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Quote (carmel @ Mar. 02 2014,10:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2014,03:03) Since the Deity established David, does that make David the Deity? Is David “God” because “God” is the one who established him? Mike,
DAVID WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN ORDINARY CREATURE ON EARTH,
NOT AS THE WORD MADE FLESH ON EARTH
It doesn't really matter WHAT was established by the other one, Charles. The fact that one person established another person means that the established person cannot possibly BE the very person who established him.Hi ,
Jesus became the anointed Jesus at the Jordan-Jesus Christ.
He was fused eternally with the Spirit of God unto eternal life.He did not quench the Spirit [1thess 5.19]or seek vainglory as God.
Instead he humbly submitted and let the Spirit lead and use him.[phil 2]
It cost him everything human.God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.[2cor 5.19]
God can also be at work in us to will and to do.[phil2]But God does this by His Spirit.
God IS in heavenmikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Now, the Word is once again at God's right hand in heaven. Mike,
NOT QUITE CORRECT!
So shall my word be, which
SHALL GO FORTH FROM MY MOUTH:
SO THE WORD LEFT THE FATHER
it shall NOT RETURN TO ME VOID,
THEREFORE IT SHALL NOT RETURN AS THE WORD OK? SO ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THERE'S NOT THE WORD
but it shall do whatsoever I please,
THEREFORE THE WORD AFTER ALL WAS CREATED ON EARTH BY HIM, WAS MADE FLESH, IN MARY FIRST, AS MARY'S SOUL, THEN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS' SOUL, THE WORD WAS BORN AS THE FLESH BODY ONLY OF JESUS,
SO NO LONGER THE WORD, WHICH LEFT THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT,ESTABLISHED BY THE DEITY IN ALL THE DEITY'S POWER, SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER TO CREATE ALL WITH! OK?
and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
THEREFORE NOTICE, NOT THE WORD,
BUT THE WORD MADE FLESH , DIED HIS DEATH, AND GLORIFIED, AS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD(THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT) JESUS' SOUL
AND JESUS CHRIST 'S BODY
UNITED AS ONE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THERE'S NOT THE WORD MIKE,
BUT
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT! IN COMMAND OF THE ENTIRE CREATION!
HEIR OF ALL THINGS!
IN ONE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
AND ON EARTH THERE'S NO GREATER NAME THAN
JESUS CHRIST AND UNLESS YOU MIKE REFER TO HIM, THE FATHER WOULD IGNORE YOU COMPLETELY!
UNDERSTAND THIS MIKE, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE IN TROUBLE!
WHEN YOU DIE IN YOUR FLESH BODY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
You share your thoughts with us adding a few verses that seem to agree with you.
But we have a Lord.Quote (carmel @ Mar. 02 2014,10:44) mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Now, the Word is once again at God's right hand in heaven. Mike,
NOT QUITE CORRECT!
So shall my word be, which
SHALL GO FORTH FROM MY MOUTH:
SO THE WORD LEFT THE FATHER
it shall NOT RETURN TO ME VOID,
THEREFORE IT SHALL NOT RETURN AS THE WORD OK?
Charles,That doesn't even make sense. If God is saying that HIS WORD will not return to Him void, then it is indeed HIS WORD that is metaphorically returning to Him.
But like you so aptly pointed out to Wakeup a while back, we must not confuse the literal words of God with God's main spokesman Jesus Christ, who is metaphorically titled “The Word of God”.
mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Father is also the only true God in the NT as well.
What makes you think things changed?Mike,
WHAT IS THE REASON THAT WE CALL IT THE NEW TESTAMENT?
TELL ME HOW THE FATHER IS ALSO THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN THE NT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote The fact that one person established another person means that the established person cannot possibly BE the very person who established him. Mike,
LET'S REFLECT:
THE SON WAS IN THE FATHER! BEFORE CREATION!
IN ORDER FOR GOD TO CREATE OUR WORLD, THE FATHER CHANGED HIS FUNCTION, AND ENTERED WITHIN THE SON!
ALSO TO FURNISH THE FULL POWER TO THE SON, THE DEITY INSERTED THE HOLY SPIRIT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON, SO ALL THE DEITY WITHIN THE SON!
THEREFORE ALWAYS THE SAME THREE SPIRITS, BUT FUNCTIONED DIFFERENTLY!
SO THE DEITY ESTABLISHED THESE THREE SPIRITS IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE FUNCTION AND CALLED IT THE WORD
THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT ALL IN THE SON!
WHICH MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO FUNCTION EVEN IN SATAN!
SOMETHING WHICH WAS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO ACHIEVE AS HE WAS, BEFORE CREATION!
SO THE SAME DEITY, BUT IN A DIFFERENT FUNCTION!
SO GOD ESTABLISHED HIMSELF IN A DIFFERENT FUNCTION AND OBVIOUS REMAINED THE SAME GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote then it is indeed HIS WORD that is metaphorically returning to Him Mike,
THAT IS A REFERENCE TO THE WORD JESUS' SPIRIT, SINCE HE STATED THAT IT WOULD RETURN TO HIM!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,21:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 28 2014,23:13) Mike, The word has many inherent qualities that God but it does not have the inherent quality of being God.
So then a translation of “and the Word was God“ is not accurate, right? Because like you say, the Word WASN'T actually “God”, right?Instead, the Word was something OTHER THAN “God”, right?
Mike,Yes, I agree with you. Even some Trinitarians say it is used in a qualitative sense and not literal though they contradict them sense when they declare that part of the qualitative sense is that it means being the one God.
God is Love is another phrase just like it, except that if I remember correctly definite articles are used before both God and Love. Even though using logical reasoning the statement can be literal it is not meant literal. I know this using logical reasoning God's spirit is also love. That just creates a conundrum that can be easily resolved by interpreting God is love in a non literal way. Trinitarians seem to resolve similar situations by blaming humanity or crediting the mysteries of God.
Yes, the word is not the God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,21:32) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 01 2014,00:16) Mike, They may not fit but incarnation is derived from the Latin that means “to make into flesh”. So the word made flesh means the word given a body.
Quote The noun incarnation derives from the ecclesiastical Latin verb incarno, itself derived from the prefix in- and ''caro, “flesh”, meaning “to make into flesh” or “to be made flesh”. The verb incarno does not occur in the Latin Bible but the term is drawn from the Gospel of John “et Verbum caro factum est” “and the Word was made flesh” (John 1:14). Quote To give bodily, especially human, form to.
I agree that “the Word was made flesh” means “the Word was given a FLESH body”…… or in other words, “the Word became a flesh being”.The words “made flesh” do not necessarily mean the Word didn't already have a different kind of body BEFORE he was give a flesh one.
But I agree with the gist of what you've posted here.
And the bottom line teaching of what you and your sources have written is that the Word who was with God in the beginning actually BECAME the flesh and blood human being Jesus Christ.
Do you agree with that?
Mike,Yes, I agree that the word that was God in the beginning became the flesh and blood human being Jesus Christ.
I am not saying the word literally became him which may be a point of confusion.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2014,02:42)
There is no teaching that the Word came to be IN Jesus.
Hi Mike, actually there is:“To wit, that GOD was IN Christ,
reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us THE WORD of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:1)“The Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.” (John 12:49)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2014,04:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2014,02:42)
There is no teaching that the Word came to be IN Jesus.
Hi Mike, actually there is:“To wit, that GOD was IN Christ,
reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us THE WORD of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:1)“The Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.” (John 12:49)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edj2Co 5:1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
hi Nick
right you are ; but
Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2014,11:08) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 28 2014,07:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2014,11:08)
Who is The Word?Is he Jesus? Yes.
Is he the very God he was with? No.
yes he is the Word.no because he is not the God in john 1.1 because that is the father.
How many “Gods” do you think there are, jammin?
If “he is not the God in John 1:1” – as you've just said, then what “God” is he, exactly? I thought there was just one Most High God.
As for what you've said about Wallace's conclusion, keep in mind that John didn't say “the Father” in John 1:1. Nor did John say “nature” in 1:1.
All John talked about is “God” and “the Word”. And your scholar sensibly showed us that the way John wrote that verse makes it clear that “the Word” was not “God”.
And there is only ONE “God”, jammin. If the Word is not Him, then the Word must be someone OTHER THAN Him, right?
paul said nature God in phil 2.6i know 1 God the father
i know 1 God the only son.we know that wallace said Christ is the Word in john 1.1 and you agreed but…
did you read the latter part of wallace's statement? he said Christ is God. do you agree?edj is a false prohet. he is using verse with the word “word” and connects it to john 1.1. what a funny doctrine he has. hahahah
mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote So if Lucifer was the first created by God, then wouldn't Lucifer be “the firstborn of every creature”? Wouldn't Lucifer be “the beginning of the creation of God”? Wouldn't Lucifer be the one saying, “God created me as the first of His works”? Mike,
Quote wouldn't Lucifer be “the firstborn of every creature”? PERFERCT MIKE,
IN A PARTICULAR WAY HE WAS! CAN YOU SEE IT?
Quote Wouldn't Lucifer be “the beginning of the creation of God” IN A PARTICULAR WAY YES, HE ALSO WAS!
Quote Wouldn't Lucifer be the one saying, “God created me as the first of His works”? YES AGAIN , IN A PARTICULAR WAY!
I SAID ALL BY HIM, NO?
I SAID:
LUCIFER WAS THE FIRST CREATED BEING!
AND THROUGH HIM GOD CREATED ALL THE HEAVENS!
THEN AFTER THE REBEL, GOD CREATED OUR MATERIAL WORLD ALSO THROUGH HIM HIS SUBSTANCE!
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE REGARDING LUCIFER MIKE?
IF YOU DO, READ EZEKIEL 28:12:14 AND REFLECT PROFOUNDLY, AND YOU'LL DISCOVER LOADS OF TRUTH!
Ooooo! WAIT A BIT I FORGOT, YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM WON'T LET YOU! IT IS TO WEEK TO DISCERN GOD'S WISDOM WITH
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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