JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi GB
The seven spirits are 7 angels not 7 intellects in the mind of God
You made that up
Heb 1

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:

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God is capable of speaking directly to his human creations.

Mike,

WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH

GOD LIVING WITHIN HIS CREATURES?

GOD NEITHER COULD BE SEEN BY HIS HUMAN CREATURES, NOR COULD LIVE WITHIN HUMAN CREATURES WITHOUT A MEDIATOR SPIRIT THE WORD

SO IT IS THROUGH THE WORD THAT GOD LIVES WITHIN YOU!

SO YES GOD NEEDED A MEDIATOR, HE HIMSELF IN HIS OWN SPIRIT, THE WORD

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[journey42]

2014,02:06]Journey42,,,,,,,,,You have posted it right brother, We have only ONE God and there is not other for us (true believer). God's words come from Him , Just as our words come from us also, God and his word are one and the same.

[journey42]

I meant to say,
Thanks Gene!

[journey42]

Quote (carmel @ April 01 2014,06:05)

Mike, WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH GOD LIVING WITHIN HIS CREATURES? GOD NEITHER COULD BE SEEN BY HIS HUMAN CREATURES, NOR COULD LIVE WITHIN HUMAN CREATURES WITHOUT A MEDIATOR SPIRIT THE WORD SO IT IS THROUGH THE WORD THAT GOD LIVES WITHIN YOU! SO YES GOD NEEDED A MEDIATOR, HE HIMSELF IN HIS OWN SPIRIT, THE WORD Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Well spoken Charles.

[carmel]

nick wrote:

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The seven spirits are 7 angels

Nick,

THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD ARE BOTH SEVEN ATTRIBUTES OF GOD, AND THE FIRST SEVEN ARCHANGELS OF GOD WHICH CORRESPOND TO

LOVE  WISDOM VOLITION   ORDEREARNESTNESSPATIENCE MERCY

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

journey42,April wrote:

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Well spoken Charles.

J42,

THANKS!

FOR GOD'S GLORY!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[NickHassan]

Hi C,
So you say

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,23:21)

Hi MB, Should we comb the bible looking for gods when we have one God?

Nick,

Gods are mentioned all throughout the scriptures. The Most High of them all is Jehovah. But Jehovah couldn't possibly be the MOST HIGH god if there didn't exist other less high gods as well.

Jehovah couldn't be the God OF gods if there existed no other gods for Him to be the God OF.

So there is no need to “comb through the scriptures”, Nick. The many other gods are right there in the open for all of us to read about. So why, I wonder, do so few people actually BELIEVE what they read in the Bible?

Now, since I'm trying to also help journey, Wakeup, and Gene with this, I will post this last part to all four of you……….

Hebrews 1 KJV
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1. Who is the “Son” that is referred to as “O God” in verse 8?

2. Who does the phrase “thy God” refer to in verse 9?

Nick? Wakeup? journey? Gene?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Heb 1
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Jesus spoke of Him in Jn 20 God, thy God “refers to the God of Jesus
Jn 20
17
, ‘…I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’

[mikeboll64]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 31 2014,03:50)

Hi Mike John knew exactly what he was writing.  He wrote and the Word was God, because their is only ONE God, not two or three or four.

journey,

Please directly answer the two questions in my last post.

For this post, I will try to help you out a little more.

First, the Greek manuscripts were either written in ALL capital letters, or ALL lowercase letters.  They did not mix upper and lower case letters in the Greek manuscripts – like we do in English.  So there is no way in hell that any Greek mss says, “and the word was God”.

What the Greek mss say is, “and the logos was with the god, and the logos was god“

Now, do you notice that the “god” in the first part I quoted has the definite article “THE” before it?  That is how John told us that the Word was with THE god – and not just any old god.  

1.  Do you understand that John did the Greek language version of capitalizing the “G” in that first “god” by including the definite article “THE” in front of the word “god”?  Can you see this?  YES or NO?

2.  Do you also notice that John DIDN'T include that definite article “THE” in front of the second “god” mentioned?  YES or NO?

So basically, John capped the “G” in the first “God” mentioned, but purposely DIDN'T cap the “g” in the second “god” mentioned.

Are you able to see this with your own eyes?  (You can see the same thing in that source you posted for me in red.)

So that is the English equivalent of saying, “the Word was with God, and the Word was god”.  See?  Lowercase on the last “god”, because John didn't call that last god “THE god” – like he called the first god.

Before going on, I'd like to know if you're with me so far.  I will wait for a response from you.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2014,18:20)

Hi MB, Heb 1 “ Jesus spoke of Him in Jn 20 God, thy God “refers to the God of Jesus Jn 20 17 , ‘…I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’

Very good, Nick! You get a gold star!

You are correct that “thy God” refers to the God OF Jesus.

Now, who does the phrase “O God” refer to in verse 8? Does that one also refer to the God OF Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Our God can speak of others as gods.
But you should not assume that proves anything and you should do the same

For us there is one God

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 31 2014,06:20)

i did not say that jesus was not God on earth.

Of course you did, jammin.

You told me that God doesn't have any limitations, and that anyone who DOES have limitations is not God.

Then you told me that Jesus DID have limitations on earth.

So all I have to do is add the things YOU SAID together to come up with a conclusion that Jesus was NOT God on earth.

See? YOU are the one who told me this with your own words. Thanks.

[Wakeup]

MikeB.

God was speaking to the being next to him.
Calling him GOD. Here is the mystery.
The being next to Him is also *his own* Word.
His Word is worshipped as God,which also is the Word of God Himself. That always obeyed His God.What ever God do he does.

We know there is only one true God.
The world has many so called gods.
The true God is above all those so called gods.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2014,18:30)

Hi MB, Our God can speak of others as gods.

I can glean from your answer that you know the “O God” in verse 8 is NOT the God OF Jesus.

So who is it then?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2014,18:38)

MikeB. God was speaking to the being next to him. Calling him GOD.

So God (Jehovah) was not calling HIMSELF “O God”, but instead calling a DIFFERENT BEING “O God”?  

Is that correct, Wakeup?  Who is this DIFFERENT BEING?  What's his NAME?

[Wakeup]

Mike b.

Your word is yours alone Mike.
If you can give him a shape He is still your word.
And He will speak of you.
You are one.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Mar. 31 2014,13:05)

GOD NEITHER COULD BE SEEN BY HIS HUMAN CREATURES, NOR COULD LIVE WITHIN HUMAN CREATURES WITHOUT A MEDIATOR SPIRIT THE WORD SO IT IS THROUGH THE WORD THAT GOD LIVES WITHIN YOU!

So then “The Word” isn't actually “God Himself”, right Charles?

If “God” cannot be seen by human creatures, then the mediator God sent must not actually be God Himself.  Because if the mediator was God Himself, then we humans would have never been able to see him, right?

You're slowly getting there, Charles.  I like it when the discussion finally leads the person who's disagreeing with scriptural truth to say that scriptural truth out of their own mouth.

Like jammin just did recently.  

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
As Heb 1 says it is spoken to the SON of God.
Sonship is of the Spirit so not relating to any pre existant son.

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