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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !
Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,11:46) Hi WU,
You will not be raised in your natural body if you are in Christ.
We do not know what we will be like but we know we will be like him [1jn 3.2]-so he now has a new body too.
Nick.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;
***for we shall see him as he is***.
WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS.
The apostles did not see him as he really is.
So his appearing to the apostle can not be used as proof that he is flesh;because that is not what he is.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,18:36) Hi WU,
We are not going to help you argue against Jesus.
We believe
Nick.State your believe about Jesus.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
You may have missed it but Jesus was raised in his original body to fulfill the sign of Jonah.
To those who would not believe him he showed that flesh body.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,19:26) Hi WU,
You may have missed it but Jesus was raised in his original body to fulfill the sign of Jonah.
To those who would not believe him he showed that flesh body.
Nick.If you are saying that he did it to witness to his brothers that he is the one crucified.
And that was not his true body, than I agree.wakeup.
Hi WU,
The sign of Jonah was of a man who died and came back to life in his flesh body by the power of the Spirit.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,12:37) Quote (jammin @ May 08 2014,11:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2014,20:26) Jammin. 1.Is He God or is He the only Son?
2.Was God crucified or was it His Son?
3.Did God gave His Son, or Himself?
4.Did your God die, and was buried for three days?
5,Who did resurrect Him?If you say God did resurrect Himself; then He did not
really die. He was alive.
6.Then who was sacrificed? Then there was no sacrifice.Can you explain?
wakeup.
1. he is God. he is not God the father but God the only son.
2. not the father but the son
3. God the father gave his God who is also God by nature.
4. the HUMAN nature died but not the nature God.
5 God the father resurrected the human body of the son.
6. the son and not the father.
Let me translate for jammin:1. The Father and Son are BOTH our ONLY God.
2. God WAS crucified.
3. God gave God as a sacrifice.
4. Only the human part of God died.
5. God resurrected God from the dead.
6. God was the sacrifice that God offered on behalf of men.
1. the bible said Christ is God
john 1.18 NIV
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.MIKE said: Christ is not God by nature but a god.
2. The son was crucified and not God the father. God the only son became human just like us.
1 tim 3.16KJV
God was manifest in the flesh
JOHN 1.14
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
john 1.1
The Word was God.mike said: he is not God but a god.
3. God the father gave his son who is also God by nature.
here is your logic mike.
your father is a human but you are not.you are an animal.4. is your human nature eternal? will you never die?
5. God the father resurrected the human body of his Son.
6. The son is just like his father.
He is God just like his father but he became like us. The Word became flesh. john 1.14Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,09:15) Jammin. Quote 1. he is God. he is not God the father but God the only son.
2. not the father but the son
3. God the father gave his God who is also God by nature.
4. the HUMAN nature died but not the nature God.
5 God the father resurrected the human body of the son.
6. the son and not the father.
Back to top1.So you believe in God the father and God the Son,and
obviously also God the HolySpirit.
This only makes us understand,that there are three Gods.
Must not say it that way;because God said: beside me
there is no God nor saviour. I know what you are trying to
convey,but that is only confusing the listeners.
You should follow John's words.He said: THE WORD WAS
WITH GOD;AND THE WORD WAS GOD. FOCUS ON THE
WORD; (WORD).2.You believe the Son Died. I agree.
3.This is where it gets confusing to us.Just repeat what John
said: God gave His only begotten Son to the world.
4.Why dont you make it simple for us,and say; the Son died
and God reurrected His Son.
5.Actually it was His Holy essence(soul) God resurrected.
He was perfect in Holiness; like God.The image of God.
Equal to God. But in obedience to God.
6.The resurrected Son went BACK to where He came from.THe son of God is full human: but with a perfect spirit.
And we also need to reach that perfection, as much as possible.
This is only possible if our sins are blotted out by His mercy.Cheers.
wakeup.
do you have three natures? is your father HUMAN? are not you HUMAN just like your father?
Quote (kerwin @ May 09 2014,09:02) Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,22:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,03:17) Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,20:03) Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,05:25)
Jammin,You seem set on claiming nature is a physical nature and I pointed out it can be a spiritual nature.
The nature of God and the nature of sin are in opposition.
A person who is God in nature does not do the things of the nature of sin and so does not see equality with God as a thing to be grasped but instead makes themselves nothing and takes on the nature of a servant.
you should read the context before making any conclusions. phil 2.6 refers to Christ as being God. his has the nature God. before he became human, he was existing in the form of God.2 pet 1.4 did not say that we were existing in the form of God before we became human.
you are not making any sense
Jammin,The context is having the same mind of Christ.
i will repeat what i said.phil 2.6 talks about Christ who being in the form of God, did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. instead, he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. he became like us…
2pet 1.4 did not say that WE WERE existing in the form of God before we became human. therefore, phil 2.6 has nothing to do with 2 pet 1.4.
that is what you call an ABSURD DOCTRINE.
Jammin,The whole thing is concurrent. It is also a very long sentence that translators punctuate in that way that is agreeable to their personal doctrine.
The Emphatic Diaglott
(Interlinear Text)
1865 by Benjamin WilsonPhi 2:5 This for be desired by you which also in Anointed Jesus,
Phi 2:6 who in a form of God being, not a usurpation meditated the to be like to God,
Phi 2:7 but himself emptied, a form of a slave having taken, in a likeness of men having been formed,
Phi 2:8 and in condition being found as a man; humbled himself, having become obedient till death, of a death even of a cross.The translator was a unitarian and so made choices in translating according to that doctrine. The sentence speaks of Jesus choice as a human that was existing in the form of God choosing to serve at not to elevate himself. He did this by sacrificing himself on the cross. That which was in him when he made that choice and still is in him is what we are to strive to emulate.
if you have the form of MAN, are not you MAN?What is your form/nature?
i believe what is written. i posted word for word in the bible but i noticed from the beggining of this thread that you always gave stories which are not written in the word of God. you are not making any sense.
Jammin,
As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast but my hope is to be be a son of God in which I will exist in the form/nature of God. In this hope I seek to purify myself even as he is pure.
Jammin,
Do you understand this verse?
John 14:9
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
kerwin,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast Kerwin,
DEFINE THE WORD “BEAST”
IN THE ACTUAL SENSE YOU ARE IMPLYING!
BECAUSE GOD NEVER CREATED A BEAST AND PUT HIM IN A GARDEN, AND ALL THE GARDEN, AND ALSO THE WOMAN WERE SUBJECT TO HIM !
WHICH CONTRADICTS YOU THROUGHOUT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,01:35) WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS. The apostles did not see him as he really is.
So his appearing to the apostle can not be used as proof that he is flesh; because that is not what he is.
That is correct, Wakeup.But I would change your last line to:
So his appearing to the apostles can not be used as proof that he is STILL flesh; because that is not what he is ANYMORE.
That makes it more accurate.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,02:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,19:26) Hi WU,
You may have missed it but Jesus was raised in his original body to fulfill the sign of Jonah.
To those who would not believe him he showed that flesh body.
Nick.If you are saying that he did it to witness to his brothers that he is the one crucified.
And that was not his true body, than I agree.wakeup.
That is what Nick is saying, Wakeup.Jesus was raised in the body in which he died. He no longer has that flesh body in which he died. He only had that body for the first 40 days after he was raised.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13) Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.
What? ! ? !Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.
Mike,I realize that is what you think.
I challenge you to PROVE your accusation, Kerwin. If you cannot or will not, then it is a groundless and false accusation.Show me all the things I preach that are NOT “based on the word of God”……. one at a time so I can respond to them.
Mike,I continuously try to show you but you are not yet ready to see. I do not have the power to open the eyes of those who are blind. I can only give warning.
You seem to have certain mental blocks to changing established ideas, perhaps because your feeling of peace and security have become based on those ideas.
Quote (carmel @ May 10 2014,11:56) Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,04:59) Quote As a human being I exist in the form/nature of the beast Kerwin,
DEFINE THE WORD “BEAST”
IN THE ACTUAL SENSE YOU ARE IMPLYING!
BECAUSE GOD NEVER CREATED A BEAST AND PUT HIM IN A GARDEN, AND ALL THE GARDEN, AND ALSO THE WOMAN WERE SUBJECT TO HIM !
WHICH CONTRADICTS YOU THROUGHOUT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,I am playing on the saying “that is the nature of the beast” and I am natural just as a beast is and God created me natural when he created me a living soul. I am also more as I am spiritual as God created man in his image and his likeness.
I am bestial in that I yet sin. God did not created the sin that I do that is my action that result from my lack of full faith in God.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote He only had that body for the first 40 days after he was raised. Mike,
WRONG!
JESUS WAS IN HIS RESURRECTED BODY ONLY FOR A FEW HOURS!
FROM THAT SAME EVENING, JESUS WALKED ON EARTH FOR FORTY DAYS AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON, THAT
HIS GLORIFIED FLESH BODY THE WORD THE SON
INTEGRATED WITH
HIS SOUL THE HOLY SPIRIT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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