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Quote (carmel @ April 17 2014,00:59) THE BEGINNING OF OUR WORLD WHEN THE WORD LEFT THE FATHER TO CREATE ALL! WHEN THE WORD CREATED HIS MOTHER!
WHEN THE WORD LET HIS MOTHER'S WOMB TO BECOME!
THE WORD MADE FLESH
AND
WHEN THE WORD MADE FLESH CLEAVED TO HIS WIFE: AND BECAME ONE FLESH.
AND WHEN THEY BOTH IN ONE FLESH BODY WERE NAKED:
Charles,That whole statement is pure nonsense – starting with the first line.
Deuteronomy 32:6
Is this the way you repay the LORD, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?The Father Himself created us, Charles.
Quote (jammin @ April 17 2014,07:35) mike, if you can give me ANY VERSIONS that say in phil 2.6 that Christ was existing in the form of his own father then you can close the case.
The case has already been closed, jammin.It was closed the minute you refused to answer my question about the SECOND “God” in Phil 2:6.
It was closed the second you were unable to show any other scripture where the word “God” referred to a “species” or “nature”.
And it was closed the second you admitted that the Father was indeed the God OF Jesus.
God Almighty does not have a God of His own, jammin. Therefore, even if you PRETEND that the first “God” in Phil 2:6 refers to a “species”, it would stand to reason that any member of that “species” would not have a God of their own.
So if the “nature of God” includes “all-powerful” – like you've said in the past – then no one who has the “nature of God” would have their own God – because they would be “all-powerful” all by themselves.
You've dug yourself into a pit that you can't get out of. And your refusal to show the scriptures I'm asking for, or answer the questions I'm asking, shows me that you KNOW you're in a pit you can't get out of.
Like I said, CASE CLOSED.
Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2014,11:09) Jammin Quote you will easily detect a false teacher if – he/she CANT read what he/she is saying
– there is no VERSE that will support his/her doctrine
– ALL are stories and not written in the bible.examples of these are:
mike – Christ was existing in the form of his own God
Col 1:15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Good one, Pierre!
I will add this one…………
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being………..See jammin? Col 1:15 teaches that Jesus is the image of HIS OWN God – despite the fact that the exact words “HIS OWN” are not in the text. We don't need those words, since we are smart enough to know that “the invisible God” mentioned is Jesus' own Father and God, Jehovah.
Likewise, Hebrews 1:3 teaches that Jesus is the exact representation of HIS OWN God – even though the words “HIS OWN” aren't in that verse either. We know this because we know the word “God” in that verse refers to Jesus' own Father and God, Jehovah.
Now, take what you've learned from these two scriptures, and go apply that knowledge to Phil 2:6 – which is another verse that speaks about Jesus being a lot like his own God, Jehovah.
Or, keep pretending like you have been doing. Either way, I'm cool with it.
Quote (carmel @ April 17 2014,13:57) For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace. OK MIKE?
SO ONLY THE CHILD WHO WAS BORN IS CALLED THE FATHER OF THE WORLD TO COME! AND ALSO GOD THE MIGHTY!
Charles,Do you believe the Father God Almighty was the CHILD who was born to us? If so, who was the child calling our heavenly Father when that child was on earth? Does God the Father HAVE a Father of His own?
Wakeup, journey and I have a private thread called “Wakeup, journey and mike only”. Read the last two or three pages of that thread to learn about Isaiah 9:6.
Read my posts to Wakeup on that other thread FIRST……… and THEN if you want to discuss your misunderstandings of Isaiah 9:6, I will take you through it.
You cannot comment on that private thread, but you can copy my words from that thread, paste them over here…….. and then comment on those words in this thread.
jammin doesn't mind.
Charles,
Here is the thread I was talking about. Start reading from the second post on page 19.
Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2014,02:22) K Quote I believe Jesus is God by nature Jesus cannot and is not God his father neither by nature or by anything else ;he is godly ,divine,the image ,as the form ,of his father but is not the GOD OF WHICH HE IS THE SON OF;
CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS
T,I think what I said means what I meant it to mean though it is an awkward war of saying but I simply repeated jammon's words. It is my thought that “I believe Jesus is God by nature” means the same as Jesus is the image of God and Jesus exists in the form of God. None of these means Jesus is God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2014,03:21) Hi KW,
They were your words
But you do not understand?
Nick,You were the one that mentioned superior knowledge and I said in answer “I have only the superior knowledge I have been taught …” I assume that is what you speak of. I thought I was being clear in that it means that whatever superior knowledge I might posses came from God. It is self evident for any superior knowledge anyone possess comes from God as he is the only source of it.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2014,09:42) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2014,02:22) K Quote I believe Jesus is God by nature Jesus cannot and is not God his father neither by nature or by anything else ;he is godly ,divine,the image ,as the form ,of his father but is not the GOD OF WHICH HE IS THE SON OF;
CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS
T,I think what I said means what I meant it to mean though it is an awkward war of saying but I simply repeated jammon's words. It is my thought that “I believe Jesus is God by nature” means the same as Jesus is the image of God and Jesus exists in the form of God. None of these means Jesus is God.
Kyou say none means that Jesus is God ;but it is easy from there to assume he is that God of which he is the son
T,
Some seem to do so even though I think it is an absurd jump. A whale is a fish in nature but it is not a fish. Anyone that knows both whales in fish should how I am using nature even if I chose not to add “but it is not a fish”. Some will think I am saying it is a fish even though they know fish and whale have certain things of nature in common.
In Scripture it declares that God made man in his image and yet none think he made man God.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Don't ever forget that OUR God is also JESUS' God, Charles. So unless Jesus is HIS OWN God, he is also not OUR God.
Mike,
HEREUNDER, YOU ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT JESUS RESURRECTED AS MAN!
Quote BUT INSTEAD HE USED THE TERMS WHICH MAKE US AWARE THAT JESUS RESURRECTED AS MAN LIKE HE DIED AS MAN Agreed. I too believe Jesus was resurrected as a human being, with the same exact body in which he died.
NOW READ :
John20:17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
THEREFORE SINCE JESUS RESURRECTED AS MAN, IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO CALL HIM FATHER NO!
BUT IT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE THAT SINCE JESUS DECLARED:
I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
THEREFORE HE IS NO LONGER IN THAT HUMAN STATE HE WAS RESURRECTED IN,
BUT ASCENDED INTO BOTH IN THE STATE OF HIS FATHER'S SPIRIT,
AND ALSO IN THE STATE OF OUR FATHER 'S FLESH WHICH HE ALWAYS OWNED!
SO HE IS NO LONGER A SON OF GOD, BUT HE IS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST THE REASON THAT THE FATHER SENT TO THIS WORLD!
NOW MIKE ANSWER:
DOES GOD ALMIGHTY HAS DAUGHTERS?
OR
DOES GOD ALMIGHTY HAS CHILDREN?
ONLY SCRIPTURES PLEASE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Do you believe the Father God Almighty was the CHILD who was born to us? If so, who was the child calling our heavenly Father when that child was on earth? Does God the Father HAVE a Father of His own? Mike,
SCRIPTURE ONLY SAYS:
A CHILD IS BORN TO US,
AND THE WAY THIS CHILD WAS BORN, WAS DEFINITELY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SPERM, AND WITHOUT OVUM!
SINCE HIS FATHER IS A SPIRIT,!
IN FACT HE DIDN'T EVEN NEED A WOMAN, SINCE HE HIMSELF CREATED HER!
HE DID SO ONLY TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE US, AND ALSO IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS FATHER, ONCE HE BECAME A CHILD!
SO AGAIN WHAT APPLIES TO HUMANS DOES NOT APPLY TO GOD, AND HIS PERSONAL ENTITIES!
THE FACT THAT JESUS CALLED GOD HIS FATHER,
SCRIPTURE IS ALSO CLEAR THAT
NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER BUT THE SON,AND SO ON……………
SO AGAIN JESUS CALLED GOD HIS FATHER, BUT HE IS NOT A FATHER IN OUR TERMS!
ONLY JESUS IS FATHER IN OUR TERMS, SINCE ONLY HIM CAME ON EARTH, AND SO ON
AND ONLY THROUGH JESUS, GOD ALMIGHTY IS OUR FATHER!
GOD ALMIGHTY NEVER HAD CHILDREN!
BUT SONS ONLY!
SPIRITS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2014,09:42) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2014,02:22) K Quote I believe Jesus is God by nature Jesus cannot and is not God his father neither by nature or by anything else ;he is godly ,divine,the image ,as the form ,of his father but is not the GOD OF WHICH HE IS THE SON OF;
CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS
T,I think what I said means what I meant it to mean though it is an awkward war of saying but I simply repeated jammon's words. It is my thought that “I believe Jesus is God by nature” means the same as Jesus is the image of God and Jesus exists in the form of God. None of these means Jesus is God.
T,I believe a better example is I believe Will is a sheep by nature. The by nature is speaking of Will's sheep like actions.
Nick,
I know Satan is the master of deceptions and all maliciousness but God is known for secret knowledge as Scripture attests. I am thinking you mean it in a Gnostic manner but I do not know what the difference is accept God's knowledge is based on his principles and other knowledge is based on worldly principles.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2014,10:18) T, Some seem to do so even though I think it is an absurd jump. A whale is a fish in nature but it is not a fish. Anyone that knows both whales in fish should how I am using nature even if I chose not to add “but it is not a fish”. Some will think I am saying it is a fish even though they know fish and whale have certain things of nature in common.
In Scripture it declares that God made man in his image and yet none think he made man God.
kEXAMPLE ADAM IS A MAN ,EVE IS A FEMALE MAN BUT IS NOT ADAM ,SAME NATURE ,HUMAN, BUT UNDER NO CONDITION THE SAME
T,
Good point! The gender part of their nature is omitted as it is not the way they are the same nature.
Hi KW.
Gen 3
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
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