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Quote (jammin @ Feb. 28 2014,07:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2014,11:08)
Who is The Word?Is he Jesus? Yes.
Is he the very God he was with? No.
yes he is the Word.no because he is not the God in john 1.1 because that is the father.
How many “Gods” do you think there are, jammin?
If “he is not the God in John 1:1” – as you've just said, then what “God” is he, exactly? I thought there was just one Most High God.
As for what you've said about Wallace's conclusion, keep in mind that John didn't say “the Father” in John 1:1. Nor did John say “nature” in 1:1.
All John talked about is “God” and “the Word”. And your scholar sensibly showed us that the way John wrote that verse makes it clear that “the Word” was not “God”.
And there is only ONE “God”, jammin. If the Word is not Him, then the Word must be someone OTHER THAN Him, right?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 28 2014,12:12) It is not a being in its own right but Jesus is the being who has personalized it since it was made flesh.
So this SPIRIT “word” of God was actually MADE flesh, and when it was, it was Jesus Christ?That sounds about right.
Quote (carmel @ Feb. 28 2014,13:19) GIVE ME ONE PROOF FROM THE OT. THAT GOD THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD?
Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 28 2014,16:17) Instead it is the word was God which is to say is God in nature but not the God.
What does “God in nature” mean, Kerwin? It wasn't actually God Himself, but it WAS God Himself “in nature”?Was Eve “Adam in nature”? I'm trying to find out what you think “God in nature” means.
Quote (carmel @ Feb. 28 2014,14:23) Kerwin, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD!
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD!
THE WORD WAS GOD!
The very statement that the Word was WITH God, but also WAS God, is silly and nonsensical.Quote (carmel @ Feb. 28 2014,14:23) SO THE WORD WAS A SPIRIT BEING WITH THE FULL POWER OF GOD, ESTABLISHED BY THE DEITY………
What tells you the Word had the FULL power of God? Also, are you even aware that by saying the Word had the “power OF God”, you are eliminating the Word from actually BEING God?The same goes with “established BY the Deity”. If he was established BY the Deity, he can't very well BE the Deity who established him.
This is simple common sense, Charles.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2014,17:07) Hi,
Those who saw the anointed Jesus saw the WORD.[1jn1]
So then you agree with Kerwin that the Word actually BECAME the man Jesus Christ? Well done.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2014,16:04) Hi,
The WORD is the Spirit in Jesus the Son of God
So the spirit IN Jesus Christ is the one who rides the white horse in Rev 13? What will Jesus himself be doing while the spirit is riding the horse?Hi,
Jesus became one with the Spirit in God.
Can you separate Jesus from the Spirit now?What God has joined together let no man put asunder.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2014,11:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2014,16:04) Hi,
The WORD is the Spirit in Jesus the Son of God
So the spirit IN Jesus Christ is the one who rides the white horse in Rev 13? What will Jesus himself be doing while the spirit is riding the horse?
Hi MB,
I see no white horse in Rev 13.
There is one in Rev 6 and Rev 19Hi MB,
The white horse in Rev 6 is not Yeshua as the Lamb opens the seals.
Jesus CHRIST, the WORD is shown in Rev 19Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2014,06:20) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 28 2014,16:17) Instead it is the word was God which is to say is God in nature but not the God.
What does “God in nature” mean, Kerwin? It wasn't actually God Himself, but it WAS God Himself “in nature”?Was Eve “Adam in nature”? I'm trying to find out what you think “God in nature” means.
Mike,I thought I explained it good enough but I will try again. The word has many inherent qualities that God but it does not have the inherent quality of being God.
Note: The wording of my answer is inspired by the definitions for character and nature at Merriam-Webster online dictionary.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2014,05:59) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 27 2014,12:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2014,06:02)
Can you find an example of an abstract quality or attribute, like “love”, that has a concrete thing as IT'S own attribute?
Mike,It is done in poetry but I am not sure about normal conversation.
Quote Love is Flesh and Love is Flowers Here is another way of using the same pastern
Quote I give thanks because faith is flesh. Faith is blood. Faith is tears. Faith is the moments in which God has freed me from my fears. Faith is life. Note:poem and Confession
Kerwin,I don't think either of those fit what we're talking about. I wonder if the title of the poem is a typo, since they go on to list the first words of the poem as “Love in flesh………..”.
I wouldn't have a clue what “love is flesh” means.
I can understand “Love is flowers” like I could understand someone poetically saying, “Love is: CHOCOLATE!” Or “Love is: FOOTBALL!”
But I don't think either of those fit our discussion.
As for the confession, I also have no clue what “faith is flesh” would mean – even if used poetically.
But neither of your examples show an abstract thing literally taking attributes of a concrete thing. And isn't your claim that the abstract utterance of God LITERALLY took on the attributes of a flesh person?
Mike,They may not fit but incarnation is derived from the Latin that means “to make into flesh”. So the word made flesh means the word given a body.
Quote The noun incarnation derives from the ecclesiastical Latin verb incarno, itself derived from the prefix in- and ''caro, “flesh”, meaning “to make into flesh” or “to be made flesh”. The verb incarno does not occur in the Latin Bible but the term is drawn from the Gospel of John “et Verbum caro factum est” “and the Word was made flesh” (John 1:14). Quote To give bodily, especially human, form to. Quote God’s love is not an emotion, it extends far beyond a strong feeling. It is so strong it commands an action worthy of its expression. In this case and to our eternal benefit, the action of expression was the personage of Jesus Christ. Love was made flesh and lived among us. While God (as love incarnate) was on the earth 3.5 years, he touched and indentified with the vast scope of humanity represented by the peoples of his earthly era. Though he chastised them severely, he loved even the Pharisees whose hate screamed for his blood. Hi,
Yes God does hide truth from the wise and clever[mt11] those who rely on intellect and logic to understand what is spiritual.kerwin,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I thought I explained it good enough but I will try again. The word has many inherent qualities that God but it does not have the inherent quality of being God. Kerwin,
READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH:
Hebrews 1:1 God, who, at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all, 2In these days hath spoken to us by his Son,
WHOM HE HAD APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS
IT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL: HEIR OF ALL THINGS, INCLUDING THE TITLE OF:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
by whom also he made the world. 3Who being the brightness of his GOD'S glory, and the figure of his GOD'S substance, and upholding all things by the word of his GOD'S power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high. ALMIGHTY GOD
4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they.
HAPPY?
NOW, CONTRADICT THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE WITH ANOTHER SCRIPTURE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2014,14:36) Hi MB,
The white horse in Rev 6 is not Yeshua as the Lamb opens the seals.
Jesus CHRIST, the WORD is shown in Rev 19
Nickhassan.True.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2014,17:18) Hi,
Yes God does hide truth from the wise and clever[mt11] those who rely on intellect and logic to understand what is spiritual.
Nickhassan.True.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2014,12:18) Hi,
Yes God does hide truth from the wise and clever[mt11] those who rely on intellect and logic to understand what is spiritual.
hi NickIsa 5:13 Therefore my people will go into exile
for lack of understanding;
their men of rank will die of hunger
and their masses will be parched with thirst.
Isa 5:14 Therefore the grave enlarges its appetite
and opens its mouth without limit;
into it will descend their nobles and masses
with all their brawlers and revelers.
Isa 5:15 So man will be brought low
and mankind humbled,
the eyes of the arrogant humbled.
Isa 5:16 But the LORD Almighty will be exalted by his justice,
and the holy God will show himself holy by his righteousness.
Isa 5:17 Then sheep will graze as in their own pasture;
lambs will feed among the ruins of the rich.Isa 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit,
and wickedness as with cart ropes,
Isa 5:19 to those who say, “Let God hurry,
let him hasten his work
so we may see it.
Let it approach,
let the plan of the Holy One of Israel come,
so we may know it.”Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.Isa 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.Isa 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks,
Isa 5:23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
but deny justice to the innocent.
Isa 5:24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw
and as dry grass sinks down in the flames,
so their roots will decay
and their flowers blow away like dust;
for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 5:25 Therefore the LORD'S anger burns against his people;
his hand is raised and he strikes them down.it seems what happen in the past will happen again
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