Yes.Just like he and Peter were both in the state of a man when they walked on water.
The fact that God can cause Jesus to enter a locked room doesn't prove he wasn't a man at that time, Charles. God has caused many men in scripture to do things men can't normally do.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Mike, WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?[/b]
Yes.
Just like he and Peter were both in the state of a man when they walked on water.
The fact that God can cause Jesus to enter a locked room doesn't prove he wasn't a man at that time, Charles. God has caused many men in scripture to do things men can't normally do.
Mike,
WHY GOD DIDN'T DO IT ALSO WHEN JESUS RESURRECTED, BUT INSTEAD HE SEND AN ANGEL TO SHIFT THE STONE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 12 2014,03:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2014,06:16) Quote Mike, WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?[/b]
Yes.
Just like he and Peter were both in the state of a man when they walked on water.
The fact that God can cause Jesus to enter a locked room doesn't prove he wasn't a man at that time, Charles. God has caused many men in scripture to do things men can't normally do.
Mike,
WHY GOD DIDN'T DO IT ALSO WHEN JESUS RESURRECTED, BUT INSTEAD HE SEND AN ANGEL TO SHIFT THE STONE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charleswhat do the scriptures says about the son
that the son will be resurrected and bring back to life through the powers of his God not through his own power ,that is exactly what happen God as send his angels to bring about the fulfillment of what he promised his son ,because Christ really died ,but he put all his trust in his father for his resurrection ,
he showed the way just as anyone of us that says he follow Christ should do and hope fore it
Quote (carmel @ May 12 2014,08:19) mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Mike, WAS JESUS IN THE SAME STATE OF A MAN, WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND SAT IN THE MIDST OF HIS APOSTLES?[/b]
Yes.
Just like he and Peter were both in the state of a man when they walked on water.
The fact that God can cause Jesus to enter a locked room doesn't prove he wasn't a man at that time, Charles. God has caused many men in scripture to do things men can't normally do.
Mike,
WHY GOD DIDN'T DO IT ALSO WHEN JESUS RESURRECTED, BUT INSTEAD HE SEND AN ANGEL TO SHIFT THE STONE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.Good question.
The answer is because all that has to be written down for us.
If the stones stayed closed and locked; then Mary and others would not have experienced what they saw.
Therefore not written down.
The broken chain lock is evidence.
The stone door open,is evidence.
The cloth left inside is evidence.
The body missing is evidence,for us also.wakeup.
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