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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,16:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2014,20:18) Hi MB
You claim
“Yet you insist there literally exists only ONE God, Nick. “Where?
Read the scripture againFOR US
Oh, I see. So then you agree that, LITERALLY SPEAKING, there are indeed other gods besides Jehovah, right?A “YES” or “NO” will suffice.
Nick,You either agree that there LITERALLY exists only ONE god, period…….. or you agree that, LITERALLY SPEAKING, there exist other gods.
Which one is it?
Nick and Wakeup,
I have also not forgotten our discussion from yesterday – although I'm sure you guys wish I would.
Here are the facts of the matter:
1. Jesus IS called a god – BY Jehovah Himself – in at least TWO different scriptures.
2. Jesus is NOT the very God who anointed him with the oil of gladness, and set him above his companions.
Neither of you can refute either of these two SCRIPTURAL teachings. And that means that Jesus is indeed a god who is NOT Jehovah, the MOST HIGH God.
Can you refute the words I just posted? If so, do so. If not, then please be humble enough to acknowledge it.
Hi MB,
Listen to scripture
What do you not understand from 1 Cor 8?
If you cannot receive from scripture we can add nothing that useful.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2014,10:31) Hi MB,
Listen to scripture
What do you not understand from 1 Cor 8?
If you cannot receive from scripture we can add nothing that useful.
NickYou can't even give a scripture properly?
1 Cor 8 ?
1 Corinth chapter 8, if so what verse?
or Corinth 1:8 ?
Which one is it.
What's your point if we cant find it?Why don't you quote it, then we can all see.
If you want to teach us something,
then be clear.Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote If jesus went to hell and preached the gospel;in that instant,
then he is not really dead, is He?Wakeup,
PLEASE READ AGAIN MY POST SO YOU COULD DISCERN THE TRUTH!
THE WORD MADE FLESH,
JESUS' SOUL, SO NOT JESUS' BODY! OK?
EX HOLY SPIRIT, VERY VITAL THIS! BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS GOD
GLORIFIED FIRST AND ACQUIRED JESUS' BODY IN THE SAME INSTANT JESUS DIED HIS DEATH, THE BODY ONLY
WENT TO HELL AND PREACHED THE GOSPEL!
MY QUESTION IS!
WHO WENT TO HELL, THEN?THE WORD
OR
THE WORD MADE FLESH?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup.
ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE
IN THE PRECEDING VERSE WHICH YOU LEFT OUT I SAID:
THE WORD
WAS MADE FLESH! JESUS' BODY, ONLY
BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH MARY,
AS JESUS' SOUL OK?
SO THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JESUS' SOUL SINCE HE ENTERED MARY,
AND BUILT JESUS'BODY FOR HIMSELF TO BE THE FATHER'S ABODE! OK SO THE HOLY SPIRIT, WAS ACTUALLY THE FATHER'S ABODE, NOT JESUS'BODY! OK?
THE FACT THAT I SAID IT IS VITAL BECAUSE SINCE JESUS' SOUL WAS ALSO THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT ONCE THE FATHER WAS IN JESUS' SOUL HE ALSO ACQUIRED JESUS' HUMAN ATTRIBUTE AND RESTORED THEM IN JESUS' SOUL, THE EX HOLY SPIRIT, FOR HIMSELF TO OWN WHEN HE EVENTUALLY GOES TO HEAVEN !
Quote Scripture says that He was resurrected the third day,
not before. After His resurrection; He went and preached
to the angels in prison.AGAIN:
I SAID:
THE WORD MADE FLESH, JESUS' BODY,
AFTER THREE DAYS GLORIFIED AND RESTORED HIS OWN BODY AND RESURRECTED!
NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY THE WORD AS I WROTE IN THE PREVIOUS POST, OBVIOUS SINCE HE RESURRECTED BUT THE WORD MADE FLESH! OK
THIS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS BODY ACQUIRED HIS SPIRITUAL BODY , WHICH HE HIMSELF BUILT, OR TRANSFORMED, THROUGH HIS OWN SINLESS HOLY LIFE!
SO:
THE EX HOLY SPIRIT JESUS' SOUL ACQUIRED THE FLESH BODY THROUGH JESUS HOLY LIFE, AND IN THE SAME INSTANT THAT JESUS' BODY DIED,
HE, TRANSFORMED IN JESUS ' FLESH BODY AS WELL!
THEREFORE
BOTH GOD IN THE EX HOLY SPIRIT
AND JESUS CHRIST IN THE EX JESUS'BODY!
WENT TO HELL, TOOK SATANA WITH HIM AS PROOF THAT HE IS GOD IN THE TRUTH, NOT SATAN AS UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME SATAN BELIEVED!
SINCE HE IS IN FIRE IN BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT! NOT SATANA!
BOTH GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
JESUS' BODY FROM THE OTHER HAND HAD TO WAIT FOR THREE DAYS IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE THE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!
THEN, ON THE THIRD NIGHT:
BOTH JESUS' SOUL FROM HELL
AND
JESUS' BODY FROM THE GRAVE
UNITED, INTEGRATED AS ONE GLORIFIED BODY AS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,11:33) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2014,06:20) i did not say that jesus was not God on earth.
Of course you did, jammin.You told me that God doesn't have any limitations, and that anyone who DOES have limitations is not God.
Then you told me that Jesus DID have limitations on earth.
So all I have to do is add the things YOU SAID together to come up with a conclusion that Jesus was NOT God on earth.
See? YOU are the one who told me this with your own words. Thanks.
do you understand english?i said i am referring to the HUMAN nature of Christ.
do you understand that? i think you need a doctor and ask what is the best vitamin for your brain.Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2014,18:48) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2014,18:24) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2014,03:00)
Jammin,It is broken because it is full of contradictions. No matter how trinitarians try to explain it the cannot justify God being tempted like us under any circumstances.
Their attempt to justify it by claiming Jesus is 100% man at the same time he is 100% God is a malicious joke. That claim is broken because anyone knows a creature cannot be 100% human and 100% canine at the same time. In other words it must be excepted on blind faith sin “human” wisdom declares it a broken doctrine.
The claim that “human” wisdom could not comprehend the Sadducee doctrine there is no resurrection of the dead when Jesus use implications of a Scriptural passage to prove otherwise. David Koresh could have used it to answer those that declared his doctrine that he could have sex with the wives of other men was not Scriptural. It is a fallback position of a flawed teaching.
there was no contradictions to the doctrine that i have posted here. you only create confusions.Christ is the Word of God john 1.1
rev 19.13
do you see contradictions there? i dont think so. but because you have the doctrine of men, you will think that they do have contradictions.
you do not know how to understand the context of the bible.
this topic should be closed. it is more than 1000 pages and it is very clear that Christ is the Word of God in john 1.1
it is a title of Christ. he is the Word of God and he has the same nature just like his father. he is God.
Jammin.I see the reasoning is flawed as the conclusion does not follow from the premises.
In math it is like saying x=1 at an earlier period of time based on the fact x=1 at a later period of time. There is always the chance the value of x was changed to 1 at some between the two periods of time.
It is not a contradiction though you do not have enough evidence to support your conclusion.
You error a second time by trying to use your poorly reasoned conclusion to unintentionally imply Scripture is broken and so it is useless to try to test it by reason.
really?? do you mean JOHN was lying when he told that Christ is the Word of God? was john lying when he said that the Word of God is a title of Christ?you have to make your own version to support your doctrine.
Quote (carmel @ April 02 2014,18:38) Wakeup. ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE
IN THE PRECEDING VERSE WHICH YOU LEFT OUT I SAID:
THE WORD
WAS MADE FLESH! JESUS' BODY, ONLY
BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH MARY,
AS JESUS' SOUL OK?
SO THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JESUS' SOUL SINCE HE ENTERED MARY,
AND BUILT JESUS'BODY FOR HIMSELF TO BE THE FATHER'S ABODE! OK SO THE HOLY SPIRIT, WAS ACTUALLY THE FATHER'S ABODE, NOT JESUS'BODY! OK?
THE FACT THAT I SAID IT IS VITAL BECAUSE SINCE JESUS' SOUL WAS ALSO THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT ONCE THE FATHER WAS IN JESUS' SOUL HE ALSO ACQUIRED JESUS' HUMAN ATTRIBUTE AND RESTORED THEM IN JESUS' SOUL, THE EX HOLY SPIRIT, FOR HIMSELF TO OWN WHEN HE EVENTUALLY GOES TO HEAVEN !
Quote Scripture says that He was resurrected the third day,
not before. After His resurrection; He went and preached
to the angels in prison.AGAIN:
I SAID:
THE WORD MADE FLESH, JESUS' BODY,
AFTER THREE DAYS GLORIFIED AND RESTORED HIS OWN BODY AND RESURRECTED!
NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY THE WORD AS I WROTE IN THE PREVIOUS POST, OBVIOUS SINCE HE RESURRECTED BUT THE WORD MADE FLESH! OK
THIS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS BODY ACQUIRED HIS SPIRITUAL BODY , WHICH HE HIMSELF BUILT, OR TRANSFORMED, THROUGH HIS OWN SINLESS HOLY LIFE!
SO:
THE EX HOLY SPIRIT JESUS' SOUL ACQUIRED THE FLESH BODY THROUGH JESUS HOLY LIFE, AND IN THE SAME INSTANT THAT JESUS' BODY DIED,
HE, TRANSFORMED IN JESUS ' FLESH BODY AS WELL!
THEREFORE
BOTH GOD IN THE EX HOLY SPIRIT
AND JESUS CHRIST IN THE EX JESUS'BODY!
WENT TO HELL, TOOK SATANA WITH HIM AS PROOF THAT HE IS GOD IN THE TRUTH, NOT SATAN AS UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME SATAN BELIEVED!
SINCE HE IS IN FIRE IN BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT! NOT SATANA!
BOTH GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
JESUS' BODY FROM THE OTHER HAND HAD TO WAIT FOR THREE DAYS IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE THE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!
THEN, ON THE THIRD NIGHT:
BOTH JESUS' SOUL FROM HELL
AND
JESUS' BODY FROM THE GRAVE
UNITED, INTEGRATED AS ONE GLORIFIED BODY AS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.Quote SO THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JESUS' SOUL SINCE HE ENTERED MARY, The Holy spirit is not a soul.
What about Jesus's own soul?
Every person has not the Holy spirit,but his own soul.Jesus has his own soul.(into thy hands I commend my spirit).The rest of your post is like spaghetti on a plate.
wakeup.
Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Holy spirit is not a soul. Wakeup,
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER!
THE FATHER ABIDES ONLY WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT!
THEREFORE JESUS' SOUL IS FOR SURE THE HOLY SPIRIT, SINCE THE FATHER ABIDED IN JESUS!
ALSO ALL SPIRITS WHICH ARE USED BY THE FATHER, FOR HIS PERSONAL USE ARE HOLY SPIRITS, AND REMAIN HOLY SPIRITS!
JESUS'S SPIRIT, THE SON, THE WORD IS ALSO A HOLY SPIRIT!
THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JESUS'SOUL FOR SURE SINCE IT ENTERED MARY, AND CONCEIVED, IN OUR TERMS ONLY,
MARY!
MORE SPAGHETTI FOR YOU TO CHEW!
OUR SOUL BUILT OUR BODY, DO YOU KNOW THAT
OUR SOUL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BODY!
OUR SOUL THROUGH NATURE
EX EVIL SPIRIT,
ENTERS THROUGH THE SPERM IN OUR MOTHER'S WOMB AND CONCEIVE OUR MOTHER'S OVUM!
NOW WITHIN OUR SOUL, ABIDES THE WORD IT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!REV 13:8
FOR US THESE THINGS ARE NOT VISIBLE, AND SCIENCE COULD ONLY SEE THE EFFECT THROUGH THE VISIBLE STUFF!
Quote (into thy hands I commend my spirit). Wakeup,
tell me now:
WHERE JESUS' SPIRIT WAS?
THE ANSWER IS IN THIS POST, SO READ AND REFLECT!
Quote Every person has not the Holy spirit,but his own soul. THANK YOU! THAT IS CHILDISH!
WE ALL ARE EX LUCIFER'S ANGELS SUBSTANCE!
WE ALL ARE DEAD CREATURES YET! SPIRITUALLY!
WE ALL ARE SINFUL CREATURES!
WE COME BACK TO LIFE WHEN OUR BODY DIES,
THE FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SOUL! GOD'S INTERESTS, WHAT JESUS DIED FOR!
AND ONLY IF WE LIVE ACCORDING TO THE GOSPEL!
SO DON'T COMPARE JESUS WITH US!
HE WAS THROUGHOUT FROM HEAVEN, HE HAS NOTHING OF EARTH!
WE ARE FROM HELL!
ALSO:
AGAIN,HERE'S MORE SPAGHETTI FOR YOU!
THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS ALSO MARY'S SPIRIT!
THAT MEANS THAT THE FATHER EMANATED A SPIRIT AND GAVE IT TO MARY WITHIN HER SOUL,
AND HER SOUL WAS THE WORDWHICH ENTERED IN HER MOTHER'S WOMB!SO MARY'S SOUL WAS THE WORD
NOW UNLESS YOU PROVE AND CONTRADICT ME, WORD BY WORD,
NOT NONSENSE SPAGHETTI!
MY POST STANDS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote our claim is that because God NEEDED to talk to His creations, He NEEDED a mediator to do so. Mike,
NO!
GOD CAN TALK EVEN TO A CHIMPANZEE! NEVER MIND MAN!
GOD NEEDED A MEDIATOR IN ORDER TO CREATE THROUGH HIM,
HE ALSO NEEDED A MEDIATOR TO REDEEM WHAT EVER HE CREATE THROUGH HIM!
CLEAR?
GOD THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO CREATE DIRECTLY, WHILE BEING WITHIN HIS CREATURES!
SINCE AS SOON AS THEY HAVE THE LEAST FEELING OF SIN HE ERADICATES THEM!
THE FATHER IS THE LIFE SOURCE, AND UNLESS HE IS WITHIN HIS CREATURES, THEY SIMPLY WON'T EXIST, SO HE ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS THE WORD BY ABIDING IN THE WORD
AND LIKE THAT HE WON'T BE DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO HIS CREATURES, BUT THROUGH THE WORD
Hi MB.
” Jesus IS called a god – BY Jehovah Himself – in at least TWO different scriptures.”1Cor8.5
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)Nothing changes.
For us there is ONE GODQuote (jammin @ April 02 2014,07:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,11:33) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2014,06:20) i did not say that jesus was not God on earth.
Of course you did, jammin.You told me that God doesn't have any limitations, and that anyone who DOES have limitations is not God.
Then you told me that Jesus DID have limitations on earth.
So all I have to do is add the things YOU SAID together to come up with a conclusion that Jesus was NOT God on earth.
See? YOU are the one who told me this with your own words. Thanks.
do you understand english?i said i am referring to the HUMAN nature of Christ.
do you understand that? i think you need a doctor and ask what is the best vitamin for your brain.
I guess I'm not seeing your point, jammin.If Jesus had human nature while he was on earth, then Jesus had limitations while he was on earth, right?
And what did YOU tell me about limitations? Didn't YOU tell me that if one has limitations, that one is not God?
You can't say that Jesus was God on earth AND ALSO had limitations because of his flesh nature, right?
Because if he truly was God on earth, then there would be no limitations, right?
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. Please try again.
Quote (carmel @ April 02 2014,13:16) GOD NEEDED A MEDIATOR IN ORDER TO CREATE THROUGH HIM, HE ALSO NEEDED A MEDIATOR TO REDEEM WHAT EVER HE CREATE THROUGH HIM!
Charles,As long as you keep saying “God NEEDED”, I will disagree with you. God didn't, doesn't, and never will “NEED” anyone or anything.
You do realize that your own words prove that the “mediator” is not “God Himself”, right?
Also, how did that mediator come to be? If the mediator is not “God Himself”, then the mediator had a beginning at some point, right?
Nick,
These are the points to which I am awaiting answers from you.
You either agree that there LITERALLY exists only ONE god, period…….. or you agree that, LITERALLY SPEAKING, there exist other gods.
Which one is it?
1. Jesus IS called a god – BY Jehovah Himself – in at least TWO different scriptures.
2. Jesus is NOT the very God who anointed him with the oil of gladness, and set him above his companions.
And that means that Jesus is indeed a god who is NOT Jehovah, the MOST HIGH God.
Can you refute the words I just posted? If so, do so. If not, then please be humble enough to acknowledge it.
I've supersized the points in question, so you can see them easily.
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